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[SPEAKER_00]: Some of the best insights I've learnt that have really improved and helped my skiing have come from these conversations on chair lifts or in a locker room with another skier.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, the thing with that is not everyone gets to listen to it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: However, today's big-pitchest skiing episode with myself Tom Galley and Damell's A Clay gives you insight into some coaches' minds, our minds.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What we've been thinking about
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[SPEAKER_00]: this past ski season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Dameles is going to share some thoughts around our tone shapes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's found just approaching that and explaining that as the framework to attach all of these other skills upon has really led to people actually having more fun and just a far easier time at understanding some more complex concepts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to hear about Dameles are on that one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now,
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[SPEAKER_00]: myself, I'm going to get into some concepts that I've been trying to get out of my brain into the right words and explain this idea of pushing and pulling on your skis.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so you're going to hear me sort of talk as I sort of struggle to articulate it in the right way and demels a helps, sort of extract exactly what I'm really meaning by this concept, to help people make a far more precise sort of short turns and, you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Really, I'm trying to help people fix chatter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's such a common thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: People are trying to find solutions for it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm doing my best to explain how I reduce that, as well as make some of the best turns I can.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So thanks very much for tuning in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's get into today's episode of the big picture scheme.com.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So another winter season under the belt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Demels where I heard you've had a great one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've seen each other a little bit over the ski season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You've been so busy, lots of travel for both of us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I know a lot of people's thoughts at this time of year move away from skiing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Funnily enough, we both often dive into our own minds and think about, reflect upon the season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: After our podcast episode around Inside Lake Mechanics and that story of your knee being rehabbed and discovering some new insights changing the way you thought about using your inside knee.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We wanted to do another similar episode, and we're wondering what would be a good topic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we've sort of landed on this idea of we each have these coaching themes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's usually change every season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We kind of go, oh, you know what, this is something I'm seeing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a bit like, you know, if you buy a new,
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[SPEAKER_00]: VW car suddenly you see it everywhere.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you have this new theme and you suddenly now see every scare has this issue until you want to coach around it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you're going to quiz me on mine for the season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's start with yours.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What is being your theme?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Where did it start?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why did you choose it?
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[SPEAKER_02]: My thing this season was just this simple concept of turnshap and anyone who skied with me
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[SPEAKER_02]: This season, I've probably got at least a morning on this, so maybe a full day.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I guess I just started a little bit more on an academic level.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know, when you get started as a skin structure, you're sort of teaching a lot of concepts out of the manual, which is normal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, the skin structures, create these, the associations, create these frameworks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we need to learn this like academic information.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, we know that terms need to be round.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And,
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[SPEAKER_02]: I remember when I first started trying to encourage skiers way back, you know, in the beginning of my career, it was more just the lack of the round ten shape was what
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, so, like, okay, so, I mean, imagine trying to say to a child, you know, make you turns around to slow down.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of boring, like most kids are like, I want to go as fast as possible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, I remember the idea myself, okay, I've got to get people to buy into this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What is it?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Why are we doing...
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[SPEAKER_02]: this turn shape thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So then I kind of started with, well, you know, if you if your turns aren't round, I can teach you how to emulate, I can teach you how to edge, but if you're turns aren't round, then you don't have anything to lean against.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're not building up any G forces, but still it kind of have this like
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[SPEAKER_02]: at the buyer level was sort of mediocre because, you know, a lot of the time it didn't have like a warts in it for them kind of take away with it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, okay, here's the skills structure saying, make your toes round because if you don't do it then it's going to be really hard for you to edge an angular.
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[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of people are like, okay, all right, well I'll give it a try, but it doesn't really sound that fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I agree.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like thinking it through now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a bit like most people would come to you with, I want to carve.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to ski this run.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I've thought about it over the years and the way I teach this concept now is to basically say to guests at the start of the day, I'm like, okay, I want to help you guys have way more fun.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The way the, what I love about skiing is stacking my body up against the forces of the term.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It feels like I'm a race car, driving around a track and you get to feel the thrill of building up these forces in your turns.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the way I've described it now, which I think a lot of people really enjoy or they really eager to learn.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They say to them,
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, turn shape is the architecture of good turns.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's the structure of bright skiing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Every single time you go and make a turn, it needs to have this shape.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So you can build up these forces.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And once you've done that, then there'll be a need for you to address keys and to address keys.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You get to activate, we're going to use your ankles, incline out, and all those things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, and then that's that's been the thing that I think I really focused on this year because you know, we ski with a lot of different sort of levels mostly about like really strong parallel skiers and quite often just literally the path they're taking down the mountain is not sufficient for them to really make any movements, you know, again for the forces of the
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, or maybe even give them context of timing and duration, like how long they do something for, like, okay, you're angelate, you do this, you build pressure, but for how long, when,
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[SPEAKER_00]: exactly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It gives you something to actually grasp on to like all what's in this period and yeah we have a lot of really passionate um owners in our community as you know Tom and they're really keen to get there they're skiing going.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I say to people, now it's like, I can't teach you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You can't learn these concepts.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Unless you're skiing down the mountain in rounded arcs.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I love about skiing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I still sort of always bring it back to when Shakespeare's came out and we stopped skiing on straight skis.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All of a sudden, just the tracks in the snow, all around Mount Hullham, where I grew up, we're different.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There were all these little minds everywhere.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And everyone was all of a sudden skiing, a lot more deflection across the hill.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that was really fun.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just the feeling of doing that even on a flat catchback was completely never felt that before really in the straight ski era.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, now that's the journey that I've taken over the years that I take with my clients now to help them realize.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You can say that, okay, we're going to do the box turn.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You go across the hill for two dates down the hill for two weeks, across the hill for two bits.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, great exercise.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But why, you know, why are we doing that?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think it kind of, um, for me that little thought process is really indicative of how I'm developed as a coach going from like book knowledge.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is what you should do and let's not there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You tell people to do it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: versus like, why, like, why actually are we doing it?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is it really just for speak and draw a turn shape?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I wouldn't say that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, like you're back to point about fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I want to try and describe if you maybe even have someone in your mind that you know, you've skied with that you saw and you went turn shape, we got to do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Trying to describe so someone listening could maybe identify
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[SPEAKER_02]: So let's take your classic kind of client who loves to track their skiing with either an app or a sports watch, maybe they've got cover running, something like that, but they can track their kilometers per hour.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think any instructor who is listening to this has had one of those flights and they'll be like, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, 78 kilometers per hour today.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, they're just pinning it to the bottom of the mountain, and that's where they're finding joy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: with their skiing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So let's just take that person.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if they're a bit of a, they're finding that thrill in speed, then we need to try and help them understand the thrill in lateral speed across the hill.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and there's that race car analogy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, just helping them kind of understand that first to the bottom of the hill doesn't really mean a lot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Anyone can just like ski straight and a really moodily long kind of like no turn shape.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you say these people, the feelings they would have there, they feel like they go fast and they're carving perhaps, but there's very much a fast
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a fun part you're missing there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's really having good conversations and asking lots of questions as well to that learner and saying, so let's take that thrill with speed that you have and translate it to going down the hill to this much like safer and more exciting feeling of going across the hill and then that's going to allow you to create higher
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[SPEAKER_02]: really stack your body up against the forces of the turn and get that whipping and then you know obviously they can create better angles with their body and you can take some video and show them literally what they're able to achieve once they're building up those turn forces because once they realise they're not building up any turn forces but just like pinning it to the bottom of the hill they don't have anything to create a great turn with.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Once you're skiing in rounded arcs, you've got the stuff that you need to lean against to create a different type of field sensation in your turns.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The audience say there's another group because there's some technical, technically savvy listeners to the podcast instructors, you know, former races, that's a thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: anything that comes to mind around that type of person to maybe like where you're like, oh, you know what, like they're close, but maybe, yeah, if anyone identify at that level with a maybe something they could feel that there's more to be gained from your take on turn shape architecture.
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[SPEAKER_02]: you mean, um, another subset of clients or who do you think, who do you have?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because I get, uh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm thinking of like the people that instructors at listen, the level threes, tools like the keen people, um, yeah, anything there that you've felt, you had some good breakthroughs explaining some, uh,
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[SPEAKER_02]: definitely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So when I when I actually get into the the guts of how to create that turn shape, especially with your high higher end skiers, it's more a first of all start with just the whole idea of angle of entry to the turn, which creates an equivalent and opposite angle of exit from the turn.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So if you're only pointing your skis, like we'll just say, you know, down the hill,
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[SPEAKER_02]: 20 degrees across the hill, that turn is only ever going to be 20 degrees across the hill in the other way, but if you're entering your turn with a lot more, it's never going to be like a 180 or like a say 90, maybe it's more like 45, then you can start to develop these turn forces because you're entering the turn at a much higher, a much higher angle.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, that's one of the ways, and then I usually get into talking about that transition moment in both the pure carved performance, like how are you actually getting your skis pointing across the hill underneath you, in pure carving, or in steering.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And in my mind, there's a slightly different
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[SPEAKER_02]: that usually involves ankle and knee movements to achieve that turn shape in either of those two main performance types.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you can recall that maybe the last camp or something you did with this as a focus probably was with ski instructor type people what was the
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because when they're watching like, or we're trying to, yeah, kind of, okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So let's let's just stick with with pure carving and sort of I've shared a couple of these insights on some of the other things I've done online, like with carved for example, I don't think a lot about ankle knee rolling at the very beginning of the turn.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm more about, you know, we sort of talk a lot about like, you know,
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[SPEAKER_02]: at the initiation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And whilst I'm saying that there's there's definitely ankle roll in happening and I do feel a sensation that I'm edging my skis from the ground up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What if I'm actually edging my skis from the top down?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because we all know that inclination is the first move into a turn and there's no that's just the whole body tipping in.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then I move the hip inside because that's the big clumsy powerful tune that I want to get
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then I use the ankle knee as the fine shooting, especially through in my mind the last half of the turn.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And this is something I've played around with a lot with my own skiing this year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's using more ankle knee rolling.
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[SPEAKER_02]: through the transition.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm effectively whipping my feet under my center of mass as I move my center of mass over my feet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to show what I show my own people here with this pen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So the let's just say like the lower performance way or like a maybe like a, yeah, it's just sort of low performance ways.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You would finish a turn.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's just say this is the head
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[SPEAKER_02]: old thinking, coaching was more around you're going to finish a turn and you're going to step on that new outside ski and move your center of mass over your feet and that can definitely achieve the goal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: However, in higher in steeper slopes and faster, higher jungle turns, I feel that when I use this
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[SPEAKER_02]: ankle knee move at the end of the turn to get my feet underneath me more to increase my angle of entry into the next turn.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm actually whipping my feet underneath my center of mass and at the same time my head is going over my feet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So two things are happening at once and that then helps me get through perpendicular to the slope.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then you're creating that turn shape as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So you're actually using this move through transition to get the top of the turn shaped a little bit better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That has been one I think really like it's kind of a I guess it's a simple-ish especially for that level of instructor.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a simple-ish kind of cue.
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[SPEAKER_02]: we worked through that, then they start to feel all these different sensations at the top of the turn, like they're really whipping their feet underneath them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's that whole idea of jumping your feet from one set of train tracks to another at the top of a really, you know, so there's a big conversation after that because they've all got a really well-established puzzle of skiing and so then they start feeling in some of these old cues that they may not have fully understood
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[SPEAKER_02]: that tends to help them have like a bit of a penny drop moment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yeah, nice.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So how do you have you ever thought about that before, like on that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, definitely.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Structure of turns, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So one phrase I use is like that if you have
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[SPEAKER_00]: then like you said in the top of the turn you have more space and time so that 45 degree angle you've only got 45 degrees before you hit the four line.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's maybe the equivalent of like a couple of hours on a clock.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Whereas if you finish more across and you've got more hours on the clock hand before you reach down the fall line, to actually do something.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like, if you're just skiing straight fall line, you have no time to go from one side.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're skis to the other.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, for me, I can explain this space.
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[SPEAKER_00]: actually on the snow service between the apex and transition an apex and then time as well because would you agree a lot of people report back when they start getting this it's like Oh, I actually feel like I have more time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not rushed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and all right, I think I feel like that's because they're really creating facilitating afloat phase
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[SPEAKER_02]: So they're creating that sensation of time because I still feel like, again, like one of the bigger things that I've changed about my coaching, all the things I was always coached to do is even a national team was like early edge, early pressure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And what I learned since is that I was going, it was too early.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It might actually, my pressure was too early for the performance and turns that I was skiing in that context.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And there's a lot of people still where they confused about that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So when I'm teaching them this move to whip their feet under their body while their head goes over their center of mass,
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll just have a conversation around like when do you think you might want to put the pressure on because as you know, if you put, if you try to step on a ski, you know, let's just say you've got the dollar sign with the line down the middle.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you're trying to step on the new outside ski up where the line goes through the S and the dollar sign, most of the time the ski has got to want to drift and go down the mountain.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So once we start playing around with, well, let's try early.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's try really late.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's try a few degrees in between what feels comfortable.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We usually land on summer in the middle.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like we don't want to get on a two early because we're actually trying to use the top of the turn to scrub off some speed, not just the end of the turn.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that tends to really
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[SPEAKER_02]: help them fill in a lot of lengths with that on set.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and again, like to don't shake doesn't slow you down.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it can accelerate you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When you pressure the ski.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because it can maybe keep you within like a speed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Save speed down the slope.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We separate that from you across the slope.
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[SPEAKER_00]: the right turnshap can keep you in this zone of feeling comfortable, say you'd like going down a slope at 40, but 45, 50 kgs an hour down the slope, you start panicking a bit, making errors.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you can use turnshap to keep your downhill speed to 40, but then you convert that to like this across.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that really helps.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was going to say one thing that may
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[SPEAKER_00]: When we were sort of talking about that, and the inside need not being super active, which was like a maybe something that used to be taught when Kavsky's came out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So really using a lot of ankle and knee tipping to tip the skis over more in this pot to check it out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We sort of talk about that, and then how that can affect your hip, which is the big strong one for it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like after that and then we play that, we've kind of like tried to figure out more about the ankle and knee and where that sits in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not that it's, don't do it, it just has a bit of a more effective moment in the turn that it can be used.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when I started out skiing, look at old videos, I was like really knee, like I used a lot of knee and it was hard to separate
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I sort of got rid of that and then followed this like same same with yours like this using the hip a lot more and really trying to use only just enough ankle and knee.
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[SPEAKER_00]: To not ruin that, but then I remember watching maybe it was even this podcast I talked about Nick a friend Nick Jones who's on the AP side demo team he made this short turns is show me like in Switzerland.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I watched them, and I was like, these are super cool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, so good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the short-term, why I like that, he was just getting this whip across the hill.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's feet were coming back under him really fast and out the other side, really quickly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, and I knew I'd also spent some time with Nick in the Sterego season, and we were doing some drills, and I was like, oh, I think you're using too much ankle and knee here, Nick, for this drill.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Watch this video.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh, he's using that thing that I thought was overdone to achieve this whip, feedback under Accelerator.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'd recheck myself like, hang on, there's something here you're missing in your really nice smooth turns time that you could put in to maybe get some more whip out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I started putting and playing with this ankle knee more like you're saying.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: To accelerate the feet and skis back under you, so you don't have to work as hard to shove the body over the top.
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[SPEAKER_02]: In a moment, we were trying to square up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what I was playing around with a lot as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is funny, because I was chatting with Kelly about this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Over in Switzerland, in the season, how we did a camp to get a huge garden for us.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And of course, we're kind of mirroring out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And in his mind, he doesn't think about Uncle Neat at all in his chance.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's clearly using it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And a couple of the instructors, I was over at the PC festival coaching as a guest coach a few weeks ago.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we shared similar things, you know, guys from different associations, Europeans, wherever.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Some of them don't talk about Uncle Neat
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[SPEAKER_02]: inside your ankles, you're much that's a really dangerous position and I would agree like the through the end of the turn.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And this is a conversation you and I've had a lot as when you want to square up and I'm just trying to help people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not saying to anyone that I skew with like ankle knees bad and you know don't use it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm saying use your ankle knee when needed, but just know that if you use it a lot, it's going to end up squaring your hips up if you don't use it a lot at all, you'll get a lot more hip and relation if you need it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, I think that departure from this is how you do it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is the right way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is the wrong way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The people that I've skewed with have enjoyed that because we're just giving them the tools so that they can figure it out themselves.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They've got a really well-established puzzle of skiing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's definitely some gaps, you know, you and me, same thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The puzzle is
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, in more of this, like, this is what this structural function does in our bodies.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's play around with it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What does it do?
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[SPEAKER_02]: How did that feel?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Was that strong?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Was that weak?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, how did an impact turn shape?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because that's right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because you like it can.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So say we take that idea of too much need.
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[SPEAKER_00]: beyond the hip.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So lots of knee-angulation, knees rolling in a lot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We could all understand, I could imagine that does make me feel less strong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But not all parts of your turn, are you trying to be strong?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this comes back to a bit of this idea of...
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[SPEAKER_00]: when you're looking for pressure and when you're not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you can think about, we'll say through the end, I've already got my deflection.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm getting speed across the hill.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Pressure is dropping.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you're also trying to let maybe unwake your squeeze a bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Totally safe to put the knees and ankles in, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like something like, ah, that I can start adding it a bit more and more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you married up with when the pressure is dropping, so there's less load,
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[SPEAKER_00]: harmful place these like structural like these body positions that have attributes of strength versus like mobility and and guiding the skis in a separate form where you're up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm always going that's that's when you can start making sense of it and I guess the air is come when you when those two overlap their highest like points to too much then you do
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[SPEAKER_00]: cause I could, you know, I made me think of, I was standing at the bottom of the intertext, you know, think of it, yes, this, this year, and you were coming down, and you have gone, you were the, in the 360 camera, and you're macking it down the red slope, no one's in your way, so you're going for it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: like carved turn, hip to snow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Next one, hip to snow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Next one, hip to snow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, this is looking awesome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you suddenly like hip to snow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you were hip to the air, like six feet, flipping over.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh, God.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Helicopters going to be called Demalzeris is just ruined herself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was like a moment of kind of those two things, maybe overlapping, like you had the hip
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The snow is really grippy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You had really grippy skis, new those new O-plus skis and they just hooked and then turned back under you and it was so fast and at the wrong time that lifted you up like a polevolta.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I just, I think I stayed on the ski for too long.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think and it, I just, I think that was the slightly softer ski.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We were trying to get to the bottom of this
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[SPEAKER_02]: trying out, and I had one already made by a original that was awesome.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've still got it now, and it's definitely a bit stiffer, but I was bending through these skis too much.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is what yellow was the original rep was saying, and just like an elastic band, when you stretch it really, really far, it's going to come back at you really quickly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So for me, it was a really good
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[SPEAKER_02]: lesson in trying to be more subtle because I can get in and really kind of attack it because you know honestly I've always skied on skis that are really really stiff and usually a little bit too stiff for me so this is the and you know it torsionally fine that this is the first year I've skied on quite a few skis that are quite not that the two soft for me that they're torsionally just fine like remember the one over in Japan as well that ski that I bought over
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[SPEAKER_02]: did not, basically, couldn't really carve it on super hard snow and it was really steep.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But it was really interesting what it forced me to do on the really mellow, like, and it's soft in Japan, obviously, you know, snowing all the time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just being a lot more gentle.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it was a classic constraint, really, for me, and kind of what I needed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it was kind of like, took a...
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's cool, because I am grateful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we want, like, maybe not in the moment,
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[SPEAKER_00]: because it hurts out ego of like, I'm not getting this, I can't do my usual, but...
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[SPEAKER_00]: you can reflect on it now, if they ain't go so good, that brought out like maybe this, I was too comfortable in just absolutely bending the crap out of this ski and at certain time, like you could bend it for longer and it didn't matter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This one was like, you'd bend it and the ski was bent and the turn was coming around and usually on stifiskees having to hold it for long and this one was like, I'm done.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I just, you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: obviously the camera's on you're like cool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Go for it and you've been on the other ski and now you're on this one and suddenly it's like we're ready and it just ankle and knee whip back onto you and that's true to you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's just I wouldn't have to do anything like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was to have as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a good one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like if people ever get that high-sided feeling if they've had those crashes
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of like those skis are accelerating back under you with a lot of pressure that you're not ready for, and so that the legs come back under you and the boots lift you up like
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[SPEAKER_00]: And at some point, there's a point of like you want some of that because it's dynamic and really like closes the tone off well, but it's a point where too much of it is dangerous and...
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[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and that's... That was one of the things I always struggled with, too, with that sort of that cue of like, you need early impression, earlier edge.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, there's more about the pressure, because I'd be building up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just got to the point where I thought, well, this must be beyond me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mustn't be able to do this for all of a reason.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I was actually building up way too much pressure, too early.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So by the time I got to the full line, I had just too much pressure, full stop.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Then I had to deal with it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So...
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, you know, it's just a good conversation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, just like me, there was so many skiers and structures who I think are still, um, and it could just be a language thing as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Still,
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[SPEAKER_02]: I guess there's a few of these cues that I was sort of consider a little bit dogmatic around like rolling the ankle knee at the beginning of a pure card long turn just like my friend over in swiss on the same like that's not a safe position if you need to be in but we see coaches all the time on the side of the hill um you know doing that really you know knees go right up the hill really articulating their knee
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[SPEAKER_02]: away from the middle line of their body.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I used to teach that all the time, like we've got to be more active in our ankles.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Whether or not my coach meant that, it doesn't matter.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just what I think has become the understanding is that you're supposed to edge the skis from the ground up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Use your ankles and knees to tip your skis over at the start of the turn, that's what, because I always ask people, so what, what's your, what are we doing through transition?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like good coaching should always be a conversation is what I've learned as well, like ask lots of questions.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you're just like information,
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[SPEAKER_02]: They just passively sit there and go, uh-huh.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and they'll walk away from the experience going, God, that was, yeah, that was a lot, let me see if I can remember anything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But if you have a conversation with them and ask a lot of questions and try and draw out of them, what is their understanding?
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[SPEAKER_02]: What is their experience of skiing?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Then you can actually intercept where the misunderstanding is out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It comes a lot of it from our desire to really understand
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[SPEAKER_00]: the start of a turn is initiated from the ankles and then the knees move in and then the hip and then the body and we always go from incline to more angulated.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this desire for like a recipe that's like cool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We want, because we want to know how it's done really badly and people want to give people those answers
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[SPEAKER_00]: in a way you could look at a video of a turn of say an amazing scare on the world cup and you could put some words to look they start on the turn with the ankle and then the knee and but I think in one way that could you could also describe it like you said from the from the top down as well and I think
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[SPEAKER_00]: What's really important, where I'm trying to go, I'm pretty sure the same, is how many angles could I view and describe a turn being done from like the blind people looking at the elephant?
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[SPEAKER_00]: or touching the elephant and they say like the ones holding the tail and they go elephants feel like rope and then another one is like holding the foot and it's like no elephants feel like a tree trunk someone else is like holding another bit and they're described completely different they're none of the wrong feeling it from a different
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[SPEAKER_00]: vantage point.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It comes down to that experience, you know, like there's this positive psychology saying it says, you know, what you, like a focus thing, like what you pay attention to, you get more of, but it also determines what you miss.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So finding our blind spots, you know, is super important, I think.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And everything we do, especially in coaching as well, there's so many assumptions that I think we make everyone must know, X, Y and Z, Z, but there's not necessarily truth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes, that's right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, I think getting to that woke up, skiing, always set a set to my clients as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When do you see any skier, whether they be on the woke up, or just someone up online doing some great turns?
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[SPEAKER_02]: The outside leg is a long and straight.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's never, it's never buckled at the ankle knee.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So how do we square that circle?
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[SPEAKER_02]: If I'm supposed to be moving from the ankle knee, really aggressive at the top of the turn, did I at one point stop and straighten the leg up?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Or is the ankle knee?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just a feeling.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's just language, like you're definitely moving your ankle knee a whole way through the turn.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I feel like I'm chasing my hip with my ankle knee.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just behind, but I'm chasing it and then at the end of it has to, you know, finish everything off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You just made me be reminded of like a, a thought around.
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[SPEAKER_00]: how much more we see the best of the best in any sport because of social media.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In front of us and keep thinking that we always have to aim, everything we do around what the best are doing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, and I know in the past, I used to think, look, an idea is only worth sharing time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're only gonna seem like you know what you're talking about if it's true with the best ski races
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I've since changed my mind on that because not everyone won has the body of a skin racer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Two has the same intention that they need to get down through a race course and beat everyone else for time is on the same equipment that basically only the best and the best get access to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I've stopped trying to do that and like this thought
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[SPEAKER_00]: pressure to, if you're going to do a sport, then you're aiming to be as good as the best, like soccer and all these people around us, you know, kids at a half decent, then end up going well, we should put him in an academy three days a week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, because if he doesn't do it now, then he's going to be no good later on and then same with skin.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, oh, God, you know, over this pressure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I'm a ski coach that he's got to be good and that if he's not, then what am I missing?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What should I add more of?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because otherwise he'll never make it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And anyway, yeah, I feel that that is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: kind of ruining a lot of people to give up on something early.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I will put it this because like if I'm not as good as, you know, these people like Tom and Demels are or Marcel Hirscher or whoever it is on online, not comparing us to them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just trying to say like examples comparison, like, it's really harmful for your progress.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Should just try and aim to do skiing for fun, like you get it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you're doing a little bit better turns than
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we were like last season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's awesome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And does that make sense in terms of what I'm saying here?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I don't always reference the best of the best is a whole context and situation around that that's not relevant to you and where you actually want to go with your skin.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a little parent and which means I'm definitely not next there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: However, and one of my friends who's a parent said this to me the other day, she goes, actually, I think you do have a lot of valuable insight for us because we kind of lose our minds a little bit and we become parents.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I'm wondering, how do you think you successfully framed her?
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[SPEAKER_02]: She's involvement or any child junior athlete in whatever sport they might be enjoying.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When faced with that, but a lot of parents around me, their kids are right in it, you know, there's four or five sports going on in a time, which is great, child, that's the different things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But there's always this pressure, like what they're doing pretty well, you should probably get the winner.
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[SPEAKER_02]: program.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We've got registration open next week and look, it comes from a good place, coaches saying that, you know, we've done the same thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, hey, you're kids skiing a really well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you want them to go into race club next week?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Actually, is this something that enjoyed?
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[SPEAKER_02]: How do you think you have morphed into this as a as a dad?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm battling with it constantly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to say I've figured it out and I make make mistakes the other day so we live right near the beach and there's good surf waves and I'm riding to my surfing at the moment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and I'm like, ah, it's perfect.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Small, beautiful ways for kids of the moment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you want to go out surfing?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, no, and I get upset because I'm like thinking, well, if arch is not getting better at surfing, like he's not making the most of where we live, that's wrong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to go surfing more often and I want him to come.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's wrong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got to come and make the most, like, it's not perfect waves every day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you should come right now and he ended up crying and I made him cry because I put this pressure on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I made the mistake exactly, you know, I know all those things you should not do, I made the mistake.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I guess I'm getting reminded of just chill out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, and like I think I'm maybe a little bit better at it with skiing, which is weird, because that's the one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that I can have maybe the most impact where he could do really well, you know, more at about all these other ones where I'm not the expert like soccer and mountain biking and surfing and everything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I'm more chilled and I actually don't want him to become, I feel like when's Archie going to be in Olympia?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, no, well, if he kind of wants, I know there's no pressure on me, I just want to be able to ski with him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just, it's almost like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: he has to do it because this is part of our life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's just like, yeah, just something he does.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not this special thing that defines him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think, and I want to hear about your one thing too, by the way, and this is like always a whole more of a conversation that I said to my friend the other day, I mean, because we both love David Epstein's work.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's done this book on range about how most of his whole
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[SPEAKER_02]: is more relevant to skill acquisition.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They'll get the skills, but will they have a development to the passion, the mental dexterity, the drive, the attitude to want to excel in that particular sport and what they realize is most likely no.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And a lot of athletes, successful entrepreneurs will try a lot of different things and actually choose to specialize very late in life.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was saying to one of my friends who, I mean, she's, you know, two kids in all the sports.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I said, I think when a coach starts talking to a parent around, when the conversation goes towards like, they could do a chance they'll make it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's when the relationship with the sport has deteriorate.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, it's not going in a good direction.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Kids just want to have fun.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sure, they might one day turn around and go, I want to be a woke-up skier or, you know, a bandman player.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it doesn't matter.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're helping them and I can say this is a coach of children for many decades.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, we're just trying to help them have great experiences develop like race coaching in Australia being a coach of Aussie racekeets.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just to say to parents all the time, this is not about going overseas and being a competitive athlete.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is about them learning how to get up in the morning.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Make sure they have their skis tuned.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, good habits really good habits that will then translate into whatever they choose to do with their lives.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And well, I think she loves it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He loves his skiing, so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that what I would say, the takeaway, I would have the listener, like people that follow us, that want to get better at their skiing, just be mindful of.
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[SPEAKER_00]: like how you are talking to yourself about whether you're doing well or not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's just a lot of, I just, you're just very easy at trapped in like, I'm not doing great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I suck and you maybe you get stressed about it and you have the right, the wrong mindset or you know, yeah, you're trying to do too much to try and fix it and get and get better at it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, I've just like told my I should
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm almost like having this mantra in my head, like, hey, just try and want number one enjoyed and then too, I love improving, we all love improving.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, just trying to be a little bit better or work on something that is going to make you a little bit better than yourself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not, don't compare yourself with the comparison thing, is that this is the comparison that the thief of joy is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, and this is something that we quickly wanted to chat about yesterday when we called up after the season.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If we didn't know, just to bring up car of schools, for example, which is great tool.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Have really enjoyed using it at our level to get an improved car of school, you need really great snow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We all know this, but we said to each other that yesterday, if we didn't know the scores of those people we were skiing with, would we automatically think it was like 10% better than our skiing?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I feel like I'm improving even if my car's score hasn't necessarily, you know, going up or down or whatever and the people at car, they're so passionate, they're making improvements all the time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's the nature of the technology.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But there's a lot of people we ski with who get
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, because it is, it's a great tool and want to get their number up, but they get to a point where they've plateaued and then that frustration comes in.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And there is a sense of like, because it's a score.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a comparison thing going in going on there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, and I think it's very easy to not compare where you've come from, but then look around and go, oh well,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm no good because I can't do as well as I am.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So again, I think it's a framing thing of how you use that tool that day to there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's what you make it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's you can make sure you're really like easy on yourself and just be like, oh, check out this if I compare how I was not not how I am compared to you to Mel's about how I was and then I've done this sort of work and look, I am better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, it's hell, I think it's a healthier self-coaching mindset.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a body type thing in there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There are certain, you know, we're discussing yesterday.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There are certain body types.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that get really great carpe scores.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've spoke to a bunch of skiers over at New and Whistler a couple of weeks ago.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Great skiing structures.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Beautiful skiers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're like, yeah, I've just done a lot of skiing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, but if I saw them coming down the hill, I'd be like, I'm really, that's...
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[SPEAKER_02]: beautiful skin, you know, and there's a, that's a whole other podcast, but, okay, I'd love to hear about your thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What was your thing that you kind of focused in on, explored, introduced to your clients?
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[SPEAKER_02]: We've got Academy, people, which is, you know, online, and then also the people that we meet on snow, or you met on snow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What was your thing this season?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to share one that I tried to come at a problem with maybe a different way of describing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the problem was a bit like this pressure idea like when pressure builds, when it reduces, and maybe a felt sense problem people would notice is chattering.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So like trying to solve that issue, because people always like, yeah, this is going well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: but then I chatter on my left foot only, or this type of snowball, I just know I'd chatter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I thought, okay, how can I think about this problem and help people solve it differently?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the second part of that would be some comments from people around,
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[SPEAKER_00]: pushing in a turn or balancing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I've heard, I don't know, you don't hear this as much, but I've heard people say, like, don't ever push on your skis.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't push because you're doing wrong, is you're pushing your feet away from your balance point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's wrong, you're gonna fall inside, you're gonna be on the inside ski, you're gonna make the ski loose grip.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So don't ever push.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I can actually even remember at some point,
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[SPEAKER_00]: as did just in my level three Canadian of kind of feeling like oh if I don't push that much I do feel quite good balance and so I'm not ever going to push and I told people don't push.
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[SPEAKER_00]: However, I push on my skis and you said yeah I definitely I mean maybe it's not just this word push there's other like extend my leg.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a main way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah and tense it but it's but it's
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[SPEAKER_00]: getting my foot further away from me is kind of the consistency there's a pushing like active movement of the body to do so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's right people are saying don't do that and even see in this game they're trying to not do it because they've been told it and I was like what if if I'm doing it, is there a certain time when I stop doing it and if I do do it a certain time, is it detrimental?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I kind of figured out that in a way, yes, there is pushing your skis
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[SPEAKER_00]: this concept I had was you can push your skis in the top part of the turn.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I have this idea there's a push zone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So back to your idea of turn shape.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If we took a perfect life, let's see that top part up in that zone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: go ahead and push because gravity is kind of going down and so pushing movements out was an upwards is not really building up on on gravity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you're not getting an over excessive force.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're also needing to get your feet just before that moment around you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So how are you going to get them away from you faster if you need to, if you're
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're not really going to get that happening very fast, so you might need to extend and push.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's okay, but once you hit the fall line and gravity and the slope and you start lining up, you kind of have to be careful about stopping the push.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can maybe go to resist, so you're not pushing or kind of retracting, you're just holding.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So then I was like, okay, after that, then what would the QB don't push?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's actually pull.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I had this idea of a push zone, top half of the turn.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Pulls our own is kind of like a bit after the fall line and underneath.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So muscles and actions that pull the skis and feet back towards are actually going to sort of reduce that chattering impact of like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: you pushing away the snow, gravity pushing you against the snow, all those things too much after the fall line definitely don't help the ski grip and it and it do its job of a bend and follow its curved kind of shape.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was trying to give people a felt sense again, like, what does it feel like?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you can kind of pull on, don't push away on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because then, if the skis trying to grab and go this way, you're trying to make movements that help it and encourage it to do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, I presented this idea and yeah, some people got it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some people did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I remember you introduced this during the Academy, which I help you out with on the weekends.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it was a really, I think, a resonated with a lot of people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: play around with the language because I just I just hear the word push and I think yeah like I've heard that cure don't push before it was more in relation to like intermediate skiers don't push the scale away from you balance over it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And again, like you're sort of saying how humans, we like to put everything into need little boxes and arrange it like my desk drawer, it's super neat.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I wonder, like the word that you used before, like, did you say sweep, sweep the legs away from you?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I think that using or searching for language with our clients can be really powerful because the pushboard might work for them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, how did you work through any sticking points with that concept with people?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was, and that was probably the main sticking point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Was the people trying to maybe use my language or take out pushes to them, and then maybe not working, some people that did straight away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I guess I had to wait for people to try it and come back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and luckily like I try and coach in a way that encourages them to explore like it's not working try something different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so there were some people came back and said I didn't really push I felt this and I can't remember what some things are but the listener they're going to go and do it I would encourage them maybe you're not looking for push in the sense that you feel it
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[SPEAKER_00]: has a difference, a different movement, our calm feeling, the mood of males, to everyone else is going to be different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I guess I was trying to open up the,
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[SPEAKER_00]: the chance that they could find their own word or feeling and timing to it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess I was just constraining them to like when your squeeze it down the fall line, the point down here, you've kind of, if you're doing it after that, you've missed the time when I'm encouraging you to explore with something different.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so, so what did you see happen when you are watching your clients try the push?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And how did because it my my struggle with this initially was like, where's the timing of the answer?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So let's just say we're talking about, I'll be more like a steered short term.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Would you say this probably
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, relates a little bit more to a stage short term or it could be high performance, uh, but yeah, so I would say yeah, this is where then I started realizing the concept had to change a bit depending on the Turn style you're doing it's okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it wasn't a blanket like all like a long turn and a short turn.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a push stone and a pull zone nothing ever is that it ends at this point and like
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, that was like, okay, I got to expand it a little bit further.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So this is a short term.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, sure, okay, and then I'll get to the long-term because I've realized this morning actually how I was encouraging that one, but for a short term, I felt doing this drill called the double edge pressure drill, which Austrians kind of do, and if I try to describe it,
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a great one for setting your edge and releasing it quickly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This also has to do with chatter as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I watch some great Austrian skis doing this and that if people want to reference a video it's on YouTube, I'll put it in the description, it's called 2 and 2.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's Benny Wolk and Andreas Schbetter, all these two guys and they do all these different exercises and one of them is this double-edged pressure drill.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've called it that, I don't know what they call it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you make a turn and you try and set your edges like an edge set hockey stop before at the foreline but you don't hold it you let it go and then you do a second one you set your edges and then you release them again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So double edging pressure because this is edge pressure kind over and release you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm playing with that in a short turn and one thing I realized is
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[SPEAKER_00]: It didn't really work if you just rolled your feet on because your feet weren't really away from you to begin with, you kind of would just roll and you wouldn't get this sting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, so this kind of like push, but then timing it so when you did want the ski to really grip, you didn't push any further, you actually released and allowed the pull or the rebound to occur, that made me realize, oh, on a short term,
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[SPEAKER_00]: get the feet away because otherwise they're not going to move fast enough and then don't get this kind of whip back like kind of slapping someone in the face and then retracting your head.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you just slap and hit them, it's not as hard as going whack and then and then back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So in the short turn I was playing with that and because there's double edge pressure, I was doing it at different moments.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So back to your question like when when should I play with this?
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[SPEAKER_00]: timing of of it and not doing it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wish you all the more time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, if you're doing multiple times a day and you start feeling like, oh, if I do it at the full line, I get this result.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Create that outcome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that outcome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I just realize, I mean, depending on the pitch of the terrain, you're changing that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So steeper is later, because otherwise you just go too straight to direct
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's see, and just having the ability to, yeah, having the ability to just realize that and try and change your time of movements is something something I've worked on while to get better at it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Does that, is that?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, no, it does.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think, is what I realize is we're always playing around with the things up here from other people, especially each other.
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[SPEAKER_02]: ed setting late, a little too late.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then my second question with the whole is that, how?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because I see, I see a few more advanced short terrors.
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[SPEAKER_02]: trying to create legs softening through the transitions so they're not like the legs are not like one length at the apex, the same length at the transition, same length at the next apex.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So there's this idea that the legs are stretching and becoming a little bit shorter, but in my mind that needs to happen without like a full retraction, because then the retraction
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[SPEAKER_02]: diminishes your ability to set the edge, like to create the edge, but does the pull happen after the edge set?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And how do you differentiate the pull from like people just sucking their legs up and nape them and like, okay, yeah, now, okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_00]: now know what you mean.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, like I'm picturing the scare that has that, like they get their legs out and then the retraction is kind of weirdly at the wrong time because it just looks like they see it and they end up back seat.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it's kind of rebound.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, there's this response again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's
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[SPEAKER_00]: So great question.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So now back to again, the chart of thing, if you're trying to make the ski, like if the ski were chater because it's at a certain angle and then there's forces like your body and the momentum from just a split second before is now pushing against where that ski is pointed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So chart is because it's gripping and then it slides away and it's sharp enough to grip again and then you're still pushing away it and it's so it ungrips and then it grips against,
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[SPEAKER_00]: until the forces are not so high, cause it's been dissipated through that that it finally grips and goes what's going.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, so say it's say we get back to that point before we get the chatter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The ski's going across your line of travel a bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It wants to grip, you want it to grip, cause then it won't chatter all around this way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're telling your body to make pulling movements, my hope, my intention was that the muscles and the body is kind of pulling downwards on the edge,
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[SPEAKER_00]: So instead of pushing out on on the ski edge, which you could scrape it away, I'm trying to actually almost press down towards the snow, like adductors on the outside leg are activated, because an adductor, like pulling your leg back in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the muscles of the body, as the ski then grabs and it's going across the muscles you're
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[SPEAKER_00]: cooperate with that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they're like, oh, okay, where is if you're pressing and resisting, as the ski wants to go this way, it's going, but your leg is still got muscles that push outwards and momentum's pushing out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So leg muscles in particular are pulling down to get grip and then pulling inwards again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the ski can run as it's intended to on this bent arc.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so I think I think what I immediately thought you meant when you said, all was legs coming towards the center of mass.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But now I'm saying it's partly that, but it's more the legs pulling the skis across the helix.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's more like a sweet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, sweeping it back towards like underneath you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I guess if I think about it now, it's more step one, sort of in sweep yet, it's grip.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because what's the actual problem, especially in a short turn, the ski grips with it, ungrips, then it grips, then it ungrips.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The first thing is the pull down, it's not to get the legs back under me, I don't need that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just wanna make, I wanna hold the ski against the snow, as starts to run.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and my legs start coming across me more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then there's that sweep, the pull then becomes this, yeah, kind of back, back underneath.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not like a puller's in, like if I was lying on my back and you pushed on my legs and I pulled my legs into me like this, it's definitely a lateral pull which ends up coming under and then going the other way, like a pendulum, pendulum pull, not a pull and sit on it,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So this is something we have video of.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Remember one of our epic trading days that we had in Silverstar back in with we first started working together.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well second time around.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We did the fish I think I called them the fishy towel short turns or something.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think that this has been an evolution of that, whatever you were sort of encouraging me to play around with was to sweep the tail of the ski out, like almost in my mind it felt like a heel push even though it wasn't.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was getting this really frictionless top of the turn, sweeping the legs out, and then kind of landing on the edge set out towards, you know, after the fall line.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then the legs were kind of not retracting but shortening.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But my center of mass was, and I said to people, it's more like your center of mass is coming down.
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[SPEAKER_02]: onto your feet versus your feet coming up to your center of mass that would be more of a attraction center of mass going down to feet is more of a flexion.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that was just what I felt in that moment.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But what I've struggled to square in that circle is outer attraction, the rotation, not just flexion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Retraction.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, but to Halloween, because I wasn't feeling a very strong and upset with that fishtail short-term, even though I found it really easy to do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And when we have this, we're down the back of the facse episode star, bumpy, post-powering morning kind of groomer with like the being a bumps on there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just found it really easy just to like, without trying to go for like really early high-edge earlier in the turn.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When you first introduced this, I felt like the push pull feeling was on it, what I had then.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was, yeah, I've been.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We've got a video of that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I've been trying to think of.
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[SPEAKER_00]: other ways to talk about that but also like maybe the push pull thing was my attempted like a funny like a principle like an overarching like oh I can apply this to solve a problem as opposed to a technique like I'd call the fish tail one was like that was a technique description
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So like do it here with this action and then this happens, which is trying to get a concept that you could put the fish tail with this concept.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You could also put this other thing with retracted extension.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can go on this thing as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's something that you demonstrate really well with your skin, in your short turns.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I know that speaking to some of the folks out in music last week, and just a lot of people are trying to use leg length and leg short name through the trend in their short turns generally, there's a lot of, I was sort of almost say, like, is it more of an oldest full technique when the legs are just kind of the same length all the time?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is this a newer school technique just like the short turns used to be kind of quite narrow corridor like, you know, the edge set, but now there are a lot rounder, for example, so this push pull really sits with that very well and I, a lot of the people was chatting with Riley and a few of the others were trying to agree because Carver was there on what a good short turn is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and how to get people to, how do we get carve the algorithm working to step people through to help them develop their skiing in a beneficial way, the short term is that what we could agree with was what the best short term that we could think of was this short term similar to what you demonstrate, where you've got the long leg and the short leg through the transition.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I still feel like that's not what we're not very clear on how to make that happen yet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, what's happening there?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I saw I was thinking about this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And what are from a coaching perspective, I was seeing the issue of people are passive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So especially with say, SLILM ski, you can sort of, you don't have to use as much
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, output from your body of then just movements.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, you can kind of just roll and lean, roll and lean.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Say for example, in a little bit of pushing and pulling, but not much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was trying to be like, okay, if the ski does a certain amount of work because of its design.
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[SPEAKER_00]: the difference between some of the same ski doing that and then say me actively adding with my body pushing an extension and moving the legs which will touch the skis away and then when the ski wants to bite and carve
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[SPEAKER_00]: helping add like more speed across or more hold other than just the sharpness of the edge to get it down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was trying to coach in a way that got people to like turn on their active output mode of muscles and in a simple way not like use your adductors because in the past I was a lot more like
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[SPEAKER_00]: and we've talked about this ecological approach where it's like trying to do that trying to give a task where the person discovers it themselves and like you said that if I just say it's a good thing and you get stuck for like weeks going it's I don't feel a push but I feel a sweep it's like yes that's like and then you show it's like that's what I mean yeah
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you're like, oh, why did you say Swapin' I'm like, because I don't feel as Swapin' now that I do what I do, but I just wasn't in my head.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I guess I was trying, that was the problem.
01:09:22.996 --> 01:09:28.023
[SPEAKER_00]: People are inactive, just look like they're rolling, they're balancing, yeah.
01:09:28.223 --> 01:09:42.722
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like there was this missing dimension, and I watched all these other sports, where this is like, people are using their body to multiply, and to what the skis can do, that's what I was trying to help.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think that's what you did really well with when I watched you coach in that online, you know, they always say like, um, I think of it as, you know, honoring your clients learning journey.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And by always saying there's pushy is not necessarily the word like this just figure out what it feels like for you.
01:10:04.811 --> 01:10:17.873
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why I think sometimes if we get a little bit to stuck on you know definitions and verbiage and this is right and that's wrong and you cannot use the word articulate that you can use tip like.
01:10:18.595 --> 01:10:21.819
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just language, and it means so many different things.
01:10:21.920 --> 01:10:28.408
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you think of that as a sweeper, or a pusher, a fish tail, or whatever, that's right, because you're watching it happen.
01:10:30.531 --> 01:10:44.350
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, do you feel like the only way, and I don't even know if this is where I'll end with this, for myself, because I'm sort of working on this in my own level as well.
01:10:44.836 --> 01:11:04.900
[SPEAKER_02]: When people ask me the way that I am best able to describe this idea of pulling the legs across and underneath you is, you know, if you were to you and I were in the same room, I could say, hey, push against my hand here, you know, and let's just say, this is your hand, this is mine, and you're pushing.
01:11:04.960 --> 01:11:10.607
[SPEAKER_02]: If I was to just retract, it would be a collapsing.
01:11:10.874 --> 01:11:20.568
[SPEAKER_02]: a collapsing, like a mogul collapsing, like I'm going to hit that Naragol and like the legs are coming up under day to me with a little control that I'm letting the mogul push me.
01:11:21.349 --> 01:11:36.831
[SPEAKER_02]: But in the context of the transition of a short term, it's more like when you push against me, I mean the ski pushes against me, I let it come back with control versus collapsing.
01:11:37.199 --> 01:11:38.921
[SPEAKER_02]: letting the leg collapse underneath me.
01:11:38.941 --> 01:11:44.166
[SPEAKER_02]: So is that something you feel or does that sound like it's and if totally?
01:11:44.587 --> 01:11:46.328
[SPEAKER_00]: OK. Yep, totally.
01:11:46.729 --> 01:12:04.607
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think if I then make sure, like, this is good for me to talk it through because if I was an representing it again, the next thing I'd make sure I was clear with this, what we're trying to achieve with this is say the ski is coming around to the end of the turn.
01:12:05.498 --> 01:12:19.892
[SPEAKER_00]: we are trying to make movements that help it go from that point over to the other side above us kind of for that turn shape idea with more like faster and with greater ease.
01:12:20.413 --> 01:12:22.875
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think if there was that like that's our goal.
01:12:24.317 --> 01:12:34.527
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, from here to here without without our skis go here and then they get up over here this what we're trying to do is aimed at achieving that goal.
01:12:34.827 --> 01:12:35.708
[SPEAKER_01]: What are the options?
01:12:35.788 --> 01:12:37.110
[SPEAKER_01]: How should we make this happen?
01:12:37.130 --> 01:12:37.931
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was thinking even now with the push zone idea, I think where maybe people might get it wrong is say they think the push always equals more pressure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say no, it doesn't or you're not looking for that because back to your thing, like when in a short turn on a really steep black run, if we push and create too much pressure in a short turn, early the ski's going to want to go straight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We go too fast.
01:13:04.645 --> 01:13:25.084
[SPEAKER_00]: the push can create more pressure because we can kind of accelerate like where the skis going against the the turn forces bang more pressure you could also just push it and it be light on the snow like the fish tail or in the air you can just get from a to b your skis are on zero edge angle to sixty five.
01:13:25.317 --> 01:13:52.438
[SPEAKER_00]: faster because you've pushed them out then not just rolled so I get yeah now I would be like the push can create some different outcomes one is getting your feet over to the point sooner and it'll go there sooner if there's no resistance you can also use the push to create resistance which is you know maybe in a carved turn on on an easier run you're looking for that
01:13:52.418 --> 01:13:56.662
[SPEAKER_00]: in the arc, but yeah, you can just, so yeah, go and try both.
01:13:56.762 --> 01:14:01.767
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's just push in to get somewhere and there's zero pressure in between over a little.
01:14:02.148 --> 01:14:19.185
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's try some pushing to create pressure early to fill in the gap of like pressure always being after the fall line coming out at in by actively pressing against the snow, different
01:14:19.604 --> 01:14:26.573
[SPEAKER_02]: experiences or outcomes that you can think of that you had with this particular idea.
01:14:27.254 --> 01:14:38.089
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, there was some definitely some, I'm saying, of Megan, like really experienced ski instructor trainer, very high level.
01:14:38.109 --> 01:14:38.389
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
01:14:38.487 --> 01:14:54.235
[SPEAKER_00]: yeah great she never really she just never really considered this idea at all and so just now gave her something to go play with in in these different parts of the turn and she kind of came back and said she realized
01:14:54.704 --> 01:14:56.126
[SPEAKER_00]: I think this is right, making it anyway.
01:14:56.206 --> 01:15:00.152
[SPEAKER_00]: She was just like, oh, I think I always pushed at the end.
01:15:01.314 --> 01:15:04.078
[SPEAKER_00]: And I never pushed at the beginning and so she changed.
01:15:04.098 --> 01:15:06.482
[SPEAKER_00]: Where all these moves were happening and suddenly now.
01:15:07.503 --> 01:15:11.810
[SPEAKER_00]: Things like she was always working at her feet, always like to be really wide apart.
01:15:12.611 --> 01:15:12.912
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:15:13.252 --> 01:15:15.936
[SPEAKER_00]: And then they just naturally came in narrower.
01:15:15.956 --> 01:15:20.543
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'd try to help her in the past, like, hey, try and ski with your feet narrower, do all these things.
01:15:21.333 --> 01:15:25.959
[SPEAKER_00]: and it didn't really stick, this produced that outcome without her trying.
01:15:26.620 --> 01:15:31.866
[SPEAKER_02]: After she went through this process, the skis were whipping underneath it.
01:15:31.886 --> 01:15:32.447
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a short term.
01:15:32.467 --> 01:15:34.469
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a very noticeable in programming.
01:15:34.489 --> 01:15:37.053
[SPEAKER_00]: It was exactly, so that was really cool.
01:15:38.715 --> 01:15:51.070
[SPEAKER_00]: There was a few other people that commented that yeah, really helped, especially in the kind of snow conditions, I was hoping the chatter to be reduced or eliminated on, they could feel
01:15:51.050 --> 01:15:55.841
[SPEAKER_00]: what they were doing before was bracing and pushing at the wrong time.
01:15:55.881 --> 01:16:01.815
[SPEAKER_00]: So adding to that is the ski breaking away that would not help you helping it hold.
01:16:03.178 --> 01:16:07.047
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but Megan was the most noticeable one.
01:16:07.508 --> 01:16:07.809
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:16:07.829 --> 01:16:08.149
[SPEAKER_02]: That one.
01:16:08.831 --> 01:16:09.172
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:16:09.212 --> 01:16:09.312
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:16:10.490 --> 01:16:11.451
[SPEAKER_02]: So what's next?
01:16:11.492 --> 01:16:13.274
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you think for, for this year?
01:16:13.294 --> 01:16:20.185
[SPEAKER_02]: What are you some croaking up in terms of ideas and, uh, yeah, you're obviously skiing down south here.
01:16:20.505 --> 01:16:21.447
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
01:16:21.587 --> 01:16:24.992
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I don't want to make this podcast too long.
01:16:25.012 --> 01:16:27.556
[SPEAKER_00]: So I want to we want to get back on and do more of these.
01:16:28.437 --> 01:16:30.240
[SPEAKER_00]: But a little preview.
01:16:30.300 --> 01:16:33.645
[SPEAKER_00]: You saw me post some stuff about separation.
01:16:34.267 --> 01:16:34.868
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:16:34.888 --> 01:16:52.484
[SPEAKER_00]: So I've had some good realizations or what I think realizations for me and coaching others on creating separation in the different ways that you can do it, particularly because I think it's a really tricky one, especially in short turns for people to get.
01:16:52.524 --> 01:17:01.573
[SPEAKER_00]: Once you get it, you really get it, but for us, I mean that idea of the upper and lower body moving differently and how you do that,
01:17:02.347 --> 01:17:16.106
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it would be a good for people listening to this to write some comments or every listening to this, whether it be a watching on YouTube or whatever, what kind of things would you like us to share our thinking?
01:17:16.126 --> 01:17:16.266
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
01:17:16.907 --> 01:17:20.131
[SPEAKER_02]: Are there some... And the world is your oyster.
01:17:20.231 --> 01:17:29.063
[SPEAKER_02]: We'd really love to hear some of these things, but a separation thing, Tom, I think, is going to be amazing because it's a really big point of...
01:17:29.279 --> 01:17:57.818
[SPEAKER_02]: Difference sometimes with style when you're looking for it more like the structure associations were sort of Look everyone's getting really well, you know that there's always inherently a different style with some of them and some of it does come down to have a separation We have our square are we have you know, and there's a lot of people sort of with this question is like How much do I have to do and I'm always like, well, what are you trying to do?
01:17:57.950 --> 01:18:00.995
[SPEAKER_02]: how much do you think you need, how fast are you going?
01:18:01.015 --> 01:18:14.115
[SPEAKER_02]: How like, you know, and I try to veer away from there being like this, you know, we just talked about this one way to do it versus like, this is how your body, this is how your body moves.
01:18:14.356 --> 01:18:21.306
[SPEAKER_02]: And when you move your body in a certain way, this is what it does to your edges, a new direction, and all the different things involved.
01:18:21.326 --> 01:18:23.670
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's gonna be interesting to see how that,
01:18:24.055 --> 01:18:26.378
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's all this for you.
01:18:26.398 --> 01:18:49.725
[SPEAKER_00]: It's definitely, uh, and I've kind of, well, I've scheduled it for, um, as, as a webinar, so over this Aussie winter, so which we were skiing, but a lot of northern hemisphere people won't be, I've scheduled like five deep dive webinars and separations, one of them, also a few other topics, and I've done it to force myself to present it.
01:18:51.173 --> 01:19:00.482
[SPEAKER_00]: currently as I am now not thinking it's going to be the polished version, but when you have to explain it, is it down and look at a deeper?
01:19:00.522 --> 01:19:02.404
[SPEAKER_00]: You also get all these questions back.
01:19:02.805 --> 01:19:10.833
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you've just helped this push pull zone idea so much more on my head because you questioned where I wasn't explaining my thoughts as much.
01:19:10.893 --> 01:19:13.656
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm really looking forward to that.
01:19:14.096 --> 01:19:20.843
[SPEAKER_00]: But just one thing on the separation thing that really helped when I realized a strategy
01:19:21.768 --> 01:19:26.837
[SPEAKER_00]: to solve a movement problem early on in any kind of movement thing.
01:19:26.877 --> 01:19:31.345
[SPEAKER_00]: So swinging a golf club, turning your skis, same thing.
01:19:31.785 --> 01:19:40.641
[SPEAKER_00]: A strategy we use to make it simpler is we freeze degrees of motion in our body, because we have all these joints, all these moving parts.
01:19:41.322 --> 01:19:43.185
[SPEAKER_00]: And when something is new,
01:19:43.165 --> 01:20:03.958
[SPEAKER_00]: If I just lock it all together so I think the tennis serve is really because I'm not a great tennis player But I know when I'm just trying to get the ball in the spot you got to get into you know You kind of just you just use your elbow instead of like the whole body, you know from the feet up You just use your elbow and you dunk so you freeze up all places tennis
01:20:03.938 --> 01:20:04.439
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
01:20:04.459 --> 01:20:06.743
[SPEAKER_00]: And you just use one like joint.
01:20:07.525 --> 01:20:08.506
[SPEAKER_00]: And guess what?
01:20:08.707 --> 01:20:12.954
[SPEAKER_00]: It works really well because you only have to control one joint, how far apart.
01:20:12.974 --> 01:20:13.596
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
01:20:14.137 --> 01:20:20.368
[SPEAKER_00]: So then you might go shoulder elbow as you get brave up and maybe a little bit of rotation.
01:20:20.408 --> 01:20:25.457
[SPEAKER_00]: But like if you realize it's a very good strategy freezing.
01:20:25.657 --> 01:20:26.238
[SPEAKER_00]: first.
01:20:26.999 --> 01:20:30.565
[SPEAKER_00]: And as you get better, you're just trying to unfreeze unfreeze unfreeze.
01:20:31.287 --> 01:20:40.122
[SPEAKER_00]: It helps change it like from like you trying to go and get people who have really crappy separation and they just turn everything.
01:20:41.300 --> 01:21:05.890
[SPEAKER_00]: change is it's a being like okay all I'm trying to do here is bit by bit unfreeze some different joints with some different exercises at different times so I'm like going to approach it that way as opposed to like going for the gold standard of like the same big trots that somewhat like Raphael Nadal saying this is how I do myself and then I'm trying to do that and control
01:21:06.663 --> 01:21:28.042
[SPEAKER_00]: So many ranges of motion, like it's just not going to happen in your depression and so yeah, that's where I want to take the separation thing break it down So I'm really excited to work on that personally in Australia with my own skiing and and some instructors there and then present it Yeah, it's cool.
01:21:28.062 --> 01:21:34.628
[SPEAKER_02]: I like just talking about now really excited because I've always felt like
01:21:34.608 --> 01:21:45.360
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, unless you say schooled skiers, where they be instructors or just people who are really into skiing with, you know, so we're technique, we tend to get
01:21:45.728 --> 01:21:53.879
[SPEAKER_02]: pretty frozen up, especially, you know, and I think again, like language, you know, the queue is like keep your upper body stable.
01:21:54.540 --> 01:21:57.063
[SPEAKER_02]: And I've, you know, done a lot on this as well.
01:21:57.123 --> 01:22:04.854
[SPEAKER_02]: One of the things I teach a lot is like when I'm skiing, when you see my upper body is stable and my legs are doing this underneath me.
01:22:04.874 --> 01:22:08.158
[SPEAKER_02]: It's happening because my moving my upper body a lot.
01:22:08.138 --> 01:22:09.940
[SPEAKER_02]: against the forces of the turn.
01:22:09.960 --> 01:22:15.929
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's why I really liked what you sort of presented with this idea of this counter rotation and rule out.
01:22:15.949 --> 01:22:18.092
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, it's got an optical illusion.
01:22:18.212 --> 01:22:27.244
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a total optical illusion that really you can maybe put this video over if you want, but I had this video a camera on my ski or those women's ski kit.
01:22:27.224 --> 01:22:41.858
[SPEAKER_02]: when I was a cat skiing in Monashikata and it was crazy because of course that the camera was the stable point and my body is doing this on top of the camera and on top of the that the skis now of course if you've watched me skiing down the hill I was just
01:22:42.023 --> 01:22:44.747
[SPEAKER_02]: making regular turns, but I had some funny comments on that video.
01:22:44.767 --> 01:22:46.429
[SPEAKER_02]: They're going, what's really mean by discreet.
01:22:47.851 --> 01:22:52.338
[SPEAKER_02]: Because people don't, they get told, keep your body still.
01:22:52.638 --> 01:23:00.549
[SPEAKER_02]: So they freeze up that stability comes to a lot of movement, which is another thing I definitely...
01:23:00.569 --> 01:23:07.339
[SPEAKER_00]: It makes me think of just like, I always, I always ask a test, like, new thoughts about skiing against...
01:23:07.623 --> 01:23:31.639
[SPEAKER_00]: sports in general, like would this ring true as a principle in tennis, in surfing, in mountain biking, in golf, like you always keep your body still, and it's like probably not, like it's just like we're all, it's all movement based the end of the day, and all the top people, there's a similar like ability to control that and use the whole body,
01:23:32.648 --> 01:23:56.007
[SPEAKER_00]: And just this is really organized separate kind of ways that link together like I've been being out to whatever but yeah that that your explanation there just be a solution yeah the illusion makes people teach the like the illusion and then they wonder why people are not getting progress
01:23:56.324 --> 01:24:10.538
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think if you appreciate the whole body always works better when everything actually has a job and a kind of movement and that we begin by freezing at first and then we aren't freeze like you could be.
01:24:10.558 --> 01:24:12.520
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I guess that's what I thought was interesting.
01:24:12.600 --> 01:24:14.141
[SPEAKER_02]: I haven't thought about that.
01:24:14.161 --> 01:24:23.310
[SPEAKER_02]: Our clock maybe our clients aren't freezing just because they've been told to freeze or to be still they're freezing because it was easiest to learn that way.
01:24:23.881 --> 01:24:29.071
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, then we, they get to a point where they're scheme with us and they're at a much higher level.
01:24:29.251 --> 01:24:32.317
[SPEAKER_02]: We need to loosen the vibe so they can be stable.
01:24:32.618 --> 01:24:33.820
[SPEAKER_02]: So, this is stable.
01:24:34.521 --> 01:24:34.862
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:24:34.882 --> 01:24:35.864
[SPEAKER_02]: Feezing is, yeah.
01:24:36.004 --> 01:24:36.685
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway.
01:24:36.705 --> 01:24:36.806
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:24:36.826 --> 01:24:38.349
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I was a person.
01:24:38.369 --> 01:24:40.112
[SPEAKER_00]: Last, last, maybe story.
01:24:40.132 --> 01:24:45.923
[SPEAKER_00]: So the first season I got invited to go to the rookie Academy in New Zealand.
01:24:45.903 --> 01:24:49.868
[SPEAKER_00]: I got a chance to do the guest training day.
01:24:49.909 --> 01:24:54.895
[SPEAKER_00]: So every Wednesday, one of the coaches there would present a topic.
01:24:55.957 --> 01:24:59.462
[SPEAKER_00]: And so my first season there said, what do you want to do, present something?
01:25:00.543 --> 01:25:05.390
[SPEAKER_00]: And I actually back then it was around rotational separation.
01:25:06.371 --> 01:25:09.075
[SPEAKER_00]: And we started out the day.
01:25:09.292 --> 01:25:20.351
[SPEAKER_00]: by going right I want you to make turns like whatever size they are, but where you're going to try and separate from is just like the foot.
01:25:20.371 --> 01:25:25.680
[SPEAKER_00]: So you're going to try and like everything else is staying the same and you're just going to try and turn and separate only only
01:25:25.660 --> 01:25:29.026
[SPEAKER_00]: where the foot and ankle is as much as you can.
01:25:29.086 --> 01:25:31.591
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no much there, there's people sticking around in that.
01:25:31.611 --> 01:25:33.214
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we were just worked up the body.
01:25:33.234 --> 01:25:38.483
[SPEAKER_00]: So the knee can you do it and just try and think about turning everything from only the knee underneath.
01:25:38.523 --> 01:25:42.150
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the hip and then like the pelvis and lower back and then
01:25:42.653 --> 01:25:55.196
[SPEAKER_00]: the upper body so we're creating more and more separation and then like the shoulders and then even the head so like you know turning everything but only your head still looking while you're feeling like 0.80 degrees to your head.
01:25:55.216 --> 01:25:59.383
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyways we went through not like this is right or wrong.
01:25:59.403 --> 01:26:01.407
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like where can we separate from?
01:26:01.427 --> 01:26:04.813
[SPEAKER_00]: It's this unfreezing idea and everyone went through it.
01:26:05.654 --> 01:26:16.002
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the cool thing we went to the saddle is really good long steep run and then everyone just was like, right, it's over, go free ski and just use whatever you want when you want.
01:26:16.505 --> 01:26:38.040
[SPEAKER_00]: And I just remember everyone coming and saying like most people anyway, oh, I just feel like I'm skiing really well now after that warm up like I feel really loose and fluid and things are reacting well and it was just cool like that was a process of training and freezing and freezing and freezing and freezing and then just letting people go to experiment.
01:26:38.290 --> 01:26:41.937
[SPEAKER_00]: with where and where and when they used certain parts.
01:26:42.578 --> 01:26:43.920
[SPEAKER_02]: Permission to baby.
01:26:43.940 --> 01:26:46.565
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we give people commissions and moves.
01:26:46.585 --> 01:26:56.383
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, like, I, you know, I feel like I'm moving a lot, you know, it's a dance when we're skiing and when you help people understand that
01:26:56.819 --> 01:27:07.937
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, these concepts that we're talking about right now, they are very much like there's a big white lifted off their shoulders because all of a sudden it's not about stop doing this and stop doing that.
01:27:08.579 --> 01:27:11.003
[SPEAKER_02]: It's about, hey, move and let's see what happens.
01:27:11.023 --> 01:27:14.228
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, there's, there's a look experimental idea with it.
01:27:14.248 --> 01:27:14.528
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:27:15.230 --> 01:27:15.330
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:27:15.350 --> 01:27:19.396
[SPEAKER_00]: I seriously need some help with my dancing on that front.
01:27:19.417 --> 01:27:22.742
[SPEAKER_00]: We were out of friends birthday and my and Jenny is just like,
01:27:22.992 --> 01:27:27.644
[SPEAKER_00]: You can move your hips, you know, like, you know, all has got, like, it's such a thing.
01:27:27.664 --> 01:27:37.629
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's like a wish I could dance like a skid, but I just, I obviously haven't spent the time, but I need some help there because I know would feel so much.
01:27:37.930 --> 01:27:39.634
[SPEAKER_00]: So much better, but I'm a frozen,
01:27:40.340 --> 01:27:47.372
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, at the wedding, he came over and we were in a vital time.
01:27:47.392 --> 01:27:52.200
[SPEAKER_02]: But it reminded me he's like, D'Melsey, you never really told me to dance properly.
01:27:52.320 --> 01:27:54.684
[SPEAKER_02]: This is where I am.
01:27:54.785 --> 01:27:55.366
[SPEAKER_02]: Or isn't it?
01:27:55.546 --> 01:27:55.846
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:27:55.906 --> 01:27:58.711
[SPEAKER_02]: That's nice.
01:27:58.731 --> 01:27:59.192
[SPEAKER_02]: I think.
01:27:59.695 --> 01:28:00.096
[SPEAKER_00]: Cool.
01:28:00.116 --> 01:28:04.527
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, so everyone listening, there's going to be some more episodes like this.
01:28:04.568 --> 01:28:08.097
[SPEAKER_00]: Leave comments, maybe on a topic you want to talk about.
01:28:08.578 --> 01:28:16.017
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll we'll take it into consideration for sure, but we've already got some ideas really enjoyed this conversation.
01:28:16.283 --> 01:28:16.864
[SPEAKER_01]: Same.
01:28:16.944 --> 01:28:18.065
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's been really great.
01:28:18.205 --> 01:28:19.647
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let's do it again soon.
01:28:19.967 --> 01:28:28.836
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that the summer time, you know, for all this, this is, I mean, moral too busy during the winter to really be upskilling.
01:28:28.856 --> 01:28:32.520
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we're practicing our skiing as much as we can or on slow, we're training.
01:28:33.722 --> 01:28:46.155
[SPEAKER_02]: But in the off season is when I start to identify things that I want to, um, how I would have expanded my
01:28:46.473 --> 01:28:52.428
[SPEAKER_02]: go on that little journey with you guys this this summer time so let us know as a kind of thing you should like us to dive into.
01:28:53.050 --> 01:28:54.473
[SPEAKER_00]: That's right, awesome.
01:28:54.493 --> 01:28:55.295
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, DeMalza.
01:28:55.576 --> 01:28:56.920
[SPEAKER_00]: You're definitely catching up again.
01:28:56.980 --> 01:28:57.882
[SPEAKER_00]: See you on.
01:28:57.902 --> 01:28:58.283
[SPEAKER_00]: You too.
01:28:58.303 --> 01:29:00.228
[SPEAKER_00]: Next time and thanks everybody for for listening.
01:29:00.789 --> 01:29:01.832
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, thanks guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some of the best insights I've learnt that have really improved and helped my skiing have come from these conversations on chair lifts or in a locker room with another skier.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, the thing with that is not everyone gets to listen to it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: However, today's big-pitchest skiing episode with myself Tom Galley and Damell's A Clay gives you insight into some coaches' minds, our minds.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What we've been thinking about
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[SPEAKER_00]: this past ski season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Dameles is going to share some thoughts around our tone shapes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's found just approaching that and explaining that as the framework to attach all of these other skills upon has really led to people actually having more fun and just a far easier time at understanding some more complex concepts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to hear about Dameles are on that one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now,
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[SPEAKER_00]: myself, I'm going to get into some concepts that I've been trying to get out of my brain into the right words and explain this idea of pushing and pulling on your skis.
01:02.263 --> 01:17.237
[SPEAKER_00]: And so you're going to hear me sort of talk as I sort of struggle to articulate it in the right way and demels a helps, sort of extract exactly what I'm really meaning by this concept, to help people make a far more precise sort of short turns and, you know,
01:17.217 --> 01:20.001
[SPEAKER_00]: Really, I'm trying to help people fix chatter.
01:20.101 --> 01:21.603
[SPEAKER_00]: That's such a common thing.
01:21.743 --> 01:24.267
[SPEAKER_00]: People are trying to find solutions for it.
01:24.287 --> 01:30.155
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm doing my best to explain how I reduce that, as well as make some of the best turns I can.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So thanks very much for tuning in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's get into today's episode of the big picture scheme.com.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So another winter season under the belt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Demels where I heard you've had a great one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've seen each other a little bit over the ski season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You've been so busy, lots of travel for both of us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I know a lot of people's thoughts at this time of year move away from skiing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Funnily enough, we both often dive into our own minds and think about, reflect upon the season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: After our podcast episode around Inside Lake Mechanics and that story of your knee being rehabbed and discovering some new insights changing the way you thought about using your inside knee.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We wanted to do another similar episode, and we're wondering what would be a good topic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we've sort of landed on this idea of we each have these coaching themes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's usually change every season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We kind of go, oh, you know what, this is something I'm seeing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a bit like, you know, if you buy a new,
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[SPEAKER_00]: VW car suddenly you see it everywhere.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you have this new theme and you suddenly now see every scare has this issue until you want to coach around it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you're going to quiz me on mine for the season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's start with yours.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What is being your theme?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Where did it start?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why did you choose it?
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[SPEAKER_02]: My thing this season was just this simple concept of turnshap and anyone who skied with me
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[SPEAKER_02]: This season, I've probably got at least a morning on this, so maybe a full day.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I guess I just started a little bit more on an academic level.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know, when you get started as a skin structure, you're sort of teaching a lot of concepts out of the manual, which is normal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, the skin structures, create these, the associations, create these frameworks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we need to learn this like academic information.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, we know that terms need to be round.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And,
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[SPEAKER_02]: I remember when I first started trying to encourage skiers way back, you know, in the beginning of my career, it was more just the lack of the round ten shape was what
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, so, like, okay, so, I mean, imagine trying to say to a child, you know, make you turns around to slow down.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of boring, like most kids are like, I want to go as fast as possible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, I remember the idea myself, okay, I've got to get people to buy into this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What is it?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Why are we doing...
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[SPEAKER_02]: this turn shape thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So then I kind of started with, well, you know, if you if your turns aren't round, I can teach you how to emulate, I can teach you how to edge, but if you're turns aren't round, then you don't have anything to lean against.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're not building up any G forces, but still it kind of have this like
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[SPEAKER_02]: at the buyer level was sort of mediocre because, you know, a lot of the time it didn't have like a warts in it for them kind of take away with it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, okay, here's the skills structure saying, make your toes round because if you don't do it then it's going to be really hard for you to edge an angular.
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[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of people are like, okay, all right, well I'll give it a try, but it doesn't really sound that fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I agree.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like thinking it through now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a bit like most people would come to you with, I want to carve.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to ski this run.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I've thought about it over the years and the way I teach this concept now is to basically say to guests at the start of the day, I'm like, okay, I want to help you guys have way more fun.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The way the, what I love about skiing is stacking my body up against the forces of the term.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It feels like I'm a race car, driving around a track and you get to feel the thrill of building up these forces in your turns.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the way I've described it now, which I think a lot of people really enjoy or they really eager to learn.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They say to them,
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, turn shape is the architecture of good turns.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's the structure of bright skiing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Every single time you go and make a turn, it needs to have this shape.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So you can build up these forces.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And once you've done that, then there'll be a need for you to address keys and to address keys.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You get to activate, we're going to use your ankles, incline out, and all those things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, and then that's that's been the thing that I think I really focused on this year because you know, we ski with a lot of different sort of levels mostly about like really strong parallel skiers and quite often just literally the path they're taking down the mountain is not sufficient for them to really make any movements, you know, again for the forces of the
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, or maybe even give them context of timing and duration, like how long they do something for, like, okay, you're angelate, you do this, you build pressure, but for how long, when,
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[SPEAKER_00]: exactly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It gives you something to actually grasp on to like all what's in this period and yeah we have a lot of really passionate um owners in our community as you know Tom and they're really keen to get there they're skiing going.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I say to people, now it's like, I can't teach you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You can't learn these concepts.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Unless you're skiing down the mountain in rounded arcs.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I love about skiing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I still sort of always bring it back to when Shakespeare's came out and we stopped skiing on straight skis.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All of a sudden, just the tracks in the snow, all around Mount Hullham, where I grew up, we're different.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There were all these little minds everywhere.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And everyone was all of a sudden skiing, a lot more deflection across the hill.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that was really fun.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just the feeling of doing that even on a flat catchback was completely never felt that before really in the straight ski era.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, now that's the journey that I've taken over the years that I take with my clients now to help them realize.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You can say that, okay, we're going to do the box turn.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You go across the hill for two dates down the hill for two weeks, across the hill for two bits.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, great exercise.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But why, you know, why are we doing that?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think it kind of, um, for me that little thought process is really indicative of how I'm developed as a coach going from like book knowledge.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is what you should do and let's not there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You tell people to do it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: versus like, why, like, why actually are we doing it?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is it really just for speak and draw a turn shape?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I wouldn't say that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, like you're back to point about fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I want to try and describe if you maybe even have someone in your mind that you know, you've skied with that you saw and you went turn shape, we got to do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Trying to describe so someone listening could maybe identify
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[SPEAKER_02]: So let's take your classic kind of client who loves to track their skiing with either an app or a sports watch, maybe they've got cover running, something like that, but they can track their kilometers per hour.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think any instructor who is listening to this has had one of those flights and they'll be like, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, 78 kilometers per hour today.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, they're just pinning it to the bottom of the mountain, and that's where they're finding joy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: with their skiing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So let's just take that person.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if they're a bit of a, they're finding that thrill in speed, then we need to try and help them understand the thrill in lateral speed across the hill.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and there's that race car analogy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, just helping them kind of understand that first to the bottom of the hill doesn't really mean a lot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Anyone can just like ski straight and a really moodily long kind of like no turn shape.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you say these people, the feelings they would have there, they feel like they go fast and they're carving perhaps, but there's very much a fast
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a fun part you're missing there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's really having good conversations and asking lots of questions as well to that learner and saying, so let's take that thrill with speed that you have and translate it to going down the hill to this much like safer and more exciting feeling of going across the hill and then that's going to allow you to create higher
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[SPEAKER_02]: really stack your body up against the forces of the turn and get that whipping and then you know obviously they can create better angles with their body and you can take some video and show them literally what they're able to achieve once they're building up those turn forces because once they realise they're not building up any turn forces but just like pinning it to the bottom of the hill they don't have anything to create a great turn with.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Once you're skiing in rounded arcs, you've got the stuff that you need to lean against to create a different type of field sensation in your turns.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The audience say there's another group because there's some technical, technically savvy listeners to the podcast instructors, you know, former races, that's a thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: anything that comes to mind around that type of person to maybe like where you're like, oh, you know what, like they're close, but maybe, yeah, if anyone identify at that level with a maybe something they could feel that there's more to be gained from your take on turn shape architecture.
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[SPEAKER_02]: you mean, um, another subset of clients or who do you think, who do you have?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because I get, uh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm thinking of like the people that instructors at listen, the level threes, tools like the keen people, um, yeah, anything there that you've felt, you had some good breakthroughs explaining some, uh,
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[SPEAKER_02]: definitely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So when I when I actually get into the the guts of how to create that turn shape, especially with your high higher end skiers, it's more a first of all start with just the whole idea of angle of entry to the turn, which creates an equivalent and opposite angle of exit from the turn.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So if you're only pointing your skis, like we'll just say, you know, down the hill,
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[SPEAKER_02]: 20 degrees across the hill, that turn is only ever going to be 20 degrees across the hill in the other way, but if you're entering your turn with a lot more, it's never going to be like a 180 or like a say 90, maybe it's more like 45, then you can start to develop these turn forces because you're entering the turn at a much higher, a much higher angle.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, that's one of the ways, and then I usually get into talking about that transition moment in both the pure carved performance, like how are you actually getting your skis pointing across the hill underneath you, in pure carving, or in steering.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And in my mind, there's a slightly different
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[SPEAKER_02]: that usually involves ankle and knee movements to achieve that turn shape in either of those two main performance types.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you can recall that maybe the last camp or something you did with this as a focus probably was with ski instructor type people what was the
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because when they're watching like, or we're trying to, yeah, kind of, okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So let's let's just stick with with pure carving and sort of I've shared a couple of these insights on some of the other things I've done online, like with carved for example, I don't think a lot about ankle knee rolling at the very beginning of the turn.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm more about, you know, we sort of talk a lot about like, you know,
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[SPEAKER_02]: at the initiation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And whilst I'm saying that there's there's definitely ankle roll in happening and I do feel a sensation that I'm edging my skis from the ground up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What if I'm actually edging my skis from the top down?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because we all know that inclination is the first move into a turn and there's no that's just the whole body tipping in.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then I move the hip inside because that's the big clumsy powerful tune that I want to get
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then I use the ankle knee as the fine shooting, especially through in my mind the last half of the turn.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And this is something I've played around with a lot with my own skiing this year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's using more ankle knee rolling.
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[SPEAKER_02]: through the transition.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm effectively whipping my feet under my center of mass as I move my center of mass over my feet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to show what I show my own people here with this pen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So the let's just say like the lower performance way or like a maybe like a, yeah, it's just sort of low performance ways.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You would finish a turn.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's just say this is the head
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[SPEAKER_02]: old thinking, coaching was more around you're going to finish a turn and you're going to step on that new outside ski and move your center of mass over your feet and that can definitely achieve the goal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: However, in higher in steeper slopes and faster, higher jungle turns, I feel that when I use this
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[SPEAKER_02]: ankle knee move at the end of the turn to get my feet underneath me more to increase my angle of entry into the next turn.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm actually whipping my feet underneath my center of mass and at the same time my head is going over my feet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So two things are happening at once and that then helps me get through perpendicular to the slope.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then you're creating that turn shape as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So you're actually using this move through transition to get the top of the turn shaped a little bit better.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That has been one I think really like it's kind of a I guess it's a simple-ish especially for that level of instructor.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a simple-ish kind of cue.
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[SPEAKER_02]: we worked through that, then they start to feel all these different sensations at the top of the turn, like they're really whipping their feet underneath them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's that whole idea of jumping your feet from one set of train tracks to another at the top of a really, you know, so there's a big conversation after that because they've all got a really well-established puzzle of skiing and so then they start feeling in some of these old cues that they may not have fully understood
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[SPEAKER_02]: that tends to help them have like a bit of a penny drop moment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yeah, nice.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So how do you have you ever thought about that before, like on that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, definitely.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Structure of turns, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So one phrase I use is like that if you have
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[SPEAKER_00]: then like you said in the top of the turn you have more space and time so that 45 degree angle you've only got 45 degrees before you hit the four line.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's maybe the equivalent of like a couple of hours on a clock.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Whereas if you finish more across and you've got more hours on the clock hand before you reach down the fall line, to actually do something.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like, if you're just skiing straight fall line, you have no time to go from one side.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're skis to the other.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, for me, I can explain this space.
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[SPEAKER_00]: actually on the snow service between the apex and transition an apex and then time as well because would you agree a lot of people report back when they start getting this it's like Oh, I actually feel like I have more time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not rushed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and all right, I think I feel like that's because they're really creating facilitating afloat phase
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[SPEAKER_02]: So they're creating that sensation of time because I still feel like, again, like one of the bigger things that I've changed about my coaching, all the things I was always coached to do is even a national team was like early edge, early pressure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And what I learned since is that I was going, it was too early.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It might actually, my pressure was too early for the performance and turns that I was skiing in that context.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And there's a lot of people still where they confused about that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So when I'm teaching them this move to whip their feet under their body while their head goes over their center of mass,
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll just have a conversation around like when do you think you might want to put the pressure on because as you know, if you put, if you try to step on a ski, you know, let's just say you've got the dollar sign with the line down the middle.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you're trying to step on the new outside ski up where the line goes through the S and the dollar sign, most of the time the ski has got to want to drift and go down the mountain.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So once we start playing around with, well, let's try early.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's try really late.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's try a few degrees in between what feels comfortable.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We usually land on summer in the middle.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like we don't want to get on a two early because we're actually trying to use the top of the turn to scrub off some speed, not just the end of the turn.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that tends to really
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[SPEAKER_02]: help them fill in a lot of lengths with that on set.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and again, like to don't shake doesn't slow you down.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it can accelerate you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When you pressure the ski.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because it can maybe keep you within like a speed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Save speed down the slope.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We separate that from you across the slope.
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[SPEAKER_00]: the right turnshap can keep you in this zone of feeling comfortable, say you'd like going down a slope at 40, but 45, 50 kgs an hour down the slope, you start panicking a bit, making errors.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you can use turnshap to keep your downhill speed to 40, but then you convert that to like this across.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that really helps.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was going to say one thing that may
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[SPEAKER_00]: When we were sort of talking about that, and the inside need not being super active, which was like a maybe something that used to be taught when Kavsky's came out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So really using a lot of ankle and knee tipping to tip the skis over more in this pot to check it out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We sort of talk about that, and then how that can affect your hip, which is the big strong one for it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like after that and then we play that, we've kind of like tried to figure out more about the ankle and knee and where that sits in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not that it's, don't do it, it just has a bit of a more effective moment in the turn that it can be used.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when I started out skiing, look at old videos, I was like really knee, like I used a lot of knee and it was hard to separate
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I sort of got rid of that and then followed this like same same with yours like this using the hip a lot more and really trying to use only just enough ankle and knee.
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[SPEAKER_00]: To not ruin that, but then I remember watching maybe it was even this podcast I talked about Nick a friend Nick Jones who's on the AP side demo team he made this short turns is show me like in Switzerland.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I watched them, and I was like, these are super cool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, so good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the short-term, why I like that, he was just getting this whip across the hill.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's feet were coming back under him really fast and out the other side, really quickly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, and I knew I'd also spent some time with Nick in the Sterego season, and we were doing some drills, and I was like, oh, I think you're using too much ankle and knee here, Nick, for this drill.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Watch this video.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh, he's using that thing that I thought was overdone to achieve this whip, feedback under Accelerator.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'd recheck myself like, hang on, there's something here you're missing in your really nice smooth turns time that you could put in to maybe get some more whip out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I started putting and playing with this ankle knee more like you're saying.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: To accelerate the feet and skis back under you, so you don't have to work as hard to shove the body over the top.
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[SPEAKER_02]: In a moment, we were trying to square up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what I was playing around with a lot as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is funny, because I was chatting with Kelly about this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Over in Switzerland, in the season, how we did a camp to get a huge garden for us.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And of course, we're kind of mirroring out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And in his mind, he doesn't think about Uncle Neat at all in his chance.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's clearly using it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And a couple of the instructors, I was over at the PC festival coaching as a guest coach a few weeks ago.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we shared similar things, you know, guys from different associations, Europeans, wherever.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Some of them don't talk about Uncle Neat
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[SPEAKER_02]: inside your ankles, you're much that's a really dangerous position and I would agree like the through the end of the turn.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And this is a conversation you and I've had a lot as when you want to square up and I'm just trying to help people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not saying to anyone that I skew with like ankle knees bad and you know don't use it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm saying use your ankle knee when needed, but just know that if you use it a lot, it's going to end up squaring your hips up if you don't use it a lot at all, you'll get a lot more hip and relation if you need it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, I think that departure from this is how you do it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is the right way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is the wrong way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The people that I've skewed with have enjoyed that because we're just giving them the tools so that they can figure it out themselves.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They've got a really well-established puzzle of skiing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's definitely some gaps, you know, you and me, same thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The puzzle is
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, in more of this, like, this is what this structural function does in our bodies.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's play around with it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What does it do?
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[SPEAKER_02]: How did that feel?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Was that strong?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Was that weak?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, how did an impact turn shape?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because that's right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because you like it can.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So say we take that idea of too much need.
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[SPEAKER_00]: beyond the hip.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So lots of knee-angulation, knees rolling in a lot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We could all understand, I could imagine that does make me feel less strong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But not all parts of your turn, are you trying to be strong?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this comes back to a bit of this idea of...
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[SPEAKER_00]: when you're looking for pressure and when you're not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you can think about, we'll say through the end, I've already got my deflection.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm getting speed across the hill.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Pressure is dropping.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you're also trying to let maybe unwake your squeeze a bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Totally safe to put the knees and ankles in, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like something like, ah, that I can start adding it a bit more and more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you married up with when the pressure is dropping, so there's less load,
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[SPEAKER_00]: harmful place these like structural like these body positions that have attributes of strength versus like mobility and and guiding the skis in a separate form where you're up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm always going that's that's when you can start making sense of it and I guess the air is come when you when those two overlap their highest like points to too much then you do
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[SPEAKER_00]: cause I could, you know, I made me think of, I was standing at the bottom of the intertext, you know, think of it, yes, this, this year, and you were coming down, and you have gone, you were the, in the 360 camera, and you're macking it down the red slope, no one's in your way, so you're going for it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: like carved turn, hip to snow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Next one, hip to snow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Next one, hip to snow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, this is looking awesome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you suddenly like hip to snow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you were hip to the air, like six feet, flipping over.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh, God.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Helicopters going to be called Demalzeris is just ruined herself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was like a moment of kind of those two things, maybe overlapping, like you had the hip
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The snow is really grippy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You had really grippy skis, new those new O-plus skis and they just hooked and then turned back under you and it was so fast and at the wrong time that lifted you up like a polevolta.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I just, I think I stayed on the ski for too long.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think and it, I just, I think that was the slightly softer ski.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We were trying to get to the bottom of this
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[SPEAKER_02]: trying out, and I had one already made by a original that was awesome.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've still got it now, and it's definitely a bit stiffer, but I was bending through these skis too much.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is what yellow was the original rep was saying, and just like an elastic band, when you stretch it really, really far, it's going to come back at you really quickly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So for me, it was a really good
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[SPEAKER_02]: lesson in trying to be more subtle because I can get in and really kind of attack it because you know honestly I've always skied on skis that are really really stiff and usually a little bit too stiff for me so this is the and you know it torsionally fine that this is the first year I've skied on quite a few skis that are quite not that the two soft for me that they're torsionally just fine like remember the one over in Japan as well that ski that I bought over
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[SPEAKER_02]: did not, basically, couldn't really carve it on super hard snow and it was really steep.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But it was really interesting what it forced me to do on the really mellow, like, and it's soft in Japan, obviously, you know, snowing all the time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just being a lot more gentle.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it was a classic constraint, really, for me, and kind of what I needed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it was kind of like, took a...
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's cool, because I am grateful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we want, like, maybe not in the moment,
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[SPEAKER_00]: because it hurts out ego of like, I'm not getting this, I can't do my usual, but...
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[SPEAKER_00]: you can reflect on it now, if they ain't go so good, that brought out like maybe this, I was too comfortable in just absolutely bending the crap out of this ski and at certain time, like you could bend it for longer and it didn't matter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This one was like, you'd bend it and the ski was bent and the turn was coming around and usually on stifiskees having to hold it for long and this one was like, I'm done.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I just, you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: obviously the camera's on you're like cool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Go for it and you've been on the other ski and now you're on this one and suddenly it's like we're ready and it just ankle and knee whip back onto you and that's true to you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's just I wouldn't have to do anything like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was to have as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a good one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like if people ever get that high-sided feeling if they've had those crashes
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of like those skis are accelerating back under you with a lot of pressure that you're not ready for, and so that the legs come back under you and the boots lift you up like
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[SPEAKER_00]: And at some point, there's a point of like you want some of that because it's dynamic and really like closes the tone off well, but it's a point where too much of it is dangerous and...
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[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and that's... That was one of the things I always struggled with, too, with that sort of that cue of like, you need early impression, earlier edge.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, there's more about the pressure, because I'd be building up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just got to the point where I thought, well, this must be beyond me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mustn't be able to do this for all of a reason.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I was actually building up way too much pressure, too early.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So by the time I got to the full line, I had just too much pressure, full stop.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Then I had to deal with it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So...
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, you know, it's just a good conversation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, just like me, there was so many skiers and structures who I think are still, um, and it could just be a language thing as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Still,
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[SPEAKER_02]: I guess there's a few of these cues that I was sort of consider a little bit dogmatic around like rolling the ankle knee at the beginning of a pure card long turn just like my friend over in swiss on the same like that's not a safe position if you need to be in but we see coaches all the time on the side of the hill um you know doing that really you know knees go right up the hill really articulating their knee
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[SPEAKER_02]: away from the middle line of their body.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I used to teach that all the time, like we've got to be more active in our ankles.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Whether or not my coach meant that, it doesn't matter.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just what I think has become the understanding is that you're supposed to edge the skis from the ground up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Use your ankles and knees to tip your skis over at the start of the turn, that's what, because I always ask people, so what, what's your, what are we doing through transition?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like good coaching should always be a conversation is what I've learned as well, like ask lots of questions.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you're just like information,
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[SPEAKER_02]: They just passively sit there and go, uh-huh.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and they'll walk away from the experience going, God, that was, yeah, that was a lot, let me see if I can remember anything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But if you have a conversation with them and ask a lot of questions and try and draw out of them, what is their understanding?
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[SPEAKER_02]: What is their experience of skiing?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Then you can actually intercept where the misunderstanding is out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It comes a lot of it from our desire to really understand
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[SPEAKER_00]: the start of a turn is initiated from the ankles and then the knees move in and then the hip and then the body and we always go from incline to more angulated.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this desire for like a recipe that's like cool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We want, because we want to know how it's done really badly and people want to give people those answers
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[SPEAKER_00]: in a way you could look at a video of a turn of say an amazing scare on the world cup and you could put some words to look they start on the turn with the ankle and then the knee and but I think in one way that could you could also describe it like you said from the from the top down as well and I think
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[SPEAKER_00]: What's really important, where I'm trying to go, I'm pretty sure the same, is how many angles could I view and describe a turn being done from like the blind people looking at the elephant?
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[SPEAKER_00]: or touching the elephant and they say like the ones holding the tail and they go elephants feel like rope and then another one is like holding the foot and it's like no elephants feel like a tree trunk someone else is like holding another bit and they're described completely different they're none of the wrong feeling it from a different
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[SPEAKER_00]: vantage point.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It comes down to that experience, you know, like there's this positive psychology saying it says, you know, what you, like a focus thing, like what you pay attention to, you get more of, but it also determines what you miss.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So finding our blind spots, you know, is super important, I think.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And everything we do, especially in coaching as well, there's so many assumptions that I think we make everyone must know, X, Y and Z, Z, but there's not necessarily truth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes, that's right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, I think getting to that woke up, skiing, always set a set to my clients as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When do you see any skier, whether they be on the woke up, or just someone up online doing some great turns?
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[SPEAKER_02]: The outside leg is a long and straight.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's never, it's never buckled at the ankle knee.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So how do we square that circle?
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[SPEAKER_02]: If I'm supposed to be moving from the ankle knee, really aggressive at the top of the turn, did I at one point stop and straighten the leg up?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Or is the ankle knee?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just a feeling.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's just language, like you're definitely moving your ankle knee a whole way through the turn.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I feel like I'm chasing my hip with my ankle knee.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just behind, but I'm chasing it and then at the end of it has to, you know, finish everything off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You just made me be reminded of like a, a thought around.
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[SPEAKER_00]: how much more we see the best of the best in any sport because of social media.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In front of us and keep thinking that we always have to aim, everything we do around what the best are doing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, and I know in the past, I used to think, look, an idea is only worth sharing time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're only gonna seem like you know what you're talking about if it's true with the best ski races
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I've since changed my mind on that because not everyone won has the body of a skin racer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Two has the same intention that they need to get down through a race course and beat everyone else for time is on the same equipment that basically only the best and the best get access to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I've stopped trying to do that and like this thought
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[SPEAKER_00]: pressure to, if you're going to do a sport, then you're aiming to be as good as the best, like soccer and all these people around us, you know, kids at a half decent, then end up going well, we should put him in an academy three days a week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, because if he doesn't do it now, then he's going to be no good later on and then same with skin.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, oh, God, you know, over this pressure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I'm a ski coach that he's got to be good and that if he's not, then what am I missing?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What should I add more of?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because otherwise he'll never make it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And anyway, yeah, I feel that that is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: kind of ruining a lot of people to give up on something early.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I will put it this because like if I'm not as good as, you know, these people like Tom and Demels are or Marcel Hirscher or whoever it is on online, not comparing us to them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just trying to say like examples comparison, like, it's really harmful for your progress.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Should just try and aim to do skiing for fun, like you get it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you're doing a little bit better turns than
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we were like last season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's awesome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And does that make sense in terms of what I'm saying here?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I don't always reference the best of the best is a whole context and situation around that that's not relevant to you and where you actually want to go with your skin.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a little parent and which means I'm definitely not next there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: However, and one of my friends who's a parent said this to me the other day, she goes, actually, I think you do have a lot of valuable insight for us because we kind of lose our minds a little bit and we become parents.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I'm wondering, how do you think you successfully framed her?
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[SPEAKER_02]: She's involvement or any child junior athlete in whatever sport they might be enjoying.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When faced with that, but a lot of parents around me, their kids are right in it, you know, there's four or five sports going on in a time, which is great, child, that's the different things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But there's always this pressure, like what they're doing pretty well, you should probably get the winner.
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[SPEAKER_02]: program.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We've got registration open next week and look, it comes from a good place, coaches saying that, you know, we've done the same thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, hey, you're kids skiing a really well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you want them to go into race club next week?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Actually, is this something that enjoyed?
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[SPEAKER_02]: How do you think you have morphed into this as a as a dad?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm battling with it constantly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to say I've figured it out and I make make mistakes the other day so we live right near the beach and there's good surf waves and I'm riding to my surfing at the moment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and I'm like, ah, it's perfect.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Small, beautiful ways for kids of the moment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you want to go out surfing?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, no, and I get upset because I'm like thinking, well, if arch is not getting better at surfing, like he's not making the most of where we live, that's wrong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to go surfing more often and I want him to come.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's wrong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got to come and make the most, like, it's not perfect waves every day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you should come right now and he ended up crying and I made him cry because I put this pressure on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I made the mistake exactly, you know, I know all those things you should not do, I made the mistake.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I guess I'm getting reminded of just chill out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, and like I think I'm maybe a little bit better at it with skiing, which is weird, because that's the one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that I can have maybe the most impact where he could do really well, you know, more at about all these other ones where I'm not the expert like soccer and mountain biking and surfing and everything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I'm more chilled and I actually don't want him to become, I feel like when's Archie going to be in Olympia?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, no, well, if he kind of wants, I know there's no pressure on me, I just want to be able to ski with him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just, it's almost like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: he has to do it because this is part of our life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's just like, yeah, just something he does.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not this special thing that defines him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think, and I want to hear about your one thing too, by the way, and this is like always a whole more of a conversation that I said to my friend the other day, I mean, because we both love David Epstein's work.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's done this book on range about how most of his whole
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[SPEAKER_02]: is more relevant to skill acquisition.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They'll get the skills, but will they have a development to the passion, the mental dexterity, the drive, the attitude to want to excel in that particular sport and what they realize is most likely no.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And a lot of athletes, successful entrepreneurs will try a lot of different things and actually choose to specialize very late in life.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was saying to one of my friends who, I mean, she's, you know, two kids in all the sports.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I said, I think when a coach starts talking to a parent around, when the conversation goes towards like, they could do a chance they'll make it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's when the relationship with the sport has deteriorate.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, it's not going in a good direction.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Kids just want to have fun.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sure, they might one day turn around and go, I want to be a woke-up skier or, you know, a bandman player.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it doesn't matter.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're helping them and I can say this is a coach of children for many decades.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, we're just trying to help them have great experiences develop like race coaching in Australia being a coach of Aussie racekeets.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just to say to parents all the time, this is not about going overseas and being a competitive athlete.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is about them learning how to get up in the morning.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Make sure they have their skis tuned.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, good habits really good habits that will then translate into whatever they choose to do with their lives.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And well, I think she loves it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He loves his skiing, so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that what I would say, the takeaway, I would have the listener, like people that follow us, that want to get better at their skiing, just be mindful of.
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[SPEAKER_00]: like how you are talking to yourself about whether you're doing well or not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's just a lot of, I just, you're just very easy at trapped in like, I'm not doing great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I suck and you maybe you get stressed about it and you have the right, the wrong mindset or you know, yeah, you're trying to do too much to try and fix it and get and get better at it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, I've just like told my I should
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm almost like having this mantra in my head, like, hey, just try and want number one enjoyed and then too, I love improving, we all love improving.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, just trying to be a little bit better or work on something that is going to make you a little bit better than yourself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not, don't compare yourself with the comparison thing, is that this is the comparison that the thief of joy is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, and this is something that we quickly wanted to chat about yesterday when we called up after the season.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If we didn't know, just to bring up car of schools, for example, which is great tool.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Have really enjoyed using it at our level to get an improved car of school, you need really great snow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We all know this, but we said to each other that yesterday, if we didn't know the scores of those people we were skiing with, would we automatically think it was like 10% better than our skiing?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I feel like I'm improving even if my car's score hasn't necessarily, you know, going up or down or whatever and the people at car, they're so passionate, they're making improvements all the time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's the nature of the technology.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But there's a lot of people we ski with who get
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, because it is, it's a great tool and want to get their number up, but they get to a point where they've plateaued and then that frustration comes in.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And there is a sense of like, because it's a score.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a comparison thing going in going on there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, and I think it's very easy to not compare where you've come from, but then look around and go, oh well,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm no good because I can't do as well as I am.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So again, I think it's a framing thing of how you use that tool that day to there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's what you make it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's you can make sure you're really like easy on yourself and just be like, oh, check out this if I compare how I was not not how I am compared to you to Mel's about how I was and then I've done this sort of work and look, I am better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, it's hell, I think it's a healthier self-coaching mindset.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a body type thing in there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There are certain, you know, we're discussing yesterday.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There are certain body types.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that get really great carpe scores.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've spoke to a bunch of skiers over at New and Whistler a couple of weeks ago.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Great skiing structures.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Beautiful skiers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're like, yeah, I've just done a lot of skiing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, but if I saw them coming down the hill, I'd be like, I'm really, that's...
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[SPEAKER_02]: beautiful skin, you know, and there's a, that's a whole other podcast, but, okay, I'd love to hear about your thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What was your thing that you kind of focused in on, explored, introduced to your clients?
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[SPEAKER_02]: We've got Academy, people, which is, you know, online, and then also the people that we meet on snow, or you met on snow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What was your thing this season?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to share one that I tried to come at a problem with maybe a different way of describing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the problem was a bit like this pressure idea like when pressure builds, when it reduces, and maybe a felt sense problem people would notice is chattering.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So like trying to solve that issue, because people always like, yeah, this is going well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: but then I chatter on my left foot only, or this type of snowball, I just know I'd chatter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I thought, okay, how can I think about this problem and help people solve it differently?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the second part of that would be some comments from people around,
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[SPEAKER_00]: pushing in a turn or balancing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I've heard, I don't know, you don't hear this as much, but I've heard people say, like, don't ever push on your skis.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't push because you're doing wrong, is you're pushing your feet away from your balance point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's wrong, you're gonna fall inside, you're gonna be on the inside ski, you're gonna make the ski loose grip.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So don't ever push.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I can actually even remember at some point,
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[SPEAKER_00]: as did just in my level three Canadian of kind of feeling like oh if I don't push that much I do feel quite good balance and so I'm not ever going to push and I told people don't push.
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[SPEAKER_00]: However, I push on my skis and you said yeah I definitely I mean maybe it's not just this word push there's other like extend my leg.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a main way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah and tense it but it's but it's
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[SPEAKER_00]: getting my foot further away from me is kind of the consistency there's a pushing like active movement of the body to do so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's right people are saying don't do that and even see in this game they're trying to not do it because they've been told it and I was like what if if I'm doing it, is there a certain time when I stop doing it and if I do do it a certain time, is it detrimental?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I kind of figured out that in a way, yes, there is pushing your skis
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[SPEAKER_00]: this concept I had was you can push your skis in the top part of the turn.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I have this idea there's a push zone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So back to your idea of turn shape.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If we took a perfect life, let's see that top part up in that zone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: go ahead and push because gravity is kind of going down and so pushing movements out was an upwards is not really building up on on gravity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you're not getting an over excessive force.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're also needing to get your feet just before that moment around you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So how are you going to get them away from you faster if you need to, if you're
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're not really going to get that happening very fast, so you might need to extend and push.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's okay, but once you hit the fall line and gravity and the slope and you start lining up, you kind of have to be careful about stopping the push.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can maybe go to resist, so you're not pushing or kind of retracting, you're just holding.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So then I was like, okay, after that, then what would the QB don't push?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's actually pull.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I had this idea of a push zone, top half of the turn.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Pulls our own is kind of like a bit after the fall line and underneath.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So muscles and actions that pull the skis and feet back towards are actually going to sort of reduce that chattering impact of like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: you pushing away the snow, gravity pushing you against the snow, all those things too much after the fall line definitely don't help the ski grip and it and it do its job of a bend and follow its curved kind of shape.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was trying to give people a felt sense again, like, what does it feel like?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you can kind of pull on, don't push away on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because then, if the skis trying to grab and go this way, you're trying to make movements that help it and encourage it to do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, I presented this idea and yeah, some people got it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some people did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I remember you introduced this during the Academy, which I help you out with on the weekends.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it was a really, I think, a resonated with a lot of people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: play around with the language because I just I just hear the word push and I think yeah like I've heard that cure don't push before it was more in relation to like intermediate skiers don't push the scale away from you balance over it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And again, like you're sort of saying how humans, we like to put everything into need little boxes and arrange it like my desk drawer, it's super neat.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I wonder, like the word that you used before, like, did you say sweep, sweep the legs away from you?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I think that using or searching for language with our clients can be really powerful because the pushboard might work for them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, how did you work through any sticking points with that concept with people?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was, and that was probably the main sticking point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Was the people trying to maybe use my language or take out pushes to them, and then maybe not working, some people that did straight away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I guess I had to wait for people to try it and come back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and luckily like I try and coach in a way that encourages them to explore like it's not working try something different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so there were some people came back and said I didn't really push I felt this and I can't remember what some things are but the listener they're going to go and do it I would encourage them maybe you're not looking for push in the sense that you feel it
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[SPEAKER_00]: has a difference, a different movement, our calm feeling, the mood of males, to everyone else is going to be different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I guess I was trying to open up the,
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[SPEAKER_00]: the chance that they could find their own word or feeling and timing to it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess I was just constraining them to like when your squeeze it down the fall line, the point down here, you've kind of, if you're doing it after that, you've missed the time when I'm encouraging you to explore with something different.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so, so what did you see happen when you are watching your clients try the push?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And how did because it my my struggle with this initially was like, where's the timing of the answer?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So let's just say we're talking about, I'll be more like a steered short term.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Would you say this probably
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, relates a little bit more to a stage short term or it could be high performance, uh, but yeah, so I would say yeah, this is where then I started realizing the concept had to change a bit depending on the Turn style you're doing it's okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it wasn't a blanket like all like a long turn and a short turn.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a push stone and a pull zone nothing ever is that it ends at this point and like
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, that was like, okay, I got to expand it a little bit further.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So this is a short term.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, sure, okay, and then I'll get to the long-term because I've realized this morning actually how I was encouraging that one, but for a short term, I felt doing this drill called the double edge pressure drill, which Austrians kind of do, and if I try to describe it,
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a great one for setting your edge and releasing it quickly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This also has to do with chatter as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I watch some great Austrian skis doing this and that if people want to reference a video it's on YouTube, I'll put it in the description, it's called 2 and 2.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's Benny Wolk and Andreas Schbetter, all these two guys and they do all these different exercises and one of them is this double-edged pressure drill.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've called it that, I don't know what they call it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you make a turn and you try and set your edges like an edge set hockey stop before at the foreline but you don't hold it you let it go and then you do a second one you set your edges and then you release them again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So double edging pressure because this is edge pressure kind over and release you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm playing with that in a short turn and one thing I realized is
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[SPEAKER_00]: It didn't really work if you just rolled your feet on because your feet weren't really away from you to begin with, you kind of would just roll and you wouldn't get this sting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, so this kind of like push, but then timing it so when you did want the ski to really grip, you didn't push any further, you actually released and allowed the pull or the rebound to occur, that made me realize, oh, on a short term,
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[SPEAKER_00]: get the feet away because otherwise they're not going to move fast enough and then don't get this kind of whip back like kind of slapping someone in the face and then retracting your head.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you just slap and hit them, it's not as hard as going whack and then and then back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So in the short turn I was playing with that and because there's double edge pressure, I was doing it at different moments.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So back to your question like when when should I play with this?
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[SPEAKER_00]: timing of of it and not doing it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wish you all the more time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, if you're doing multiple times a day and you start feeling like, oh, if I do it at the full line, I get this result.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Create that outcome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that outcome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I just realize, I mean, depending on the pitch of the terrain, you're changing that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So steeper is later, because otherwise you just go too straight to direct
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's see, and just having the ability to, yeah, having the ability to just realize that and try and change your time of movements is something something I've worked on while to get better at it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Does that, is that?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, no, it does.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think, is what I realize is we're always playing around with the things up here from other people, especially each other.
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[SPEAKER_02]: ed setting late, a little too late.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then my second question with the whole is that, how?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because I see, I see a few more advanced short terrors.
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[SPEAKER_02]: trying to create legs softening through the transitions so they're not like the legs are not like one length at the apex, the same length at the transition, same length at the next apex.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So there's this idea that the legs are stretching and becoming a little bit shorter, but in my mind that needs to happen without like a full retraction, because then the retraction
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[SPEAKER_02]: diminishes your ability to set the edge, like to create the edge, but does the pull happen after the edge set?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And how do you differentiate the pull from like people just sucking their legs up and nape them and like, okay, yeah, now, okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_00]: now know what you mean.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, like I'm picturing the scare that has that, like they get their legs out and then the retraction is kind of weirdly at the wrong time because it just looks like they see it and they end up back seat.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it's kind of rebound.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, there's this response again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's
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[SPEAKER_00]: So great question.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So now back to again, the chart of thing, if you're trying to make the ski, like if the ski were chater because it's at a certain angle and then there's forces like your body and the momentum from just a split second before is now pushing against where that ski is pointed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So chart is because it's gripping and then it slides away and it's sharp enough to grip again and then you're still pushing away it and it's so it ungrips and then it grips against,
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[SPEAKER_00]: until the forces are not so high, cause it's been dissipated through that that it finally grips and goes what's going.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, so say it's say we get back to that point before we get the chatter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The ski's going across your line of travel a bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It wants to grip, you want it to grip, cause then it won't chatter all around this way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're telling your body to make pulling movements, my hope, my intention was that the muscles and the body is kind of pulling downwards on the edge,
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[SPEAKER_00]: So instead of pushing out on on the ski edge, which you could scrape it away, I'm trying to actually almost press down towards the snow, like adductors on the outside leg are activated, because an adductor, like pulling your leg back in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the muscles of the body, as the ski then grabs and it's going across the muscles you're
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[SPEAKER_00]: cooperate with that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they're like, oh, okay, where is if you're pressing and resisting, as the ski wants to go this way, it's going, but your leg is still got muscles that push outwards and momentum's pushing out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So leg muscles in particular are pulling down to get grip and then pulling inwards again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the ski can run as it's intended to on this bent arc.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so I think I think what I immediately thought you meant when you said, all was legs coming towards the center of mass.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But now I'm saying it's partly that, but it's more the legs pulling the skis across the helix.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's more like a sweet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, sweeping it back towards like underneath you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I guess if I think about it now, it's more step one, sort of in sweep yet, it's grip.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because what's the actual problem, especially in a short turn, the ski grips with it, ungrips, then it grips, then it ungrips.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The first thing is the pull down, it's not to get the legs back under me, I don't need that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just wanna make, I wanna hold the ski against the snow, as starts to run.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and my legs start coming across me more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then there's that sweep, the pull then becomes this, yeah, kind of back, back underneath.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not like a puller's in, like if I was lying on my back and you pushed on my legs and I pulled my legs into me like this, it's definitely a lateral pull which ends up coming under and then going the other way, like a pendulum, pendulum pull, not a pull and sit on it,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So this is something we have video of.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Remember one of our epic trading days that we had in Silverstar back in with we first started working together.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well second time around.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We did the fish I think I called them the fishy towel short turns or something.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think that this has been an evolution of that, whatever you were sort of encouraging me to play around with was to sweep the tail of the ski out, like almost in my mind it felt like a heel push even though it wasn't.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was getting this really frictionless top of the turn, sweeping the legs out, and then kind of landing on the edge set out towards, you know, after the fall line.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then the legs were kind of not retracting but shortening.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But my center of mass was, and I said to people, it's more like your center of mass is coming down.
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[SPEAKER_02]: onto your feet versus your feet coming up to your center of mass that would be more of a attraction center of mass going down to feet is more of a flexion.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that was just what I felt in that moment.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But what I've struggled to square in that circle is outer attraction, the rotation, not just flexion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Retraction.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, but to Halloween, because I wasn't feeling a very strong and upset with that fishtail short-term, even though I found it really easy to do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And when we have this, we're down the back of the facse episode star, bumpy, post-powering morning kind of groomer with like the being a bumps on there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just found it really easy just to like, without trying to go for like really early high-edge earlier in the turn.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When you first introduced this, I felt like the push pull feeling was on it, what I had then.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was, yeah, I've been.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We've got a video of that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I've been trying to think of.
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[SPEAKER_00]: other ways to talk about that but also like maybe the push pull thing was my attempted like a funny like a principle like an overarching like oh I can apply this to solve a problem as opposed to a technique like I'd call the fish tail one was like that was a technique description
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So like do it here with this action and then this happens, which is trying to get a concept that you could put the fish tail with this concept.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You could also put this other thing with retracted extension.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can go on this thing as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's something that you demonstrate really well with your skin, in your short turns.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I know that speaking to some of the folks out in music last week, and just a lot of people are trying to use leg length and leg short name through the trend in their short turns generally, there's a lot of, I was sort of almost say, like, is it more of an oldest full technique when the legs are just kind of the same length all the time?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is this a newer school technique just like the short turns used to be kind of quite narrow corridor like, you know, the edge set, but now there are a lot rounder, for example, so this push pull really sits with that very well and I, a lot of the people was chatting with Riley and a few of the others were trying to agree because Carver was there on what a good short turn is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and how to get people to, how do we get carve the algorithm working to step people through to help them develop their skiing in a beneficial way, the short term is that what we could agree with was what the best short term that we could think of was this short term similar to what you demonstrate, where you've got the long leg and the short leg through the transition.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I still feel like that's not what we're not very clear on how to make that happen yet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, what's happening there?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I saw I was thinking about this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And what are from a coaching perspective, I was seeing the issue of people are passive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So especially with say, SLILM ski, you can sort of, you don't have to use as much
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, output from your body of then just movements.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, you can kind of just roll and lean, roll and lean.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Say for example, in a little bit of pushing and pulling, but not much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was trying to be like, okay, if the ski does a certain amount of work because of its design.
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[SPEAKER_00]: the difference between some of the same ski doing that and then say me actively adding with my body pushing an extension and moving the legs which will touch the skis away and then when the ski wants to bite and carve
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[SPEAKER_00]: helping add like more speed across or more hold other than just the sharpness of the edge to get it down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was trying to coach in a way that got people to like turn on their active output mode of muscles and in a simple way not like use your adductors because in the past I was a lot more like
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[SPEAKER_00]: and we've talked about this ecological approach where it's like trying to do that trying to give a task where the person discovers it themselves and like you said that if I just say it's a good thing and you get stuck for like weeks going it's I don't feel a push but I feel a sweep it's like yes that's like and then you show it's like that's what I mean yeah
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you're like, oh, why did you say Swapin' I'm like, because I don't feel as Swapin' now that I do what I do, but I just wasn't in my head.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I guess I was trying, that was the problem.
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[SPEAKER_00]: People are inactive, just look like they're rolling, they're balancing, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like there was this missing dimension, and I watched all these other sports, where this is like, people are using their body to multiply, and to what the skis can do, that's what I was trying to help.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think that's what you did really well with when I watched you coach in that online, you know, they always say like, um, I think of it as, you know, honoring your clients learning journey.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And by always saying there's pushy is not necessarily the word like this just figure out what it feels like for you.
01:10:04.811 --> 01:10:17.873
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why I think sometimes if we get a little bit to stuck on you know definitions and verbiage and this is right and that's wrong and you cannot use the word articulate that you can use tip like.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just language, and it means so many different things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if you think of that as a sweeper, or a pusher, a fish tail, or whatever, that's right, because you're watching it happen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, do you feel like the only way, and I don't even know if this is where I'll end with this, for myself, because I'm sort of working on this in my own level as well.
01:10:44.836 --> 01:11:04.900
[SPEAKER_02]: When people ask me the way that I am best able to describe this idea of pulling the legs across and underneath you is, you know, if you were to you and I were in the same room, I could say, hey, push against my hand here, you know, and let's just say, this is your hand, this is mine, and you're pushing.
01:11:04.960 --> 01:11:10.607
[SPEAKER_02]: If I was to just retract, it would be a collapsing.
01:11:10.874 --> 01:11:20.568
[SPEAKER_02]: a collapsing, like a mogul collapsing, like I'm going to hit that Naragol and like the legs are coming up under day to me with a little control that I'm letting the mogul push me.
01:11:21.349 --> 01:11:36.831
[SPEAKER_02]: But in the context of the transition of a short term, it's more like when you push against me, I mean the ski pushes against me, I let it come back with control versus collapsing.
01:11:37.199 --> 01:11:38.921
[SPEAKER_02]: letting the leg collapse underneath me.
01:11:38.941 --> 01:11:44.166
[SPEAKER_02]: So is that something you feel or does that sound like it's and if totally?
01:11:44.587 --> 01:11:46.328
[SPEAKER_00]: OK. Yep, totally.
01:11:46.729 --> 01:12:04.607
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think if I then make sure, like, this is good for me to talk it through because if I was an representing it again, the next thing I'd make sure I was clear with this, what we're trying to achieve with this is say the ski is coming around to the end of the turn.
01:12:05.498 --> 01:12:19.892
[SPEAKER_00]: we are trying to make movements that help it go from that point over to the other side above us kind of for that turn shape idea with more like faster and with greater ease.
01:12:20.413 --> 01:12:22.875
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think if there was that like that's our goal.
01:12:24.317 --> 01:12:34.527
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, from here to here without without our skis go here and then they get up over here this what we're trying to do is aimed at achieving that goal.
01:12:34.827 --> 01:12:35.708
[SPEAKER_01]: What are the options?
01:12:35.788 --> 01:12:37.110
[SPEAKER_01]: How should we make this happen?
01:12:37.130 --> 01:12:37.931
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was thinking even now with the push zone idea, I think where maybe people might get it wrong is say they think the push always equals more pressure.
01:12:49.284 --> 01:13:01.359
[SPEAKER_00]: I would say no, it doesn't or you're not looking for that because back to your thing, like when in a short turn on a really steep black run, if we push and create too much pressure in a short turn, early the ski's going to want to go straight.
01:13:01.459 --> 01:13:03.822
[SPEAKER_00]: We go too fast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: the push can create more pressure because we can kind of accelerate like where the skis going against the the turn forces bang more pressure you could also just push it and it be light on the snow like the fish tail or in the air you can just get from a to b your skis are on zero edge angle to sixty five.
01:13:25.317 --> 01:13:52.438
[SPEAKER_00]: faster because you've pushed them out then not just rolled so I get yeah now I would be like the push can create some different outcomes one is getting your feet over to the point sooner and it'll go there sooner if there's no resistance you can also use the push to create resistance which is you know maybe in a carved turn on on an easier run you're looking for that
01:13:52.418 --> 01:13:56.662
[SPEAKER_00]: in the arc, but yeah, you can just, so yeah, go and try both.
01:13:56.762 --> 01:14:01.767
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's just push in to get somewhere and there's zero pressure in between over a little.
01:14:02.148 --> 01:14:19.185
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's try some pushing to create pressure early to fill in the gap of like pressure always being after the fall line coming out at in by actively pressing against the snow, different
01:14:19.604 --> 01:14:26.573
[SPEAKER_02]: experiences or outcomes that you can think of that you had with this particular idea.
01:14:27.254 --> 01:14:38.089
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, there was some definitely some, I'm saying, of Megan, like really experienced ski instructor trainer, very high level.
01:14:38.109 --> 01:14:38.389
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
01:14:38.487 --> 01:14:54.235
[SPEAKER_00]: yeah great she never really she just never really considered this idea at all and so just now gave her something to go play with in in these different parts of the turn and she kind of came back and said she realized
01:14:54.704 --> 01:14:56.126
[SPEAKER_00]: I think this is right, making it anyway.
01:14:56.206 --> 01:15:00.152
[SPEAKER_00]: She was just like, oh, I think I always pushed at the end.
01:15:01.314 --> 01:15:04.078
[SPEAKER_00]: And I never pushed at the beginning and so she changed.
01:15:04.098 --> 01:15:06.482
[SPEAKER_00]: Where all these moves were happening and suddenly now.
01:15:07.503 --> 01:15:11.810
[SPEAKER_00]: Things like she was always working at her feet, always like to be really wide apart.
01:15:12.611 --> 01:15:12.912
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:15:13.252 --> 01:15:15.936
[SPEAKER_00]: And then they just naturally came in narrower.
01:15:15.956 --> 01:15:20.543
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'd try to help her in the past, like, hey, try and ski with your feet narrower, do all these things.
01:15:21.333 --> 01:15:25.959
[SPEAKER_00]: and it didn't really stick, this produced that outcome without her trying.
01:15:26.620 --> 01:15:31.866
[SPEAKER_02]: After she went through this process, the skis were whipping underneath it.
01:15:31.886 --> 01:15:32.447
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a short term.
01:15:32.467 --> 01:15:34.469
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a very noticeable in programming.
01:15:34.489 --> 01:15:37.053
[SPEAKER_00]: It was exactly, so that was really cool.
01:15:38.715 --> 01:15:51.070
[SPEAKER_00]: There was a few other people that commented that yeah, really helped, especially in the kind of snow conditions, I was hoping the chatter to be reduced or eliminated on, they could feel
01:15:51.050 --> 01:15:55.841
[SPEAKER_00]: what they were doing before was bracing and pushing at the wrong time.
01:15:55.881 --> 01:16:01.815
[SPEAKER_00]: So adding to that is the ski breaking away that would not help you helping it hold.
01:16:03.178 --> 01:16:07.047
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but Megan was the most noticeable one.
01:16:07.508 --> 01:16:07.809
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:16:07.829 --> 01:16:08.149
[SPEAKER_02]: That one.
01:16:08.831 --> 01:16:09.172
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:16:09.212 --> 01:16:09.312
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:16:10.490 --> 01:16:11.451
[SPEAKER_02]: So what's next?
01:16:11.492 --> 01:16:13.274
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you think for, for this year?
01:16:13.294 --> 01:16:20.185
[SPEAKER_02]: What are you some croaking up in terms of ideas and, uh, yeah, you're obviously skiing down south here.
01:16:20.505 --> 01:16:21.447
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
01:16:21.587 --> 01:16:24.992
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I don't want to make this podcast too long.
01:16:25.012 --> 01:16:27.556
[SPEAKER_00]: So I want to we want to get back on and do more of these.
01:16:28.437 --> 01:16:30.240
[SPEAKER_00]: But a little preview.
01:16:30.300 --> 01:16:33.645
[SPEAKER_00]: You saw me post some stuff about separation.
01:16:34.267 --> 01:16:34.868
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:16:34.888 --> 01:16:52.484
[SPEAKER_00]: So I've had some good realizations or what I think realizations for me and coaching others on creating separation in the different ways that you can do it, particularly because I think it's a really tricky one, especially in short turns for people to get.
01:16:52.524 --> 01:17:01.573
[SPEAKER_00]: Once you get it, you really get it, but for us, I mean that idea of the upper and lower body moving differently and how you do that,
01:17:02.347 --> 01:17:16.106
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it would be a good for people listening to this to write some comments or every listening to this, whether it be a watching on YouTube or whatever, what kind of things would you like us to share our thinking?
01:17:16.126 --> 01:17:16.266
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
01:17:16.907 --> 01:17:20.131
[SPEAKER_02]: Are there some... And the world is your oyster.
01:17:20.231 --> 01:17:29.063
[SPEAKER_02]: We'd really love to hear some of these things, but a separation thing, Tom, I think, is going to be amazing because it's a really big point of...
01:17:29.279 --> 01:17:57.818
[SPEAKER_02]: Difference sometimes with style when you're looking for it more like the structure associations were sort of Look everyone's getting really well, you know that there's always inherently a different style with some of them and some of it does come down to have a separation We have our square are we have you know, and there's a lot of people sort of with this question is like How much do I have to do and I'm always like, well, what are you trying to do?
01:17:57.950 --> 01:18:00.995
[SPEAKER_02]: how much do you think you need, how fast are you going?
01:18:01.015 --> 01:18:14.115
[SPEAKER_02]: How like, you know, and I try to veer away from there being like this, you know, we just talked about this one way to do it versus like, this is how your body, this is how your body moves.
01:18:14.356 --> 01:18:21.306
[SPEAKER_02]: And when you move your body in a certain way, this is what it does to your edges, a new direction, and all the different things involved.
01:18:21.326 --> 01:18:23.670
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's gonna be interesting to see how that,
01:18:24.055 --> 01:18:26.378
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's all this for you.
01:18:26.398 --> 01:18:49.725
[SPEAKER_00]: It's definitely, uh, and I've kind of, well, I've scheduled it for, um, as, as a webinar, so over this Aussie winter, so which we were skiing, but a lot of northern hemisphere people won't be, I've scheduled like five deep dive webinars and separations, one of them, also a few other topics, and I've done it to force myself to present it.
01:18:51.173 --> 01:19:00.482
[SPEAKER_00]: currently as I am now not thinking it's going to be the polished version, but when you have to explain it, is it down and look at a deeper?
01:19:00.522 --> 01:19:02.404
[SPEAKER_00]: You also get all these questions back.
01:19:02.805 --> 01:19:10.833
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you've just helped this push pull zone idea so much more on my head because you questioned where I wasn't explaining my thoughts as much.
01:19:10.893 --> 01:19:13.656
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm really looking forward to that.
01:19:14.096 --> 01:19:20.843
[SPEAKER_00]: But just one thing on the separation thing that really helped when I realized a strategy
01:19:21.768 --> 01:19:26.837
[SPEAKER_00]: to solve a movement problem early on in any kind of movement thing.
01:19:26.877 --> 01:19:31.345
[SPEAKER_00]: So swinging a golf club, turning your skis, same thing.
01:19:31.785 --> 01:19:40.641
[SPEAKER_00]: A strategy we use to make it simpler is we freeze degrees of motion in our body, because we have all these joints, all these moving parts.
01:19:41.322 --> 01:19:43.185
[SPEAKER_00]: And when something is new,
01:19:43.165 --> 01:20:03.958
[SPEAKER_00]: If I just lock it all together so I think the tennis serve is really because I'm not a great tennis player But I know when I'm just trying to get the ball in the spot you got to get into you know You kind of just you just use your elbow instead of like the whole body, you know from the feet up You just use your elbow and you dunk so you freeze up all places tennis
01:20:03.938 --> 01:20:04.439
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
01:20:04.459 --> 01:20:06.743
[SPEAKER_00]: And you just use one like joint.
01:20:07.525 --> 01:20:08.506
[SPEAKER_00]: And guess what?
01:20:08.707 --> 01:20:12.954
[SPEAKER_00]: It works really well because you only have to control one joint, how far apart.
01:20:12.974 --> 01:20:13.596
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
01:20:14.137 --> 01:20:20.368
[SPEAKER_00]: So then you might go shoulder elbow as you get brave up and maybe a little bit of rotation.
01:20:20.408 --> 01:20:25.457
[SPEAKER_00]: But like if you realize it's a very good strategy freezing.
01:20:25.657 --> 01:20:26.238
[SPEAKER_00]: first.
01:20:26.999 --> 01:20:30.565
[SPEAKER_00]: And as you get better, you're just trying to unfreeze unfreeze unfreeze.
01:20:31.287 --> 01:20:40.122
[SPEAKER_00]: It helps change it like from like you trying to go and get people who have really crappy separation and they just turn everything.
01:20:41.300 --> 01:21:05.890
[SPEAKER_00]: change is it's a being like okay all I'm trying to do here is bit by bit unfreeze some different joints with some different exercises at different times so I'm like going to approach it that way as opposed to like going for the gold standard of like the same big trots that somewhat like Raphael Nadal saying this is how I do myself and then I'm trying to do that and control
01:21:06.663 --> 01:21:28.042
[SPEAKER_00]: So many ranges of motion, like it's just not going to happen in your depression and so yeah, that's where I want to take the separation thing break it down So I'm really excited to work on that personally in Australia with my own skiing and and some instructors there and then present it Yeah, it's cool.
01:21:28.062 --> 01:21:34.628
[SPEAKER_02]: I like just talking about now really excited because I've always felt like
01:21:34.608 --> 01:21:45.360
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, unless you say schooled skiers, where they be instructors or just people who are really into skiing with, you know, so we're technique, we tend to get
01:21:45.728 --> 01:21:53.879
[SPEAKER_02]: pretty frozen up, especially, you know, and I think again, like language, you know, the queue is like keep your upper body stable.
01:21:54.540 --> 01:21:57.063
[SPEAKER_02]: And I've, you know, done a lot on this as well.
01:21:57.123 --> 01:22:04.854
[SPEAKER_02]: One of the things I teach a lot is like when I'm skiing, when you see my upper body is stable and my legs are doing this underneath me.
01:22:04.874 --> 01:22:08.158
[SPEAKER_02]: It's happening because my moving my upper body a lot.
01:22:08.138 --> 01:22:09.940
[SPEAKER_02]: against the forces of the turn.
01:22:09.960 --> 01:22:15.929
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's why I really liked what you sort of presented with this idea of this counter rotation and rule out.
01:22:15.949 --> 01:22:18.092
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, it's got an optical illusion.
01:22:18.212 --> 01:22:27.244
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a total optical illusion that really you can maybe put this video over if you want, but I had this video a camera on my ski or those women's ski kit.
01:22:27.224 --> 01:22:41.858
[SPEAKER_02]: when I was a cat skiing in Monashikata and it was crazy because of course that the camera was the stable point and my body is doing this on top of the camera and on top of the that the skis now of course if you've watched me skiing down the hill I was just
01:22:42.023 --> 01:22:44.747
[SPEAKER_02]: making regular turns, but I had some funny comments on that video.
01:22:44.767 --> 01:22:46.429
[SPEAKER_02]: They're going, what's really mean by discreet.
01:22:47.851 --> 01:22:52.338
[SPEAKER_02]: Because people don't, they get told, keep your body still.
01:22:52.638 --> 01:23:00.549
[SPEAKER_02]: So they freeze up that stability comes to a lot of movement, which is another thing I definitely...
01:23:00.569 --> 01:23:07.339
[SPEAKER_00]: It makes me think of just like, I always, I always ask a test, like, new thoughts about skiing against...
01:23:07.623 --> 01:23:31.639
[SPEAKER_00]: sports in general, like would this ring true as a principle in tennis, in surfing, in mountain biking, in golf, like you always keep your body still, and it's like probably not, like it's just like we're all, it's all movement based the end of the day, and all the top people, there's a similar like ability to control that and use the whole body,
01:23:32.648 --> 01:23:56.007
[SPEAKER_00]: And just this is really organized separate kind of ways that link together like I've been being out to whatever but yeah that that your explanation there just be a solution yeah the illusion makes people teach the like the illusion and then they wonder why people are not getting progress
01:23:56.324 --> 01:24:10.538
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think if you appreciate the whole body always works better when everything actually has a job and a kind of movement and that we begin by freezing at first and then we aren't freeze like you could be.
01:24:10.558 --> 01:24:12.520
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I guess that's what I thought was interesting.
01:24:12.600 --> 01:24:14.141
[SPEAKER_02]: I haven't thought about that.
01:24:14.161 --> 01:24:23.310
[SPEAKER_02]: Our clock maybe our clients aren't freezing just because they've been told to freeze or to be still they're freezing because it was easiest to learn that way.
01:24:23.881 --> 01:24:29.071
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, then we, they get to a point where they're scheme with us and they're at a much higher level.
01:24:29.251 --> 01:24:32.317
[SPEAKER_02]: We need to loosen the vibe so they can be stable.
01:24:32.618 --> 01:24:33.820
[SPEAKER_02]: So, this is stable.
01:24:34.521 --> 01:24:34.862
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:24:34.882 --> 01:24:35.864
[SPEAKER_02]: Feezing is, yeah.
01:24:36.004 --> 01:24:36.685
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway.
01:24:36.705 --> 01:24:36.806
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:24:36.826 --> 01:24:38.349
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I was a person.
01:24:38.369 --> 01:24:40.112
[SPEAKER_00]: Last, last, maybe story.
01:24:40.132 --> 01:24:45.923
[SPEAKER_00]: So the first season I got invited to go to the rookie Academy in New Zealand.
01:24:45.903 --> 01:24:49.868
[SPEAKER_00]: I got a chance to do the guest training day.
01:24:49.909 --> 01:24:54.895
[SPEAKER_00]: So every Wednesday, one of the coaches there would present a topic.
01:24:55.957 --> 01:24:59.462
[SPEAKER_00]: And so my first season there said, what do you want to do, present something?
01:25:00.543 --> 01:25:05.390
[SPEAKER_00]: And I actually back then it was around rotational separation.
01:25:06.371 --> 01:25:09.075
[SPEAKER_00]: And we started out the day.
01:25:09.292 --> 01:25:20.351
[SPEAKER_00]: by going right I want you to make turns like whatever size they are, but where you're going to try and separate from is just like the foot.
01:25:20.371 --> 01:25:25.680
[SPEAKER_00]: So you're going to try and like everything else is staying the same and you're just going to try and turn and separate only only
01:25:25.660 --> 01:25:29.026
[SPEAKER_00]: where the foot and ankle is as much as you can.
01:25:29.086 --> 01:25:31.591
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no much there, there's people sticking around in that.
01:25:31.611 --> 01:25:33.214
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we were just worked up the body.
01:25:33.234 --> 01:25:38.483
[SPEAKER_00]: So the knee can you do it and just try and think about turning everything from only the knee underneath.
01:25:38.523 --> 01:25:42.150
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the hip and then like the pelvis and lower back and then
01:25:42.653 --> 01:25:55.196
[SPEAKER_00]: the upper body so we're creating more and more separation and then like the shoulders and then even the head so like you know turning everything but only your head still looking while you're feeling like 0.80 degrees to your head.
01:25:55.216 --> 01:25:59.383
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyways we went through not like this is right or wrong.
01:25:59.403 --> 01:26:01.407
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like where can we separate from?
01:26:01.427 --> 01:26:04.813
[SPEAKER_00]: It's this unfreezing idea and everyone went through it.
01:26:05.654 --> 01:26:16.002
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the cool thing we went to the saddle is really good long steep run and then everyone just was like, right, it's over, go free ski and just use whatever you want when you want.
01:26:16.505 --> 01:26:38.040
[SPEAKER_00]: And I just remember everyone coming and saying like most people anyway, oh, I just feel like I'm skiing really well now after that warm up like I feel really loose and fluid and things are reacting well and it was just cool like that was a process of training and freezing and freezing and freezing and freezing and then just letting people go to experiment.
01:26:38.290 --> 01:26:41.937
[SPEAKER_00]: with where and where and when they used certain parts.
01:26:42.578 --> 01:26:43.920
[SPEAKER_02]: Permission to baby.
01:26:43.940 --> 01:26:46.565
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we give people commissions and moves.
01:26:46.585 --> 01:26:56.383
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, like, I, you know, I feel like I'm moving a lot, you know, it's a dance when we're skiing and when you help people understand that
01:26:56.819 --> 01:27:07.937
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, these concepts that we're talking about right now, they are very much like there's a big white lifted off their shoulders because all of a sudden it's not about stop doing this and stop doing that.
01:27:08.579 --> 01:27:11.003
[SPEAKER_02]: It's about, hey, move and let's see what happens.
01:27:11.023 --> 01:27:14.228
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, there's, there's a look experimental idea with it.
01:27:14.248 --> 01:27:14.528
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:27:15.230 --> 01:27:15.330
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:27:15.350 --> 01:27:19.396
[SPEAKER_00]: I seriously need some help with my dancing on that front.
01:27:19.417 --> 01:27:22.742
[SPEAKER_00]: We were out of friends birthday and my and Jenny is just like,
01:27:22.992 --> 01:27:27.644
[SPEAKER_00]: You can move your hips, you know, like, you know, all has got, like, it's such a thing.
01:27:27.664 --> 01:27:37.629
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's like a wish I could dance like a skid, but I just, I obviously haven't spent the time, but I need some help there because I know would feel so much.
01:27:37.930 --> 01:27:39.634
[SPEAKER_00]: So much better, but I'm a frozen,
01:27:40.340 --> 01:27:47.372
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, at the wedding, he came over and we were in a vital time.
01:27:47.392 --> 01:27:52.200
[SPEAKER_02]: But it reminded me he's like, D'Melsey, you never really told me to dance properly.
01:27:52.320 --> 01:27:54.684
[SPEAKER_02]: This is where I am.
01:27:54.785 --> 01:27:55.366
[SPEAKER_02]: Or isn't it?
01:27:55.546 --> 01:27:55.846
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:27:55.906 --> 01:27:58.711
[SPEAKER_02]: That's nice.
01:27:58.731 --> 01:27:59.192
[SPEAKER_02]: I think.
01:27:59.695 --> 01:28:00.096
[SPEAKER_00]: Cool.
01:28:00.116 --> 01:28:04.527
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, so everyone listening, there's going to be some more episodes like this.
01:28:04.568 --> 01:28:08.097
[SPEAKER_00]: Leave comments, maybe on a topic you want to talk about.
01:28:08.578 --> 01:28:16.017
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll we'll take it into consideration for sure, but we've already got some ideas really enjoyed this conversation.
01:28:16.283 --> 01:28:16.864
[SPEAKER_01]: Same.
01:28:16.944 --> 01:28:18.065
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's been really great.
01:28:18.205 --> 01:28:19.647
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let's do it again soon.
01:28:19.967 --> 01:28:28.836
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that the summer time, you know, for all this, this is, I mean, moral too busy during the winter to really be upskilling.
01:28:28.856 --> 01:28:32.520
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we're practicing our skiing as much as we can or on slow, we're training.
01:28:33.722 --> 01:28:46.155
[SPEAKER_02]: But in the off season is when I start to identify things that I want to, um, how I would have expanded my
01:28:46.473 --> 01:28:52.428
[SPEAKER_02]: go on that little journey with you guys this this summer time so let us know as a kind of thing you should like us to dive into.
01:28:53.050 --> 01:28:54.473
[SPEAKER_00]: That's right, awesome.
01:28:54.493 --> 01:28:55.295
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, DeMalza.
01:28:55.576 --> 01:28:56.920
[SPEAKER_00]: You're definitely catching up again.
01:28:56.980 --> 01:28:57.882
[SPEAKER_00]: See you on.
01:28:57.902 --> 01:28:58.283
[SPEAKER_00]: You too.
01:28:58.303 --> 01:29:00.228
[SPEAKER_00]: Next time and thanks everybody for for listening.
01:29:00.789 --> 01:29:01.832
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, thanks guys.
