Learn to ski a mogul line with Geri Tumbasz

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey skiers, welcome back to the Big Pitches skiing podcast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Today we are discussing mogul skiing and how you can get over being afraid of the bumps and actually start loving them enjoying them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And my guest on the podcast is Gary Tomas.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now Gary and I discussed mogul's and I really dig into Gary's method of how he takes people from basically being
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[SPEAKER_01]: Totally afraid, don't want to ski a bump line to being able to ski down 60 bumps in a row.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's going to talk us through his method, which is actually backed and based on the fact that he wasn't great at Moles, he had missed it himself in the past.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't really have a great way to approach it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But now he does it's fascinating really really interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a great progression He presents we dive into really what makes the guy guy tick isn't fantastic Yeah, like if you don't follow him on Instagram you should now check him out after this I think there's an awesome episode.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I personally love mogul skiing I spend a lot of time working on it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love teaching it as well and so this one is
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right here in this spot, I'm so glad I've got an excellent mogul skier and coach on the podcast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Gary Tombass, let's get into helping you ski bumps better right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It seems that you've now become this person that people go to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: when they're kind of terrified or really want help with mogul skiing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is this true?
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[SPEAKER_01]: How did this come about?
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[SPEAKER_01]: How are you like the the mogul whisperer?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's not that's not said.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so what actually happened is I struggled a lot with mogul's.
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[SPEAKER_00]: myself back in the day and I always wanted to learn it and yes it ended up in the recent years like my camps some of them get booked out because like girls and guys coming in that they are just scared of the of the type of lines.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the story behind is like I passed my level four.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I have to say, I wasn't a good, I wasn't a good, good mogul skier, I was like, and they realized it's, I'm not the only one who goes through the system, level one, level two, level three.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you have to, you have to have some eggs I'm saying in off-pist.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And moguls and bumps belong to the off-pist stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they realized this for everyone is like a jolly joker, like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have to have a good free ride run and I have to get a good rhythm change and the muggles and so the other two has to lift up my points that I passed the exam.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when I finished the whole course, actually my train I had talked to the people and do everyone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And said, like, you know, you know what is your strongest part, you focus on that one and that makes your weakness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, come on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to still learn how to do the models.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I, I, I'm not good at it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that was my trigger that just just go for it and figure it out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now I have the time I had all my exams, but I want to be a good
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[SPEAKER_00]: Basically, it's a self-experience that, yes, I struggled a lot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was frustrated a lot and I looked for people who can teach me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Would that be the first step after you've passed you like, okay, I'm going to work on my weakness.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Did you go find some like who did you find?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who helps you first, first of all?
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[SPEAKER_00]: First of all, I found Ritchie Bagga, like it's okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what happened is I ended up being of the level four.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had the chance to go to the snow sports academy as a trainer for training level once level two's and they are my boss was Ritchie Bagga.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I ended up there and was like, yep, this is the chance to learn for someone who is
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he was guru, so basically that was definitely, he was one of them who changed my mindset about the whole bump.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what year was that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: But started in 2009.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was literally running around and getting information and get some runs and find out what to change how to do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But this is one part of the story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The other part is that I traveled a lot in the last 10 years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, I ended up in Japan and in Korea, and all the influence or what I see there, how they teach, how they learn, how they practice, that definitely made my mind working on it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, what can I take home and develop my system
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[SPEAKER_00]: that works for me to teach other people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And basically, that's how the whole system ended up like figuring out, okay, I have a line, I have a tip line, a rut line, and still, I teach people to ski down there and be able and confident to start and say, okay, I can do this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the first step is always just take away the fear.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's get into this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is great because I was hoping if someone's listening whether they are a coach, they good at this or they're not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was hoping you would pass on your wisdom of this is kind of where you start and these are the problems and so you do this and then this and then this so people can have a bit of framework a bit like you're finding richy and seeing some
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[SPEAKER_01]: going practice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So someone comes along to your camp.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They really don't like muggles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're very scared.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where do we start?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's our first thing where we're being taught about what do we do?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Funny, funny, what do you say?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, yes, people don't like, but they're still come to learn this stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, this is kind of a trigger.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If someone buys in and say, I want to do this, that's already a win.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because because
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then okay, let's give it a try.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So my job is made like half a way down because they are committed to try
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I just have to make the smallest steps detailed as possible that the approach is really with so small steps that, okay, if someone is good enough, make bigger steps, but everyone has the chance to actually understand what they do, having the movement right and the movement flow in before we actually just start to narrow it down in direction to get in the line.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, so what we start, like I basically is a four-days camp and at the first day, morning, there's no bumps.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like literally what happens is I have my system from the Vege Christy Vege Parallel and I try to get people to move the legs as much as possible and and getting coordinated first.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then quicker and not that they rush the movement, so it has to fit like they have to have the coordination that in a certain space, they manage to open of edge and close and open and close and have this is a dense great so it would be going to like something not too steep groomed and you'll show us just for the listener like a wedge so it's starting like a triangle snow plow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and then for people listening, Christie is parallel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So wedge parallel, wedge parallel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now tell us why, because there's some people who might go, it's not good to do, we don't want to go back to the beginning of SnowCloud, that's what beginners do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why, why is the wedge useful at this point, Gary?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because it's all about like the corridor what we narrowed down is like one snowcat track corridor So that's the goal like the batch parallel is okay everyone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay everyone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's different different system the system But learned the batch parallel and happy to be and get rid of it What's the aim of the game here that this movement open close open and match the skis is has to happen in a corridor of a snowcat track
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[SPEAKER_00]: why we end up being with the upper body direction the value, the full line, down the hill, yes, and that means this is a basic exercise for separation where the ski turns in a different direction without turning the upper body.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is one, the other thing is that because this is a stem art, it's still pressure and stable leg on the downhill side while we already turn the ski and the ski in the new direction.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when you think about the mogul, this is where the timing goes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I have to be able top of the turn quickest possible make direction.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like hip stays there and the ski tail goes out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the main focus is there's the tip stays really in the wedge because then makes direction the new art side to keep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If I open wide, it's nothing happens so if I'm stepped on, I still have to turn.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If I do the wedge, it's already done.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So why am I matching it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: The turn is done.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The next is coming.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I win space and actually time to stabilize to the two ski.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean totally agree it's with you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just more as I just is good to talk it out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think using wedges for learning a lot of things is really useful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not going back to beginner.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just it's really useful because you can practice at slower speeds what you can't usually balance as well with skis parallel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you can get the feeling like you said you're trying
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[SPEAKER_01]: get them feeling that corridor this day in the corridor really fast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so we're doing that in a catchback corridor for the first day and you're kind of correcting, you know, some things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it's because it's a basic exercise, but so many people already struggling it, because I don't even have a wedge, but once the movement is there, you can take away the pores and balance the upper body and have core tension and move the legs, move the legs like it's really a dancing movement and develop some rhythm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we are in a corridor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we try to be in that corridor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And once the, and yes, correct thing, and having like some exercises, how to swing, how to slide, where to put the ski, like how you build up the ankle tangent to actually get the grip in the end.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And really when you match the skis, then there is a kind of a hockey stop, like it's really on the edge, and not just sliding out for the next one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is in a corridor, and once we have it, we try to make the marks of the turns as well, like the length of the turn, because the wide of the turn is a corridor, but how long does it take to actually feed the whole movement?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's still like free, until
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's where the line comes in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I build a line with gates and basically the gates signing the hockey stop part where you have to be done with the turn, two skis, parallel edge and this has to be there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So first you track the people in one corridor and then you basically
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the point when there are no bumps, but the corridor is already there and the gates are already there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And once you start the same movement, what you learn on a flat slope, on a room slope, on a little bit steeper slope, you set in a flat slope with marks on it, indicators, and then the steeper slope as well, the same.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then what happens is like, you start to practice the same veg, edge, edge, edge story and try to really fit everyone in this corridor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why you rapidly do the same thing with a group.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It depends on the conditions, but you ski out a line.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You make a muggle line.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You make a muggle line why you actually practicing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And what's the biggest advantage is at the beginning there is nothing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and every turn and every lap makes it deeper and deeper and if it's too choppy or too deep then you can even leave shape it again just a little bit more gentle but people doing still the same thing as they learned on the blue slope without anything like it's still wedge-edge wedge-edge
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[SPEAKER_00]: And from there is just question of time that how much runs you need to actually get in deep in bumps, like the shaping is getting more deeper and deeper, but people still ski to run and doing the same movement.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As long they work with the same movement flow and the timing is right and the line is right, they can ski down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's basically a mogul line skied by stamp dunes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's...
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're still... We would still be...
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's now maybe after lunch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're built.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've pushed...
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's sort of spring-ish warmer conditions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're built.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like there's snow being pushed up into moguls.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've got this line.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're all still practicing getting the...
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[SPEAKER_01]: The wedge.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And probably like you said, the timing of the...
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[SPEAKER_01]: The edge.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're not doing it too early.
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[SPEAKER_01]: we're kind of getting it on your where you've put your gates or these little flags to mark the, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the reason why this worked for me as well, because when we start to ski moguls in Austria, especially we learned this, defant last thing, this is the down movement to get small.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And what I realized, this is a misconception, like I have to be small to do the bumps.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The problem is that people focus on getting really small without an impact.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then when we end up in the bumps, then the impact comes anyway, but we are in a completely lost position.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, already small, losing tension, focusing just to get the buds down, and it's not required by the bumps, like it's not about how the Terry looks like, it's about a movement here that I have to be small, so, and because of that people go down with the center of mass and not what we want actually that the knee comes up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: yes, up by the bump.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the whole wedgie-edgy story was like, yes, I slide on and I keep the tension like the hockey stop and there's no goal that I I want to absorb something.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I go letter out to the other one because I want to keep the high line and go run in a run shape.
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[SPEAKER_00]: First, literally ski around the deepest holes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And for that, to be able to take that line, I have to keep the tangent and the pressure on the ski.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Otherwise, I just rush into the deepest hole directly, like hitting the hole on the opposite side.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the hole...
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[SPEAKER_00]: Make the direction with the top of the turn with the wedge is about, get to the other side of the corridor, make the wedge, slide in, stop sliding, go across the corridor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's the run line, how you actually find your line to do managed to go around the deepest holes there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the where's learning first this round a line.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, getting around the holes instead of going down the holes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, bam, bam, and need yeah, and then maybe being confused by this idea that you you can't ski moguls unless you absorb.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Which is not true.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes, yes, and this absorb is a second food, whatever is a food level, because it belongs to speed, and we are on the basics, like we are in the first second gear, which means like I don't want to have a lot of impact, I want to manage first line, and I want to manage first the control what I have.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the control is about how to control your speed, how to control your direction.
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[SPEAKER_00]: To go through the speed, I need some space to actually slide and build up edge and stabilize myself and prepare for the grip.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I tell the grip because I don't prepare for the impact first.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If I prepare for the grip and I try to build the grip and from there I've stabilized platform to move where I want.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This grip helps me to actually get prepared with tangent, ankle feet and everything and up body when I get some extra from the bump, I can deal with it because if people going in the line and say I have to absorb, in the mindset is always like getting soft.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I would have to give soft leg.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That means after five bumps like Duck, Duck, Duck, Duck, you get smaller, smaller until you fly out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because it's really quick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, especially these tip lines are really quick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm like, three, four meter between two turns.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, like you see the mobile skiers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So Gary, a lot of people listening will be
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[SPEAKER_01]: where there's less of this mogul line like we find in like Europe where people ski a line in where there's like one, two or three lines that everyone goes down or Japan where it's even more like just one line a lot of the time would you say this is still a really good approach no matter if it's natural mogul
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[SPEAKER_00]: What I found is like this whole line, uh, these two things, the one is that as I told you, we ski around at the beginning.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That means you have all these the chance to go around.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That means in a shape turn.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and why you get better you go more direct line direct line inside of the bomb so you end up really absorbing and go straight in the bumps so all the techniques is possible but it's always the same.
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[SPEAKER_00]: like the size of the bump is the same, the distance of the bump is the same, the steepness is the same, so it's basically a really friendly environment, and you can rapidly do the same thing over and over to get the muscles in a, get this in the muscle memory, because
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because after four days or whatever, like people training up there, you know, inside out the whole whole bump line.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, oh, this is a longer one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a short-tab on that basically is always like tap, tap, tap, tap.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have the rhythm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's nothing to change.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You look forward and you train your body to do this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You go out in the natural bump line.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and you have the tools.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have runline, you know how to keep pressure, you know how to release the tail, you know, like how to go to the direct line, but then you have one more things to do, you have to look for your line.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's where people ending up shopping.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, oh, I don't like, that's one that's too long.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is too small.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, they are luck of skills and orientation as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: because some of the bumps is just really small, some of the bumps is really long, so you can fit two turns on top and all of this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think this is a nice way to learn.
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[SPEAKER_00]: but this is not the end of the game because for me like natural bumps can go to direction.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One is you have much more space because the bump is not 3m 60 away, sometimes 5m.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So then you have time to go low and down and get small and extend your leg.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and use it to actually control your speed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But sometimes that's lost, gets also like really short, three, four turns really short, and then again a long one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I say, what I think, what helped me personally, that's a personal story, when in the lines, started to understand how to control my direction and my speed, and I started to look for the solution.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because before of that, I was always focusing on the problem.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, this is a wall, this is a deep hole, that's gonna hurt me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what people are scared.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like they're looking down and they see just a bump field and that's already like defense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they have no solution.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I sometimes I go so far like say, like the mogul skiing is like a life lesson.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As long you focus on the problem, you hit the problem.
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[SPEAKER_00]: without any solution.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you find the solution how to control your self speed direction, slide, edging, how to find the space to do that, then you have solution, then you look for the solution every single time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you go in a natural bump field and you see, okay, this is a huge bump, probably the other side is enough space to control myself and then, then, then, then, then.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you guess better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: what you can do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you have a lot of solutions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then yeah, sometimes you still hit the problem, but not always just focusing on that one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I really love this idea because I spent a lot of my seasons overseas early on in Canada and you don't have to build mobile lines.
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[SPEAKER_01]: skip that but I'm really excited to go and start building some lines first of all just like he said like go back make these steps to getting good at mogles like really small first and fix a lot of problems like you said that like timing of when the edges made how people are initiating with this uh with this method it's yeah it makes a lot of sense and then you get
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[SPEAKER_01]: of of of of things that are not changing the mobile field is not changing as much as as a natural and okay, yeah, and so that
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[SPEAKER_01]: really, really well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm convinced.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm convinced.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I have to say, like, this is not, there's no one way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If I end up in the resort where there's huge bumps, of course, I don't start to be like lines.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, I find mine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But, but you know that then you see, okay, what can I fit on this one?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And how can I teach the same things here and show people what to look for and ski the field?
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[SPEAKER_00]: But of course, then I have to look for the perfect bum to actually ski that, but this is not the only way to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's, I always say like, it's nothing wrong with the Austrian.
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[SPEAKER_00]: get small, but you have to go there that it's so steep and so long the bum that you actually have time for this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can actually easily extend your leg because you have time and you don't have to react really quickly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But then it's the bump is so much like a step that
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[SPEAKER_01]: Whereas the ones you're talking about, there's not much of a step for you to get small and slow down on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I think what you're saying there is, although you have this method really behind it or you're trying to teach people to figure out like look at the landscape, these methods work well for tackling this type of terrain and this type of bump, and then if we go to steeper
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[SPEAKER_01]: add the more skills and we train for those situations.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we don't have that, because the glacier gets smaller.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We are on a groomed slope.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have some little place to actually do something, but the mogul field as we know, it's not evolving anymore here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we have all the skin structure causes in November.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And still, on the exam, you have to ski bumps.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what happened is, we ended up skiing these lines, the tip lines.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's a horror.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because you go off-pist, what happens is, okay, tamp people in, the trainer skis down in a nice rhythm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: the guys who have the balls, they're just following him and try to keep the rhythm and the guys who are actually already scared because it's off-pist and then they can't really catch up so after three runs it turns like like craters like holes and outside there is just fresh snow so it's not really spaced you actually turn it's end up being like a straight down
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[SPEAKER_00]: up saw means like impact impact the impact and then survival.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is probably a good a good segue into that because, like I think people who can maybe have skeed this type of rut line, where it almost feels like you're in a Bob sled track,
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I want to say right now that what really got me one to speak to Gary about this is Gary actually has an online course which I'll put a link in about really helpful he goes over this whole method and even kind of constructs it so it's like a you're learning like these are the key points at this stage.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is how far apart I set my gates to Gary.
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[SPEAKER_01]: healthfully points out he says when the line is skewed too much in a certain way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you can explain this next bit, but if people skewer a certain way or the pitch is a certain steepness or or is too flat, you start getting these zip lines that are not really good for learning.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's why we very good with two because
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[SPEAKER_00]: Once you learn the whole toolset, you know how to ski, run line, you know how to go directly, you know actually how you look for space is in places where you control your speed, like basically need a slide and the edge to spray the snow and catch yourself before you get
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when you have the whole school set and you understand what you do in the round line, what you do in the street line, then you actually look down in a line like that and you can analyze immediately how the people scared it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there are many cases when you see down and you look down and you see it and it's like, this is the only way I can do it because there is no space to turn.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is just two walls and I have to fall in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what kind of tool I have to control my speed?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we go like, okay, inside of the bump or the turn of the inside.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So can we talk about that one then?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So because probably one of the most intimidating ones is the one that looks
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's no roundness.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, uh, angle wall, as you said, like, and it just looks like people have fit their skis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's no curve in it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like a straight deep, rut line.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's kind of pointing and it's not even that much across the hill.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's very hard.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can't really turn on it or your tails get hung up and you get shot out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So this zigzag wall one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What is the only real option you've got to be able to ski that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What skills that do you need?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What I look for there is always if there is a chance on the, like, when you have the, how do you feel that the inside of the world, before I hit the bottom, not outside, because there is not going to help me, but on the inside of that, if I have a chance to, to slide something in, just to push down the ski.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then it also depends how steep is the opposite side, because it's so easy to save what I always got like, okay push the tip down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to push down the air, so like there is a wall at the exit, the fear is legit that if I push down the tip, I just literally get out of my knee over the handlebars of a bike.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So to manage that, how the bottom looks like, and yes, the tip goes in, but not diving down, it's more like to manage to have the tip, like this is the outside, like the exit wall.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, you manage the tip there and keeping the little bit the pressure to actually absorb a little bit before I release This is an interesting point here like this is the ski tip and this is the wall and this is the bump here When I go down and bend the ski This is one thing, but then so many time you heard like push down the tip
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[SPEAKER_00]: But push down the tip why you are on this side of the ski, it's not gonna work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, and now we go back to the stem turn thingy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like we learn how to actually keep the pressure on the heel until it comes up and then release the heel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I'm going to describe just in case people are listening and they're not viewing it, but if I was to describe what you were saying, so you've you've come down a steep bump and then you're hitting a steep bump facing at you ideally your ski tip is kind of pressure it into it and the ski is bending a little bit as that's happening and you're sun to ride up the steep bit and by doing that, by getting the ski tip to do that,
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[SPEAKER_01]: pushing into it, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah a bit and then you're riding up this bump and the next thing I have to do is because you're going to come over the top of the back of the next step one, okay, and everyone in the main tip people of here, tips down, tips down, tips down,
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the bumps is always the same rule like that where you had the impact in which direction you get the impact and where the center of mass between this two is your footsal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's why it's the same in terms like you entered the tip of the ski, you shave the turn through the footsal and you exit the turn on the tail of the ski.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like the dolphin moves, what we do, is actually like you ski the whole ski.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like from the tip to the tail, and this was happening in the bumps, but in the bumps, of course, is a different direction.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what we want is actually that the pressure from the bump, the impact, you want to keep and hold on the foot sole, but towards the end on the heel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and to be able to release the pressure, the heel has to be front of the hip.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Otherwise, otherwise, it's underneath you, so, and the problem, what we have, but first thing first, so it has to front of you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And why you've finished the turn, so the ski tip starts to go really in the air, let's say, but the feeling is still on the bottom.
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[SPEAKER_00]: then your center of mass moving over the bump across so that's you have to manage that much pressure that you don't fall in the like don't collapse in that cloud okay yeah and you have enough space to actually actively release that pressure on the tail so if you think about that
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[SPEAKER_00]: Activating the hamstring and try to kick your butt with the bionic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kill up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd use a lot of this words in the course like heal up because what happens if you flex your knee and the hamstring is engaged, then that means that the tail goes up, the tip goes down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's not about pushing with the whole system forward to get the tip.
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[SPEAKER_00]: down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I try to use the knee as a hinge point with the hamstring to actually pull back the ski underneath me, and because of that the tip goes down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That makes the end of the ski
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the longer you are, yeah, so the long you are in this hole and the ski tail is catched by the hole, you can't make direction.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And by the time you roll over and the hole buddy comes over, it's basically too late.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's when people start to speed up a lot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay, okay, cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I guess a key point you're saying there
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[SPEAKER_01]: when people are getting in these more difficult bumps where we're having to deal with these steeper walls and steeper back sides.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And need this heel to butt, being able to use the nearer hinge to be able to then change the ski tip and release the tails.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So then you can go back to your stem kind of freedom of changing direction move.
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[SPEAKER_01]: the worst feeling is, the worst feeling is when your tails, you cannot move them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's when it goes all wrong.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because that's pretty.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because that's, you are catching in this direction like the 45, 45 like in the tip line.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you have no chance to release until you like get out from that and actually turn the ski.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I got some of the channel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the one thing is not to forget once you manage this, that the hamstring is engaged of course, by the time the food sole is on the bump, there's nothing on the tip of the ski.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So basically once you engage this, the tip automatically goes down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like it's not looking like you jump every time out with your heel up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's basically just activate the hamstring
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[SPEAKER_00]: because there is no resistance under the skitip.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's already in the air and that's why that makes like easier to so that that's what's for me the point like once I started to focus on heal up
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's everything made sense because my center of mass, like the barbed by the traveling down and I move the platform for aft, what I'm working on and all this push down the tip ended up being like going with the whole system forward.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can remember that too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can remember the season where I started to get the hamstrings working more and pulling the feet back trying to kick my bum and it making a huge difference.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess if people are not used to going in bumpy terrain where the tips do go up and down they use to ski in groomers and they love carving and they just carve, they're used to the ski not having to do that with it very much or if they do, it's like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, five degrees like tails up like, you know, not much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So this is a brand new feel, I imagine people probably come away from your camps with, oh, Gary, my hamstrings are sore after day three.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's
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[SPEAKER_00]: moment when they realize, oh, I can do this this way and they get stuck in that one and they just enjoy that now they actually ski the line.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why they come back some point or just practice them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But basically to give an idea, okay, what is the solution what you use to control yourself in this special line?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What is your goal to technique?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we end up having people like run line skiers and they really enjoy that they go around and having guys like they are full direct line on the inside because that feels good and it's looks more athletic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And basically it doesn't matter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The goal is that we have a line and you have to have like a movement floor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It brings you through 60 bumps.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you're good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So when do you introduce or where do you feel pole planning helps?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a big fan of really like that's one thing
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[SPEAKER_01]: good Japanese skis especially and I watch where how you know they're using their poles and I can see that's where I would I think I can make some some adjustments and and ski things faster and more fluidly what's your thought on pole plants.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yep that's that's a good one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: See see
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[SPEAKER_00]: especially in short turns, but basically all in the skiing, the preparation phase is the interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's where many people are late.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like if you imagine like okay of the poor plant has his effect, it's effect and you have a turning and you have a balance point and you feel better and it stabilizes your body, but then the tip it goes behind one
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that, to move forward, it's not the last moment, like it has to make a distance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what I see that the poor preparation is, basically, a lot of people is just late.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And especially to link to the bumps, what we try to do is, why the time you start to extend the tip of the poll is already front of you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You basically target the next bump.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Once the tip of the pull is targeting the next bump, you have the decision where do you want to turn.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Your upper body is stays upright.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't have to reach forward.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just the tip goes front of you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you strong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's nothing to do just the way that you get the shape done and get the next
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you can control the whole upper body and manage the transition.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Manage the transition means, yes, upper body stays strong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have a turning impulse.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can easily turn the ski around the pole means like the outside turning impulse.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And use it as a help.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you find you use like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: what like on the on four day camps do you kind of do it at at a certain point?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you go out of the moguls?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you like to do?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you go out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, work on actually.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, not being late.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you just do?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So for me, this is the preparation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you just do?
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[SPEAKER_00]: The preparation is to bring the tip forward at the same time
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[SPEAKER_00]: The angulation, let's say, like level the shoulders.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That way, because the angulation is like getting a little bit confusing, but basically that it's why you bring the tip forward, you keep your shoulders down, it means it gets leveled, and it stays leveled to have a nice position and a strong position in the, in the, in the, in the pressure phase.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, I like this, like, yes, we do this without bumps on the slope, get the tips for what have the timing right and then back to the corner and say, okay, near the gate there is the point where you want to target.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now to sell this to people because I know how much this, it doesn't seem like a wood because it's your pole and your wrist movement and it's happening, you're getting it happening early when.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're not quite at the bump yet, but sell us on this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Would, would, do you see people?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You go out, you work on the pole.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Plant prep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: you come back in the bumps and you usually find a lot of people like, oh, yes, this is bad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the reason is really simple because because normally when you ski, there is no obstacles, bumps or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what you see, people have a really nice short term, good rhythm, but the hand movement and the tip is a little
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[SPEAKER_00]: and they shaping a turn really nicely, but there is something is out of the picture.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, and it doesn't matter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is, you can call it style, you can call it armament, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The problem in the bumps is that you, on that face on the turn, you managing the pressure, you managing an extra force, you managing the impact,
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[SPEAKER_00]: you try to stay stable and strong and your tip of the pole is behind you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when there's the strength, it's behind you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is one thing that I think to prepare is already late because you are in a hole.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like on the side, it's like higher.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's really hard to bring the tip forward.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then solutions, if you lift it up and you go,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Round with the tip, then is a rotation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The body is like the body, like basically the upper body loose the stable position in the last moment when you actually should manage the pressure, the extra impact.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I watched Mogulski years and this is just amazing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, they have shorter poles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: but they are just upright jumping in, hands front of them and you don't see any movement there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They are just basically walking on the pose from the front.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why they're keeping so stable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And once something goes off, like it's immediately pushes them, punish them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's amazing to see how early that basket
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[SPEAKER_01]: is already moving ahead with the with the professional bumps gears.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's so it's just basically as soon as the weight changes happening, the new basket is almost already in France.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, I just I wanted to emphasize that because I think a lot of people maybe my go, it's not going to make as much of a difference because it's not when they feel
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you have to start thinking about this stuff early and then you'll be ready for some more control when you need it at that end point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where do you think we should go next?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we've got starting with a wedge parallel turns in a corridor, getting the right distance down the hill because you've started setting up some
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[SPEAKER_01]: some polls and then where the bomb line is built, we're starting to go parallel, we've learned a little bit about some poll preparation, any other things you'd want to
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[SPEAKER_00]: When it's basically what happens is coordination is there, the idea how to do this there, they ski the line and then let's go direct.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How to control if you know exactly what kind of impact you get from the bump, do more direct lines.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So choosing the more progressive or aggressive line.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've been going the nice round line, which is where you want to start because that's your, like you said, your first gear.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm ready.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're ready for it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Gary, let's, let's take it to the World Cup.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What are we going to do?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so then you are already parallel, you know what beach direction the ski goes so it's everything clear like, okay, this is the exit direction of every bump, like the front 90 degree.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I have to turn the ski quickly and set up the direction and slide in, let's say, in the hole in the deepest point and then turn to the other direction and this is more like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: what I experience is more like the imagination.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like the first time when people start to do this is the same question comes on wait, wait, wait, we learned on the outside how to control speed on top of the turn and how to make the direction.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now you told me like stay on the high line and go across the corridor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now you completely go in the other direction, say no, no, no, no.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you don't want to get out of the side of the corridor you want to imagine that your ski boot is in the middle and you don't let you drag out of that you try to imagine that you have like a wave of path ahead of you and just on the inside you have some
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[SPEAKER_00]: little slopes where you can scrape down the snow and that's your control and then turn quicker and don't let you go too far out because then you lose this control and for that it's like the imagination you go straight in and you push basically in the turn but not lateral is more like
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[SPEAKER_00]: And once the control is there, it's a lot of, it's ultimately happens that it's a lot of new movement comes, like because the impact is there, but it's not the idea that I'm going to get want to get small, like actually in this whole bump skiing and rutline skiing, the question is how to stay long.
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[SPEAKER_00]: is the impact is coming anyway, so how quick I can be to actually extend my leg again against the next impact to absorb.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and I always tell the guys like if you if you go with a mountain bike and you have the the shock absorber this is it but the shock absorber is load with gas so there is a tension and this tension gets an extra and because this extra gun that's how you can actually extend so quickly yes
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I have a few tricks to understand this, but what I want from the guys, don't go straight in and think about getting smaller and go soft because then after five bumps, you are flying out because it hits you smaller and smaller.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Have a certain position, have a tension and try to use that little turns and the little slides to scrap scrap scrapes to adjust your speed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we always start at the beginning just literally slide in the hole and turn and slide in the hole on the inside of the bump like visualizing and also feel how much space you have where to turn the ski, not too early, not too late.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then these are already like run line straight line and the rest is combination.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They made me think that some of the best success I've had with people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: getting them better at moguls was in Japan where we had access to a mogul tank like mogul waves.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And at this stage,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just like you'd be out of start of the wedge, Kristi won.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This, the mogul wave is almost like the easy version of learning the straight line, because you take away the angles, and you just have to really work on people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like not staying in the compressed suspension, actually getting the suspension long again and the timing of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you have access to, do you ever get mogul waves built at resorts?
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's too long, you know?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, maybe things are too long.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been in Japan, I saw your video as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And like, in Japan, you have all this kind of terrain and access to actually practice so many things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But they have also a culture, and the culture means like you see this mogul lines on mogul fields, and if that gets really chopped off or scary, then people just stop and they slide it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They fix it, they shape it, they make a nice environment to learn.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the moment that is in Europe a little bit missing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: ski resort owners in the world big ones if you're spending so much money on terrain parks I think it wouldn't be that hard to put in
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[SPEAKER_01]: and maintain a mogul wave line for adults who don't want to hit boxes and massive jumps.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not going to cost as much as having that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like just put that in a terrain park?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I really think they're missing out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The people that often buy the kids ski passes to go to the terrain park are the adults and to be nice if they had some mogul waves to practice in a safe way and a progression for them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then the slopes, the groom's slopes would be safer because not everyone would be skiing groomed slopes all the time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They could go off and ski moguls with spread out and have an interesting time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Anyways, that's my rant.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but it's funny that you mentioned that because like last year, I started my ski school with my business partner here, the cold candy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And because I've worked so much in the last years in this lines,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now we have the chance actually to manage the muggle field.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So since last season we have on the Kichstanhorn and muggle field, what is basically 5, 3, 2, 5 lines like this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, the resort investing in this one, to actually do something for the skin structures, for the rookies, for people who just want to do something, because the glacier itself, when it's open, it's flat, and it's boring.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, some point like this is one point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What I realized in the last two years, I had different kind of camps in the past and November ended up being a short-term camp or the mogul camp.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The reason exactly what you just mentioned,
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[SPEAKER_00]: and a gondola and the resort is amazing they put so much capacity in there that there's no lines at the tea bar there is no queue at the gondola but that means everyone is on the slopes at the same time and and that's when I like just book my line in the mobile field that 60 turned his mind yeah nobody crossing me and that's when we can actually work on so that
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[SPEAKER_00]: got to the point that now we have the chance to do it five times, so because that would be the nice point when we have like five lines, it's actually done, it's a mobile field.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can do stuff like changing lines or skiing, got the turn shape and that's more like the natural
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[SPEAKER_01]: There are some places that are doing that, I don't know, in Australia, Threadbow when we have a problem in Australia with just lack of snow and space for it, but they are trying at times to put it in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have a mogul
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[SPEAKER_01]: line that, you know, usually three lines and they pay someone to do some maintenance on it, which is, which is good, but no, a lot of places don't have that capacity.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, I wish there was more investment in that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think there would cover a bunch of good reasons, safety, more options, like you said, early season, you know, not everyone crowding.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, some good things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The lack of snow is the means also that is no off-pist.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So everyone is on the slopes, and it's a nice challenge.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it runs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You challenge yourself, it's fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Once you have this experience, I can do this, it's fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: OK, can you give us some maybe any stories of client you've had that have turned from all my goodness,
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[SPEAKER_01]: because I would love, you know, so many people think moguls, all my knees, you know, you see on Instagram, all that hurts my knees watching it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't totally agree.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, if you have really bad knees in the first place, but it doesn't have to be that way, yes, and any good success stories from clients going through them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, can anyone come up with your mind, because it's funny that when I started this like the mogul and bump camp ended up in this line and I developed, it's evolving still like what can I teach, how can I teach and what is everything possible above above above
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[SPEAKER_00]: But of course, it got viral at some point that people come in, they are scared, and they leave the first four days that they can actually ski down 60 terms, where they say, like, I never thought that I can do this one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had skiing instructor Rookis who said, like, if you tell me that after two hours, I was going to ski down this line with the stem turn without poles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I say you crazy, so it gives people confidence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And from that point, they want to get more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, I see the guys out of like, we have really teams and the clubs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were working like, like, world cup level skiers that kind of technique.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I see my clients signing up there and they go with the tiny skis, short pulls, and they practicing that one as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that means like it opens up a new world.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just because, okay, if I can manage this, I can manage that one as well as who, and that's, that's the goal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not always the goal that people coming to for me every time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's so many things out there that you can learn.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you see them like, okay, from the, sorry, from the sheet scared to actually sign up to a mogul course, that's it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That feels good for me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, and I think it proves to the point that that you, you just need a methodology, like you said, you need the solutions to these problems and then you can focus on the solution, practice it, and you will get better, like humans,
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[SPEAKER_01]: do triple backflips like you know we just need little steps a little bit more a little bit more if the steps too big we we get scared and you've managed to really do a great job of developing small steps for people yeah like as long you are in the fight flight mode it's not going to work and now I was always with everything like break down to the smallest details that I have the
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[SPEAKER_00]: and but I need the smallest details.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, do you know, I've, I also wanted to spend some time, so I'm, that mogul section really, really helpful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think a lot of people are going to get a lot out of that, and I would say if you want to really have it structured and it's hard to, you know, you've got the overview from, from Gary here, but he's
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[SPEAKER_01]: So then people can learn to do this themselves and know each of the steps.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But Gary, I've loved your transitions in a lot of your turns when I watch you on on Instagram and two things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love short turns and carving.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You just have a very good felt sense of managing the pressure and being able to get very low,
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[SPEAKER_01]: back seat and you look very balanced.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, in this transition point, have you practiced a lot of like being in a low position?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you know what I mean in your car turns like you have this really low and then your ski tips go way way way out and wide.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then they come back on to you and like there's bendy stretchy thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, did you, is that a deliberate thing was there someone that kind of taught you about that or a style you saw and you went, I want to practice and get good at that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was a style, like all was like got up here of the Japanese and also because in Austria's everything like up forward, up forward, up forward, up and then then some point they just okay have reduced the the vertical movement but it's nobody talks about yeah what what to change actually to reduce that
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, or not many information about that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I literally, I find, okay, Japanese technique I like.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like that I have long legs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to show that they are out there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I am 182, this is what my unique selling point will be, that my legs are out there and my hip is close to the ground and in the transition, I was like, yeah, but if I go too far up, then it takes time to get low again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and it doesn't feel really like stabilised or really embalanced, so I started to work yes a lot on really getting low.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and small with the 90 degree and doesn't need too much to go to the to the to the world cup skiers and see martial hearsher after the release just flying the ski hovering and the knees higher than the hip in a slalom gate and I was like, hmm okay that that's makes sense because actually the pressure is released
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he used that reserve to actually get on the side.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the faradiski away from me in the lower center of mass, the more edging I get, and then more you can turn cover around early.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and cover under early and shorten the radius of what the ski has as much as possible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I worked, yes, I worked a lot on that one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it did a lot of bend stretch turns at like different speeds, like overdoing it would you say yeah yeah like I started to overdoing it and you know when you learn something and you see like if I look back my video is a weird style and I know exactly why like you always jump to the other side of the horse a little bit means like you start to feel it
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[SPEAKER_01]: and then you start to exaggerate it and it's neat time to find your your comfort zone like okay what makes actually sense yes can I pause you there I I think that is I want people to just I think that's a very useful thing to be aware of when learning something new and people often stop partway through getting there because they feel maybe embarrassed
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[SPEAKER_01]: Almost like he's like you're doing something a bit strange and weird and so if you've got all that's too out of there These my friend is saying why are you sitting back?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're saying you just go through it because like this is I did the same thing with I was trying to get really fast like three turns on one mogul And it looks like an idiot just arms and wiggling my bum everywhere But after like two seasons it starts going away getting better getting better so anyway back to your story I think you have to push it through looking silly
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, like, yes, and that's what, that's, okay, two points.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The one is that you have to know your, your boundaries.
01:05:17.850 --> 01:05:28.175
[SPEAKER_00]: It means like, how far can I go with something that it makes no sense anymore, if this punishes me, or it's not working, or I cannot manage anymore.
01:05:28.195 --> 01:05:34.278
[SPEAKER_00]: So, once you go in an extreme, then you know, this is the maximum.
01:05:35.408 --> 01:05:42.873
[SPEAKER_00]: So where is actually a clinically what fits of my body and my muscles and my movements to actually manage this?
01:05:43.894 --> 01:06:00.346
[SPEAKER_00]: But this is a game like play with it, like going an extreme, goob, but down on and feel that how much range you have, what is the maximum range of the flexion, what is the extension is always easier.
01:06:01.827 --> 01:06:03.328
[SPEAKER_01]: But the flexion is a hard one.
01:06:03.835 --> 01:06:10.945
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, actually from the really begging you think you lower and it's nothing like you're not every night
01:06:11.995 --> 01:06:36.908
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and the eggs are like this, so you have to, and it feels weird and people think it's looks weird, that's why it's easy to sign up for a camp, because this guy told me to do that, I have to do that, like, and I literally think that it makes sense that people are buying
01:06:40.684 --> 01:06:49.651
[SPEAKER_00]: but is in on their benefits, but if I tell them okay let's go out there and do it alone no way.
01:06:50.011 --> 01:07:01.500
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to embarrass myself like it doing this here, but that's why the technique comes out really nice because you have a few people together, laughing each other,
01:07:02.240 --> 01:07:15.166
[SPEAKER_00]: And each other, and trying things like the sitting turn, like falling, like bodycarve, like all things, but it's alone is also like not necessarily safe if nobody's watching that someone comes from the day.
01:07:15.266 --> 01:07:19.928
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there's so many safety aspects to be in the group and do, yeah, see the things.
01:07:22.356 --> 01:07:30.406
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so that's definitely my way of learning the contrast, the contrast range of motion or what actually I have.
01:07:31.507 --> 01:07:35.151
[SPEAKER_00]: And the transition is definitely something I've worked a lot.
01:07:35.932 --> 01:07:36.393
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:07:36.833 --> 01:07:37.634
[SPEAKER_00]: You can see it.
01:07:38.495 --> 01:07:43.261
[SPEAKER_00]: Worked a lot on left, left turn, right, left turn, and the turn is actually the stable part.
01:07:43.942 --> 01:07:51.512
[SPEAKER_00]: You have the force, you are in balance, you travel on the ski, you are just a little bit, but you have everything there, and the turn is done.
01:07:52.272 --> 01:07:54.976
[SPEAKER_00]: And this stability you want to leave.
01:07:56.137 --> 01:08:00.660
[SPEAKER_00]: and get entering the next turn and in between what happens, that's actually the key.
01:08:01.661 --> 01:08:14.609
[SPEAKER_00]: How can I change the turn shape, the early edging, the pressure, the weight shift, there's so many things how to approach to get the next turn right and done and early stable.
01:08:15.370 --> 01:08:19.893
[SPEAKER_00]: Because on that moment, I have an outside force acting me.
01:08:20.273 --> 01:08:24.456
[SPEAKER_00]: So I have to create that first, and once I create, I have to deal with it.
01:08:25.387 --> 01:08:26.848
[SPEAKER_00]: So what I cooked, I have to eat.
01:08:26.968 --> 01:08:29.150
[SPEAKER_00]: So basically, I'm not cooking.
01:08:31.332 --> 01:08:37.237
[SPEAKER_00]: So basically that's the idea of the transition that there is so much to do and try.
01:08:38.050 --> 01:08:53.954
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's different me, up high, up forward, inward, with extension, or without extension, pedal, flexion extension, or flex bolts, and allowed the need to come toward the chest.
01:08:54.895 --> 01:09:01.136
[SPEAKER_00]: These are all tools you fit in your skin.
01:09:02.057 --> 01:09:07.298
[SPEAKER_01]: Was there someone, I know you said the Japanese Koreans really inspired you,
01:09:08.064 --> 01:09:17.289
[SPEAKER_01]: with this and then Marcel Hirscher, did you have any, any other skiers that really helped you like feel something new?
01:09:17.309 --> 01:09:29.555
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, can you or even can you remember when you really got out of the awkward phase of like going too far and you're like, ah, and an insight, any insights there?
01:09:29.615 --> 01:09:35.278
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I guess I'm asking, were there any little secret moments, any awesome like light bulb moments for you?
01:09:36.153 --> 01:09:41.763
[SPEAKER_01]: for how you like to make a really dynamic load transition carving.
01:09:43.142 --> 01:10:07.319
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, like that's more like a story of how to pick up information or how and how and and drills like I'm like you do drills and you try to get out something from the drill so it's always a purpose and why I travel to Japan, Korea, wherever it doesn't matter
01:10:13.462 --> 01:10:31.105
[SPEAKER_00]: and like the load transition or also the single-linked single turns when you basically do your full carving turn and you don't drop in the next turn you basically make the turn and then you traverse the slope.
01:10:32.071 --> 01:10:49.036
[SPEAKER_00]: with a low position like 90 degree hands forward and try to just flat the ski and don't make any direction and how long can you keep the ski like going across the slope on flat until you basically just before goes off the gravity you just drop in.
01:10:51.037 --> 01:10:55.839
[SPEAKER_00]: And that made me feel like, okay, it's not about shift and shift.
01:10:56.399 --> 01:11:05.164
[SPEAKER_00]: It's about you have the 50-50 phase and then you build like grip and then you immediately get the feedback from the ski.
01:11:05.284 --> 01:11:16.129
[SPEAKER_00]: Once you have grip the ski react and then you build up the position and the turn and you push down, heal the yourself for example in a carving to say,
01:11:17.784 --> 01:11:42.049
[SPEAKER_00]: it's a lot of like looking around and being open to to try weird stuff and yeah yeah did someone give you that idea that that one to play with specifically like as I told you I skied a lot of with Richie okay and he was for me like the connection between the Japanese
01:11:47.853 --> 01:11:59.282
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's not only him, like in Korea, I have a good friend who explained how Korean look at the technical scheme and what they go to.
01:12:00.403 --> 01:12:09.970
[SPEAKER_00]: And to do that, I realize they have to be in a lower position, otherwise it's not working, like they really on the inside knee work very much.
01:12:12.512 --> 01:12:13.092
[SPEAKER_00]: Also,
01:12:14.253 --> 01:12:29.692
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the four-invard movement, like the early hip alignment, and I mean like the rotation of the hip top of the turn into the new turn, and progressively much progressively more progressively than I ever before.
01:12:30.763 --> 01:12:37.726
[SPEAKER_00]: to actually get quicker, ready to take the force, load the G force.
01:12:38.326 --> 01:12:38.747
[SPEAKER_00]: What I get?
01:12:39.447 --> 01:12:49.631
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's small things, but there's really an eye-openerant and the changing moments when you work, like, yeah.
01:12:50.132 --> 01:12:51.212
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:12:51.272 --> 01:12:57.035
[SPEAKER_01]: So it seems like that that willingness, the curiosity of seeing
01:13:00.737 --> 01:13:08.983
[SPEAKER_01]: There must be something in it and you're going to go, you've taken that and taken that drill and broken it down and worked on it a lot until you discovered what the...
01:13:09.484 --> 01:13:13.406
[SPEAKER_01]: the cool new little feeling in there is that you can then put into your skin.
01:13:14.167 --> 01:13:22.731
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I like the inter-ski congress idea that all the nations coming together and you can learn from everyone like, okay, what's the approach there?
01:13:23.011 --> 01:13:25.373
[SPEAKER_00]: How to how to how to do that?
01:13:25.453 --> 01:13:27.594
[SPEAKER_00]: Why they teaching this way or that way?
01:13:27.994 --> 01:13:32.917
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's so many things involved, like what kind of conditions they have.
01:13:33.097 --> 01:13:35.298
[SPEAKER_00]: Like in Japan you have always soft conditions.
01:13:38.060 --> 01:13:51.434
[SPEAKER_00]: You see that how they explain stuff that you can do that because you have always the top 5cm on the snow is soft Yeah, try to do it in Austria and the ice or in Italy on the Compa groomers is a little bit different that's
01:13:52.595 --> 01:14:09.009
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so the whole difference is really, really nice to actually implement in your skiing, practicing, training, teaching, whatever, to actually you do with it, it's just nice to build in and try.
01:14:10.170 --> 01:14:15.674
[SPEAKER_01]: So Gary, is there anything you would say, want to say that I haven't
01:14:22.193 --> 01:14:41.855
[SPEAKER_01]: do we have in cover to you thought Tom you should have asked about this uh... you have time because you had the the question of the tennabakh yeah okay well this is something we share in in common a bit with both telemark i don't really do what i've done in years
01:14:42.654 --> 01:14:53.897
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so tell it tells about telemarking for you what what say it was a question on the list like like if if telemark skiing what I'm doing with it and what and I think
01:14:55.126 --> 01:14:58.168
[SPEAKER_00]: That's changed a lot if my learning experience.
01:14:59.268 --> 01:15:00.589
[SPEAKER_00]: And skiing as well.
01:15:00.669 --> 01:15:04.011
[SPEAKER_00]: So I started telemarking in the mid-90s.
01:15:04.531 --> 01:15:10.874
[SPEAKER_00]: And because I was young, it's structured, and someone called me like, if you are that good, this is it.
01:15:11.355 --> 01:15:12.755
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a little bit boot here.
01:15:12.995 --> 01:15:15.177
[SPEAKER_00]: It is free-pim binding and go for it.
01:15:16.337 --> 01:15:35.547
[SPEAKER_00]: and that time came in the the first carving skis we've been the first one who actually mounted like slalom skis with 12 meter radius with 10 centimeter riser plates and and all this but basically what what the telama gives you that the free hill is
01:15:36.940 --> 01:15:44.784
[SPEAKER_00]: is much more freedom, but it's also because of the balance, it's much more movement freedom, but it's not that stable.
01:15:44.824 --> 01:15:59.112
[SPEAKER_00]: So you have to have the feeling on time what you actually do timing wise, pressure wise, position, active doors, reflection, edge to edge like big toe side edge, little toe side edge.
01:15:59.893 --> 01:16:04.295
[SPEAKER_00]: And because of the bending and flexing boot, you have so much
01:16:05.696 --> 01:16:10.561
[SPEAKER_00]: from your foot, sol, wasn't it when an alpine skiing is not possible?
01:16:11.722 --> 01:16:17.427
[SPEAKER_00]: But once you have it, then you realize that in alpine skiing you do exactly the same thing.
01:16:19.069 --> 01:16:22.712
[SPEAKER_00]: Receptors, your sensation is just a different level.
01:16:23.433 --> 01:16:26.015
[SPEAKER_00]: What actually had to happen in the ski boot,
01:16:29.301 --> 01:16:36.104
[SPEAKER_00]: how you build tension, run your ankle, how to tip the ski, how you roll the ski, where the pressure goes, why are you on the heel?
01:16:36.304 --> 01:16:53.131
[SPEAKER_00]: Which, what does it mean that you, you are on the heel, but not on the calf pressure, you have a horsey flexion, like all this is with a basic talama, gives you so much, then it opens up and you will, in our pain skiing.
01:16:54.051 --> 01:16:56.232
[SPEAKER_01]: So what's interesting, what you've made me realize
01:16:58.600 --> 01:17:20.770
[SPEAKER_01]: telemarked before i alpine so i was alpine resolved a new thing so all these things just saying to me i was like i'm realizing i took a little bit for granted in alpine because like you said the telemarked stuff like i had to figure out to try and carve this ski but not have my heel locked in how to get
01:17:21.765 --> 01:17:25.926
[SPEAKER_01]: heal pressure, but be, but, but get the front of the ski also engaged.
01:17:26.046 --> 01:17:37.470
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so it's so true is that if, like, if you really want to learn about feeling what you got to do with your ankles and feet, I guess, tell them, I will teach you pretty quickly or you'll, or you'll just really run the time.
01:17:37.490 --> 01:17:37.770
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:17:39.667 --> 01:17:51.652
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like I have programs where we ski with racers and it's all about how to maintain those reflection and the food soul pressure or how to keep the heels down.
01:17:52.372 --> 01:17:59.595
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's actually the old equipment money was even trickier because it pulled up your heel.
01:18:00.356 --> 01:18:01.476
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I know.
01:18:01.716 --> 01:18:05.398
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the new equipment is keeping down there, but then
01:18:06.598 --> 01:18:14.537
[SPEAKER_00]: how to maintain the shin tension and how to maintain those reflection that much that you actually feel where you are.
01:18:15.891 --> 01:18:18.473
[SPEAKER_00]: to the point in that how can you play with it?
01:18:18.893 --> 01:18:40.986
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I gonna, like, you know the mogul course now, but there comes a video where I do short turns on the telemark equipment parallel to show actually how much time and how much activation you have to release the heel, the basically in a short turn actively healing up
01:18:45.389 --> 01:18:55.396
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's for me is important because that was the time when I realized how quick you have to be back with your heel, not to face plan that one.
01:18:56.296 --> 01:18:57.817
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's a music thing.
01:18:57.898 --> 01:18:58.418
[SPEAKER_01]: I like that.
01:18:59.475 --> 01:19:05.038
[SPEAKER_00]: because basically what happens if you pull back, you have a hovering face and you do whatever you want.
01:19:05.939 --> 01:19:15.484
[SPEAKER_00]: But once the outside force coming and it has an affect on you, that means the ski will be pushed.
01:19:15.524 --> 01:19:21.507
[SPEAKER_00]: So if your feet is not solidly with the foot sol down, then it bends another way.
01:19:21.587 --> 01:19:23.729
[SPEAKER_00]: Then it's a face plan with Telabar.
01:19:23.889 --> 01:19:24.449
[SPEAKER_00]: That's it.
01:19:24.529 --> 01:19:25.229
[SPEAKER_00]: It's forward.
01:19:26.430 --> 01:19:48.102
[SPEAKER_00]: That teased me a lot, that very is actually the middle of the ski and how to keep the pressure and on time back on the ski, like the way shift, how much time I have to actually hover from one turn to the other one from one pressure next pressure and practice like in that time I can do whatever I want.
01:19:48.822 --> 01:19:53.565
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I, but the time frame is exactly there, if you do it.
01:19:54.599 --> 01:19:59.460
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't, like I said, yeah, and yes, I brought it in the moguls as well.
01:19:59.601 --> 01:20:00.381
[SPEAKER_00]: That was fun.
01:20:01.601 --> 01:20:14.345
[SPEAKER_01]: So just so I make sure people understand that, yeah, you're using telemark equipment because that allows more freedom to really exaggerate, not having the heel down.
01:20:14.985 --> 01:20:16.065
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yes, yeah.
01:20:16.306 --> 01:20:16.406
[SPEAKER_01]: So
01:20:24.758 --> 01:20:29.501
[SPEAKER_01]: and then just when it changes from that down.
01:20:29.621 --> 01:20:30.822
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that right?
01:20:30.902 --> 01:20:34.145
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it's it's correct in a way.
01:20:34.945 --> 01:20:42.030
[SPEAKER_00]: The thing is with this floating the heel is that in the telama aboot you are buckled on fully.
01:20:42.831 --> 01:20:49.695
[SPEAKER_00]: So actually what there happens is fully on so the heel is fixed in the boot itself
01:20:54.455 --> 01:20:54.795
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
01:20:55.636 --> 01:20:55.877
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:20:56.017 --> 01:21:00.381
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not that I pushed down the four foot of the technique.
01:21:00.521 --> 01:21:00.842
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
01:21:00.902 --> 01:21:01.242
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no.
01:21:01.763 --> 01:21:03.965
[SPEAKER_00]: It's actually pulling back the skis.
01:21:04.165 --> 01:21:09.911
[SPEAKER_00]: The whole four foot pressure I get in a doorsiflexion because I pull underneath me.
01:21:10.191 --> 01:21:10.452
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
01:21:11.493 --> 01:21:23.065
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's when it comes to your passive pressure let's say because the ski tip is there that means the ski tip pushing actually on on the four foot on the four foot.
01:21:23.145 --> 01:21:23.385
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:21:23.646 --> 01:21:23.846
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:21:24.226 --> 01:21:30.513
[SPEAKER_00]: So and and that's created by pulling back and engaging the hamstring and an end.
01:21:31.236 --> 01:21:31.616
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:21:32.477 --> 01:21:35.218
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's the idea.
01:21:35.238 --> 01:21:45.602
[SPEAKER_00]: So in the telemark, the heal is floating completely different, like it's because there is like a range of motion with the magnetic much more.
01:21:45.782 --> 01:21:46.062
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
01:21:46.282 --> 01:21:46.683
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:21:46.883 --> 01:21:47.503
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:21:47.783 --> 01:21:49.924
[SPEAKER_01]: Not the range of motion inside the boot.
01:21:50.424 --> 01:21:50.604
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:21:50.964 --> 01:21:51.985
[SPEAKER_01]: You're playing with yes.
01:21:52.105 --> 01:21:52.405
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:21:52.445 --> 01:21:52.665
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:21:52.705 --> 01:21:52.925
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:21:52.965 --> 01:21:53.245
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:21:53.325 --> 01:21:54.406
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I agree with.
01:21:54.586 --> 01:21:55.887
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:21:56.007 --> 01:21:56.887
[SPEAKER_01]: I've been playing with that.
01:21:57.432 --> 01:22:16.715
[SPEAKER_01]: Not on my telemark, excuse me, for a while, but in my alpine skiing, this idea of dorsiflexion, but yeah, release more freedom of the tail at a certain point to be out of move it and place it and then then have and what I like about that too is I like.
01:22:18.313 --> 01:22:24.175
[SPEAKER_01]: then when it comes down, there's more of a ramp-up instead of a... Yeah.
01:22:24.295 --> 01:22:26.075
[SPEAKER_01]: It's more... Boom!
01:22:26.275 --> 01:22:29.616
[SPEAKER_01]: Just like coming down, like, in a sprinting... Bam!
01:22:29.916 --> 01:22:30.296
[SPEAKER_01]: Bam!
01:22:30.536 --> 01:22:30.856
[SPEAKER_01]: Bam!
01:22:30.916 --> 01:22:31.796
[SPEAKER_01]: That kind of feeling.
01:22:31.836 --> 01:22:37.618
[SPEAKER_01]: And... Yeah, because you can kind of load your body as well as the skis that feels like...
01:22:38.662 --> 01:22:39.183
[SPEAKER_01]: with that.
01:22:39.884 --> 01:22:49.876
[SPEAKER_00]: Like like because because you pull back it's basically that the tip is engaged, you should bend the tip of the ski that you bend the ski front of the binding.
01:22:50.757 --> 01:22:53.441
[SPEAKER_00]: That's only possible with the R-Pine gear.
01:22:53.881 --> 01:23:07.859
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because the telemark doesn't give you this, but that's for me the the eye opener that because you can actively bend the tip it means the landing you can adjust when you actually
01:23:08.800 --> 01:23:23.246
[SPEAKER_00]: get there and how much time you have there, how much time longer I have with the alpine ski because the heel is fixed to the binding so I actually can bend the ski and landing on the trumbly.
01:23:23.786 --> 01:23:26.007
[SPEAKER_00]: It's already the landing itself is like
01:23:26.447 --> 01:23:47.756
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, with the with the telemark is nothing there like it's just clapping and this Yeah, if you are on the hill, if you are too late, you are on your nose that that's simple Yeah, but yeah, this is this is more about pulling back push forward Back drive forward the feet the foot so yep.
01:23:48.456 --> 01:23:52.678
[SPEAKER_01]: I can really can I can now imagine your short turns I can really see that
01:23:54.403 --> 01:23:55.363
[SPEAKER_01]: in your short turns.
01:23:56.704 --> 01:24:04.105
[SPEAKER_01]: Very Dolphiny kind of style movement, but with the lower transition looks really cool.
01:24:06.025 --> 01:24:13.087
[SPEAKER_01]: Alright, I don't want to keep you too much longer, but Gary, thank you so much for your time.
01:24:13.567 --> 01:24:17.267
[SPEAKER_01]: I really hope people have got a lot out of this and are inspired
01:24:20.687 --> 01:24:32.558
[SPEAKER_01]: I think people listening are probably gonna go, how do I ski with this guy, I'll leave some links down, but can you please give a shout out to your ski school and your camps and maybe your website.
01:24:32.818 --> 01:24:38.483
[SPEAKER_01]: So people can come find you and come do some crazy weird drills and get better at skiing with you.
01:24:39.544 --> 01:24:43.027
[SPEAKER_00]: So my website is snorsportsgerry.com.
01:24:44.404 --> 01:24:47.466
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you tip my name, then you're going to find me.
01:24:47.806 --> 01:24:54.731
[SPEAKER_00]: I have some camps around the globe, basically from Austria, Italy to New Zealand in the summer.
01:24:55.431 --> 01:24:56.832
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm happy to see you there.
01:24:58.013 --> 01:25:02.516
[SPEAKER_00]: And yes, I've started to build kind of online courses.
01:25:03.897 --> 01:25:05.378
[SPEAKER_00]: They are like detailed.
01:25:06.118 --> 01:25:08.860
[SPEAKER_00]: progressions to different things.
01:25:08.940 --> 01:25:15.165
[SPEAKER_00]: Now the mogul field building is more like necessary to do because it helps a lot of people.
01:25:15.205 --> 01:25:17.427
[SPEAKER_00]: So I hope to see you there.
01:25:18.347 --> 01:25:26.153
[SPEAKER_00]: And the shout out I decided to make like an offer all of you who listened to this.
01:25:26.353 --> 01:25:31.597
[SPEAKER_00]: There was once a time, a lifetime access pass.
01:25:32.418 --> 01:25:47.839
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, if you listen to this, then till I don't know what we talk about when the podcast goes online, but I leave you like a good 10 days if you sign up, then you can have this lifetime access report.
01:25:49.365 --> 01:26:11.739
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, thunder, thunder, access, because once like now, the first module is ready, the next module goes online next week, but it's so much to do that it's definitely going to be on another price track some point, but not for you, say, I hope I can convince you a little bit in this one.
01:26:12.441 --> 01:26:12.881
[SPEAKER_01]: Nice.
01:26:13.081 --> 01:26:13.762
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, awesome.
01:26:13.842 --> 01:26:32.671
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you've got cold candy as well, is that cold candy is in our street and now we try to build like a brand to do this technical camps from the very basics, like ski school, technical camps and also the ski instructor training.
01:26:33.942 --> 01:26:40.988
[SPEAKER_00]: and we have now New Zealand Accords, we go to Georgia, we go differently, sister, basically.
01:26:42.770 --> 01:26:47.894
[SPEAKER_00]: Enjoy skiing and experience a lot more in this industry and skiing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Awesome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, my final question to you before we say goodbye is if there was anyone living or dead that you could go skiing with and learn from who would it be.
01:27:03.595 --> 01:27:06.778
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's the tricky question, because I did this.
01:27:09.360 --> 01:27:14.584
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm living a life where I basically can go and ski with people.
01:27:14.604 --> 01:27:20.048
[SPEAKER_00]: So I had a chance to ski with Takoha Maria Ma, I have the ski.
01:27:20.308 --> 01:27:24.311
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, Richie, I had many good skiers in Austria around me.
01:27:25.933 --> 01:27:35.086
[SPEAKER_00]: Benevolve from the young guys to all the ones say if I have to point the name actually I would like to go to Italy
01:27:36.133 --> 01:27:44.601
[SPEAKER_00]: There are some really cool guys Nikolow Columbia, I would like to ski, he doesn't new about this.
01:27:45.522 --> 01:27:45.782
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
01:27:45.962 --> 01:27:56.852
[SPEAKER_00]: First time, but I would like to ski with him at some point, because he's an amazing racer, and I, from Italy, I had the chance to ski with Stefano Belingeri.
01:27:58.594 --> 01:28:15.123
[SPEAKER_00]: amazing guy, amazing skier, and all the projects that stuff, you know, like Riley, the good friend of mine's here, he was here to ski a few days, it's, I mean, I'm really privileged to have the chance to ski with good skiers.
01:28:16.064 --> 01:28:21.167
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's no one name, I could guess, it's just the next one.
01:28:22.453 --> 01:28:23.874
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that is awesome.
01:28:24.214 --> 01:28:25.235
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you can see it.
01:28:25.315 --> 01:28:31.780
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean if we ski some point together as well not only online Yes, yeah, I hope so too.
01:28:31.920 --> 01:28:33.561
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'll be in New Zealand just for a little bit.
01:28:33.601 --> 01:28:43.047
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a family holiday, but in July I'm not I'm not sure if you're gonna be I rookies then but I'll be over there mid July Might be a bit early.
01:28:43.368 --> 01:28:45.129
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just I'm just flying in in 17.
01:28:45.149 --> 01:28:45.449
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, okay
01:28:48.842 --> 01:28:58.914
[SPEAKER_01]: Gary, thank you so much for your time and yeah, good luck with that with with the winter season in New Zealand, and yeah, let's let's look forward to that day we get to make some turns together.
01:29:00.095 --> 01:29:02.378
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you very much and have a good time guys.
01:29:03.933 --> 01:29:13.276
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks so much for listening, that episode has got me pumped up to go out and continue working on my mobile schemes, give me some new ideas and inspirations, so thank you so much, Gary.
01:29:13.816 --> 01:29:25.659
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, just a final thing, just a shout out to my website, Big Picture Skin, I've got so many videos on there all around carving short turns, body preparation, mobility, as well as mobile schemes.
01:29:25.679 --> 01:29:30.601
[SPEAKER_01]: I've got a bunch of tutorials there on the way I approach teaching our moguls, so
01:29:31.221 --> 01:29:40.893
[SPEAKER_01]: just if you're really keen, you really want to improve then I've set up a system of process so you get information from the one place to cover everything about skiing.
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01:29:49.023 --> 01:29:50.585
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, all right, thanks so much for listening.
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[SPEAKER_01]: See you next time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Bye.