What If Your Skis Knew You? | Custom Ski Design with Original Plus

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[SPEAKER_02]: In my hand, I have a pair of skis that are built based on my metrics, my height, my weight, my skiing style.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And today on the Beach Pitches skiing podcast, you're going to tune into a discussion between some good friends and fellow ski coaches, the Melzaclay, Jason Simpson and myself Tom Galley.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we're going to discuss this whole process because we've all found it really fascinating on getting a pair of skis made specifically for you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm not going to give much more away in here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is not just about this particular brand original plus.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's also just about ski selection and what sort of things that does for your skiing and our opinions on that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was also based poly off an interview.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I did with one of the founders of Original Plus Sigi.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I said to him, hey, was there a ski?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Have you ever built a crap ski?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like a bad ski?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he said, well, you know, I don't really want to start the conversation there, but kind of yes, in the early days when he was, you know, designing, he built this car, lots of carbon ski that was torsionally very rigid, super light and very flexi.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you'd think that was the holy grail.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I can bend it and it doesn't like break off the edge torsionally.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was like, that thing was horrible to ski.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not actually this kind of
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[SPEAKER_02]: the torsionally stiff at the better and then the softer at the same time the better.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I wanted to sort of distill a lot of the the really detailed information I got from him around like torque and materials and the science and background to him starting this company.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm going to distill that and put in more of a discussion format.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's what you're going to hear next.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's get into it with my first question around is there a perfect ski or have you found the perfect ski for you just yet?
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's this idea that there's the perfect ski out there for you and I'm not really sure about this but I know there's been skis that I've gone wow that thing was so fun.
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[SPEAKER_02]: first run in all sorts of, you know, where I took it that day.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was just stuck stuck in my mind.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Jason is there a ski that did that for you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Sure was, you know, probably back in gosh 2013.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's when I first joined Fisher, actually.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was given the opportunity to test the quiver of skis at Panorama.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And one of the studet was the Fisher Progressor at the time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And it just
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It just, it did everything I wanted it to.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I felt very confident, very in control, and I felt like I immediately skied better.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And when I tried to describe that to the rapid the time, it was, it was that the whole ski seemed to flex like the length of the ski bent.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was, it could feel the entire side cut, yet it held.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like it was soft longitudinally, but strong, torsionally.
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[SPEAKER_03]: and that's what it was.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was just this really unique combination, I guess, and I joined Fisher after that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I became a Fisher ambassador for a long time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I actually telemarked on that one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was or progress in nine and telemarked skis.
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[SPEAKER_02]: like so that's a sort of a carving type ski wasn't it and it's hard to find the right sort of flex ski for for telemarking because you're not bolted into the heel point but that one fell really good and I had it had a similar feeling what about you Demels was there a ski?
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[SPEAKER_04]: I actually feel like I've not
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[SPEAKER_04]: found that perfect ski previously.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I think that's probably because of my weight.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So like I usually ski on pretty aggressive skis, you know, especially for skiing on the groomers.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I've always just found that the one main like daily driver ski that I have never really does everything within reason that I'd like it to do.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I've just sort of always put it down to the fact
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[SPEAKER_04]: gear that's been designed usually for men.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And there are some more exceptions to that rule now.
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[SPEAKER_04]: There's a lot of really good women's skis coming out, but they're all very short.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They're not in the lengths that I'd ski on.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm about like five, eight, five, nine.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, I mean, I couldn't really actually give you one that was amazing.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like I loved the CT, the Fisher CT, when I jumped on that turban the next year.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I had I had a pair and I mean, I can get down a bump line on those skis,
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[SPEAKER_04]: unpleasant.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And, you know, so really this like search for the holy grail, the Goldilocks key is what a thing is.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think yeah, continues.
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[SPEAKER_04]: With the exception of, you know, we're going to chat about original today, the one's key, I just just demo it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think it's interesting what you said, Jason, the feeling because that's what you notice is this feeling that sometimes it's hard to articulate, but I would agree, it's feeling of the ski bending right through the middle and as it bends and it's turning, you just have this sort of sense that you can feel what's happening up the front me, the tip of the ski.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and the tail.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I guess yeah, we're here talking about original plus skis because we're all moving across to ski on these skis that are designed and built based on your weight, height, metrics, where you ski or that's was stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I noticed that on the first turn.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'd say that's a very nice feeling, especially the thing I noticed
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[SPEAKER_02]: with this ski that was built for me, was I felt that very early.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's like sometimes hard to get the tip to engage and feel like it's just running away from you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This one I felt like I could sort of send it even further away because I could sense the tip which would then pull back around and come back in.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I guess this, I guess it brings up this idea that original plus designing skis
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[SPEAKER_02]: like for the individual, because they mentioned it, I sent you this interview I did with Sigi, who's one of the founders of this company and he's worked for Fischer, he helped restart the brand Castlay again, and then this is his sort of, I guess, a baby he wants to make this company, this product that is really customized, because he truly believes, you know, many great skis, but,
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[SPEAKER_02]: not every single skis made for you and you might be lucky and find that one, Jason.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, well, I guess, well, where should we start talking about this whole, this custom idea?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you want to talk about it?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because Jason hasn't actually skied on the skis yet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I mean, so I can speak to my first time skiing on skis in Chile and this was
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[SPEAKER_04]: the experience that you just asked me about before, you know, I jumped on this ski and literally just felt like I've been skiing on it my whole life.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It was, and I was very, I was quite dubious about it because it was very light.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The ski was quite light and I always associate that with a ski that's going to shutter on me and I'm not sure if the listeners of experiences before, but
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[SPEAKER_04]: When you're increasing your edge angles through the turn, sometimes a ski that's not torugingly stiff enough will start to Shutter and make these kind of really uncomfortable.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's not nice.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So, you know, this ski has no plate and It was it's a 69 underfoot and I took the 171 just under 14 meters radius and I was in Chile and the
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[SPEAKER_04]: snow at that point of the week wasn't great, and it just bent so easily.
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[SPEAKER_04]: In fact, I think I'm going to do the next stiffness up, or they're going to make a ski for me when I pick up my custom ones in a couple of weeks that will be a little stiffer.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, I mean, I skied around for four or five days on it, ducked off the groomers into the bump lines, ticked it like straight through,
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[SPEAKER_04]: lower back, no pain.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It was just an easy, easy ski.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And normally I just have this like feeling, oh, I got to brace myself, you know, when I'm taking a carving ski in the off-piece, which it is a big ask, you know, and we've got some things to talk about that as well, with the way SIGI described like the SUV ski and whether they're sort of really into that concept
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[SPEAKER_04]: like, have a ski that's pretty good, really good at everything and I feel like this ski is definitely going to be that for me.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think really it's one of the most important things that we do in our job and our work is getting our clients on the right gear and that's going to help them and have that experience that I hope because when we have to fight a ski,
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[SPEAKER_04]: We can get down and still sort of make up work, but when our clients are fighting a ski, it makes it really, really hard for them to progress and ahead that next level.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So it was a really cool experience.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Then my partner jumped on the same ski, Darren, you guys know,
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I couldn't get it off him for a half a day and just in he's probably 10 kilograms heavier than me.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But really beautiful flex, just really easy experience without any of those unstable feelings at higher edge angles.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Jason, you're the one that hasn't, because I've had I got a skedage to try half of this Australian winter as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'll talk about later.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What did you plug into the Aurego software to sort of, because on their website, you can put in your height, way, age, skiing, speed, sort of turn radius preferences.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, what if you ended up with, and is there a question you would ask us?
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[SPEAKER_03]: You kind of know or are you like, I don't know if I should go longer or should I go stiffer or should I know I think I've had some great conversations with the guys at a original plus and to kind of fine tune the final design of my skis and I will have a six S and a mod seven are the skis that are currently being designed for me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Don't know the I haven't seen the final final numbers, but like the length and whatnot that they're going to they've decided on but.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't really have a lot of questions to ask because like I almost feel like I'm responsible for pulling you guys into this because I was going down the original plus road without trying based on feedback from people I trust, skiers that are Instagram heroes, if you will, they're people that we watch and the turns that they're making and the turns that they're on this particular ski.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What is this brand?
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I actually just took a flyer phone directly to
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[SPEAKER_03]: And the next piece that pulled me in was just the company, their attitude, the people that are there, their skiers like us.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like we're on the level with the owners.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If you don't want to mean the people that are designing the ski,
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[SPEAKER_03]: our skiers like us.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They and when when they said to me, we're not a ski company.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're a skier company.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, I'm in.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You kind of got me at hello, like from Jeremy McGuire.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I was, I'm in.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to give it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then when the two people I trust the most in the ski world, you two guys get on them and both come back on, wow, I don't really have any questions that ask, I just can't wait to get on the ski.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So did you, so you haven't made a decision around which height or length part of me that you want in your six X, Jason, or you just left it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, I went, no, I did, I did put some adjustments in.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I said around 165 for the six and in the 175 to 180 range for the mod seven.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Those are the choice.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm interesting.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Cool.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because I wanted to swallow some ski something that really comes around, you know,
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[SPEAKER_03]: Narrow underfoot, tight radius, um, and then something a little bit more forgiving.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I kind of like having both of those skis and my quiver.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I actually think I might have an email here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to just look that has some numbers.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I'll stand by.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I like that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because yeah, he said the six S, which is, and we should probably explain.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, because you, you've got the six S, six X, six G, and the S is the sort of
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so in general, it feels like they have, you can, yeah, you can choose a slalom ski that's 69 out of a fort, a sort of a mixed radius, like a medium radius ski of 69 out of a fort, and then a more longer radius GS ski at 69 out of a fort.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then you can kind of do sort of similar things that
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[SPEAKER_04]: in the 70s.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think the 70s it starts getting a bit more like that's more of a medium radius different flex different length.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I guess the two things you're really playing with is the length and the flex sort of.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because he brings up when I chat to him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, people say, why can't we choose the radius?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's like, oh, but I like I want a 77 underfoot 11 meter radius short turn sort of slimes key.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so he explained that like the three main things that that really affect the radius is obviously the flex and and the side cut and then and then the length and he said it doesn't really matter as much like if you've got the right flex that ski comes around like
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[SPEAKER_02]: like the race is quite nice and I would agree with that because I was given this 175 16 meter radius ski in the in the six acts of this sort of medium radius one
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[SPEAKER_02]: and it felt compared to some of the fetus keys I've got in a similar kind of length and radius written on the ski.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It felt like I could tighten it more easily.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When I did want to, and I think that must have been the flex because I felt the same thing Jason, it was like tip to tail.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was right in the middle of it, could stand on it, came around and short turns.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, way easier.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like it didn't, it didn't sort of,
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[SPEAKER_02]: say no, we just love to it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like the CT loves doing five.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I found some numbers here if you want.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The mod is 175 radius 17 flex of 255 Newton meters.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's 122 77106.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So 770 foot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So that's your 77 on the foot ski that you're up that they've built for you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that one is a six S is the other one and let me just get down to the numbers.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm looking at the ski itself.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like I'm looking at my design.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to the tail where the numbers are printed.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And this oh wow.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's 165 radius of 12, 6600 foot 12 meters.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Does it say a flex?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Does it give you the flex?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's 255.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: and the other one was 240 and it was 255 as well and then go back to it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's it because I also think that's 255.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Also 255.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's what I will.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because what are you guys getting?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'm not it wasn't written on mine.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was like so I was given a test ski But it had a red sticker Which sort of is like I guess they the medium medium flex medium flex because because there's two roads You can go down you can go fully custom Which is what you've just done there Jason.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they have like these sort of like semi custom ones where it's like you can buy a 175 16 meter radius
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[SPEAKER_02]: in a soft medium or a heart of legs, which is kind of cool.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I got, I got the medium flex one there and it was pretty darn close.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was when I was pushing it on, on, on steepest slopes that I found.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I wanted a little bit stiff at that, but it was pretty cool to be out of just even that point.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because you're going to say you're going to a sharp and you go great.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love the look of this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a vocal candle.
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[SPEAKER_02]: but you know, I like the stability of a long ski, but I don't think I need the flex because you know, maybe your demels are like, I don't weigh a ton.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'd love everything else in it, but could you just make it a little bit softer?
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's this one, it's this one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's why I like a ski test, certain I think that why they bring on a selection of different
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[SPEAKER_02]: people like lightweight females, heavier females, heavier guys, faster skiers, more precision skiers to try and then help people go, oh, I resonate with Demelsa, I'm more like Demelsa shape, so skis she like, I might like, but still, it's
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[SPEAKER_02]: you've got to take a chance on that, don't you?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Be sure to.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and you skied morgals a lot of morgals on that ski that you were sent out.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Do you have a sense?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Do you feel like your custom ski term is going to be a little stiffer than that red sticked ski?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yeah, I've gone.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and what I've done because the next time I'll be skiing will be on the glacier in Austria, and I know from last year the snow is quite firm very hard.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I've asked for a stiffest ski.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've asked for a plate like a heart.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's this sort of it's like a hot plate split.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I really love the year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so it gives you some torsional sort of rigidity in the binding, but then it still flexes a little a little nicely.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I went for stiffer because of the snow and I went a little bit shorter radius a little bit for this idea of, okay, if I'm there to film some videos and it's like you've got this pitch and you want to try and get as many like high performance cool turns.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I went a little shorter radius so I didn't have to take as much space or get as much speed to go higher, but um,
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[SPEAKER_03]: When you guys mentioned the plate displayed, was that something that you requested or that come through the process, they went, oh, you're going to need the plate.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They advised it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They have a full plate and they have a no-played option, and so when I had my conversation with Yela after testing the ski, and this was interesting, so Tom and I were going back and forth.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm also getting the six X in a one, seven, one.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I was originally what came out of the computer questionnaire, was a 175, but similar sort of situation with Tom on the glacier, Austria, hard snow,
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[SPEAKER_04]: I found when I skied the 171 in Chile, I was bending that ski so much.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It was just coming around so quickly and so I thought oh, maybe I need the longer one, which is just a little bit longer than what I would normally ski on, but then you know I made the point and he's like it probably just is a little bit too soft for you.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You're bending it too much.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So let's build you something a little bit stiffer that's still going to have that adaptability that you would like.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, so I'll be on something that's probably more like that medium flex, but I get the sense that we're not really, it's not, they have their three flex patterns like soft medium and hard, but when you do the custom scheme, I feel like there are some ways that they can sort of create increments around that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So,
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[SPEAKER_04]: they look at how we ski and our style and like a long conversation about what we like to do that so that's what I've decided to do and I think that on that same ski it's it's not going to be like hooking around underneath me so much it's going to yeah yeah exactly it's not going to underneath me yeah it was it was nice like I love skiing on a soft ski yeah it was almost a bit too much
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So on that, they have this machine that they bought from Canada and the name just got to be now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that machine basically, yeah, you can put a ski in it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So say, ahead, rally, be rally or something, put it in there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it'll flex the tip, flex the tail, flex it like longitudeally, and give you all these numbers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so, if you're like, oh, well, I don't have a test ski to try out, you can say, well, I loved this Fisher Progressor from 2000, whenever, and I love this hit had rally, but I didn't like it in these situations.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you really kind of want to nail down like you can speak to them and and give them this kind of information and they can then use that to to go, oh yeah, okay, well, you would probably like something around this flex because yeah, it is when you realize it's like, oh, I can have everything dialed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: access to like everything on the menu in the whole entire world and going, oh yeah, what are we watching?
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[SPEAKER_04]: We're off menu.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I want to mess this up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to mess this up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I feel like I felt a little bit of pressure on myself.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, oh, God, I've got this ski for Austria.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The chance to get this perfect ski for the conditions.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Have I chosen the right one?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I'm going to keep it going.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They can't do anything.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so if you do order something that's just not working for whatever reason, I think they.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they build you another one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a little just build on one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so you said you only had, oh, sorry.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was just got to say, I think going, what, eat Paris since they started building them that they've had to redo for people.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think Ziggy mentioned that seven.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He did.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and it wasn't to do with, it was sort of something, maybe I think it had to do with the grind and the tuning machines.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it was sort of not so much the ski that they built someone, but something else in the process that they've, they since fixed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's a good one.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You want to see my numbers, the numbers of the ski that I skied on in Chile, which is their softer, like if you if you just purchased, I think they're called original now, like off the shelf.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, a great original now.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so the 171 radius 14 flex 240 Newton meters and torsion 140.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And then the ski they're building for me now,
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[SPEAKER_04]: I've gone with the little wood panel.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Cool.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They've got this wooden kind of like a wood grain effect through it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's total wood grain air with a little shading on there.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So this one, same radio, same length, flex 255 Newton meters and torsion 2.22.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That sounds like my ski, actually.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Very much.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This line is a 2.22 as well at 25.5.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's interesting to see that number on a ski, a torsional number.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I've never seen that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Which I love because I thought.
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[SPEAKER_02]: that is brilliant like because you know on a ski boot you can kind of get an idea especially in the race ones you know like a 150 in a atomic and a fisher on a head like sort of similar sort of thing you don't have to choose it as like
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's something named doing a mean like if you're choosing a ski, it's I think it's really cool.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I like that they put on that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, this is the torsional, you know, stiffness.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is the flex and it just makes it way easier.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You could go look at your friend and go.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, and you could try it and you go.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's why I like I'm feeling this because your flex is 20 Newton meters lower than mine.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And oh, that's interesting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't I thought it a softer ski might not be good for me, but actually.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I like the feeling of that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, because that was one thing I realized I was worried that my ski didn't come with a plate.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's the first sort of carving ski I've had in a long time that didn't have a race plate on it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I thought, oh, I'm great.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Threadbow, I see morning.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to do some turns down high noon and it's just going to chatter like you said, the mels aren't.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm going to have to back it off.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, not the case.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Not the case.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that was explaining like the race plate, sure will help on ice and it's more transfer of energy from the binding into the ski.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But the torsional stiffness is just, is mostly in the ski.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so this ski must have just been, yeah, just had.
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[SPEAKER_02]: pretty good torsional rigidity to hold well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, it was interesting.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's that light and that flexible and soft, but then for it not to shut it was just crazy with no plate.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, and I'm getting the split plate on my new one coming up.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You're doing the same thing, guys.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think so, it's a called the evil plea.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just see that in my description of the ski that's coming.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But you know what I would say to, if that race plea evil, I reckon it probably is then.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, it's just there behind me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I, the one that didn't have the race plate.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, do you know what?
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[SPEAKER_02]: If I was in West Coast Canada, like Whistler or Silver Star or Time?
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[SPEAKER_02]: be very tempted to not go plate because of how nice the ski flexed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I guess that brings this round to this idea in this conversation with SIGI, he said he doesn't believe in the altering ski, the altering vehicle, the SUV does everything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because he says a lot of people come and they go great.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, a custom ski, I want to be able to carve on ice.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to be able to ski powder.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to be able to do bumps.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if you had to do everything on that, but it's a bit much, yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So what was your take on on that idea?
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's perspective of there's no such thing as an ATV ski.
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[SPEAKER_02]: this old man type thing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, go ahead Jason.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think this, you know, for my experience being out there and it's interesting.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's not going to yell at today.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So about skis and which ones I want to bring to a demo that I'm doing in Austria.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I kept saying, I want skis that are 70 in her foot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, the mod 7 because that type of skis seems to do it all for my clients.
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[SPEAKER_03]: you know, in where they ski in Western North American.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And he said, no, no, no, man, like, Austria, it's hard snow.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We need a narrow ski.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You got to be the six, the six series is where you want to be.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's interesting to have that discussion.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that's what's really cool about them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because one of the questions that they ask is, where do you ski?
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[SPEAKER_03]: The snow conditions are critical to the design.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, where will you primarily ski, helps them narrow it down?
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[SPEAKER_03]: So,
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[SPEAKER_03]: I do believe for me personally, this is just my opinion, a 70-under ski 70-underfoot ski in that 15-meter radius is for me altering.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I can go anywhere on that ski and because of us, you know, the way we teach in a day, we'll start on some low-angle groomer, we'll be in some broken snow, we'll ski some steep bumps, we'll be on some hydrogen snow, I kind of want something that we'll kind of
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[SPEAKER_03]: Swiss Army knife it's way through the day for me and so for me sweet spot is a 7500 foot 175 ski at about a 15 meter radius that that's just my opinion Now and I'm not a ski designer, but that's what I enjoy when I'm out there
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think I get what he means when he says that, yeah, like putting powder, crusty bumps, ice.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like that's, that's too much.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What we look for is just something that we'll deal with hard snow, hard moguls, or just off-piece, like not fresh snow.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I think that's like, that is doable with the one ski, but obviously, like, powder skis.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I was just gonna say, do you guys remember
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I was going to tell you right, and I had ice-geed on this dinner star, speed 66.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think it was cold and I actually skied all the way through my levels on the same skied different, changed over and did a different length for love and fall, and yeah, we just we skied padded days, it's like this skinny, you know, underfoot, it's better at all really.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, you know, of course it's better, but, um, yeah, yeah, powder skis back then were longer, like my powder skis was a 207.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and actually that was a great ski.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I got on the Salomon 1080.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Do you remember that one that came out pretty Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that was a really great ski.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It was very light.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm ever taking that thing just snowboard and skiing all those really great shoots off the tram and just having the best time ever that now here we are.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I think Yellow has said the same thing to me.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's like, no, no, no, if you want to go and ski in the soft snow, you go down and just
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[SPEAKER_04]: which is, you know, practically not possible, most of the time for people to ask when we're running this in and our clients might only own one pair.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But I think what this does mean for us and our clients, is I think about the amount of time that a client spends researching their ski, like which one they're going to buy and which length and they have to order on menu.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, when you can order off menu and get something that is really going to work very well for you and have that perfect two ski quiver, which ideally I would like to have a two ski quiver for all of my traveling.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Putting a third pair of skis and a ski bag is not possible usually.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I agree.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Taking all the bindings off and what have you so.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, having this really simple kind of lineup of lack of got something in the 60s, the 70s, the 80s, and the 90s, that I just sort of tweaked on to that one recently, and then all the down skis, which is their, their powder line, is just a really simple way for people to come in order off menu and spend that time actually talking to the ski designer and get something that is really great for them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, rather than risky, like, oh, god, you know, am I going to buy this fisher or the satomic and this person said it was great and you know what I think is interesting is, oh, so I was going to say no, go because we're all skiing instructors and you know, some people listening to podcasts, the skiing instructors are not.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if you're in the skin instructing world, you'll resonate with like maybe you come in at level one and even if it's now not back with the straight skis you're coming in you probably you might have a twin tip or a fat ski then all Matt and ski that you love and you ski around and then you soon find out the limitations of that and if you want to go up into your level two level three you suck on all the examiners and the trainers telling like you need to get on a better carving ski that really gives you more feedback and
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[SPEAKER_02]: pulls radius around better.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So people start being narrowed down by the time you get to the level 3 level 4, like the top, the full-set level in any country, you're getting pulled into this about 66 to 70 underfoot type ski.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Even if you're on the west coast of North America, east coast of North America, Europe, it's Australia.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're getting pulled into this type of ski
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[SPEAKER_02]: You then spend all your time teaching guests on that type of ski.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So you start building your skills around being on a slightly narrow and nimble underfoot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So to ski and just figuring out where the balanced limits are, no matter if it's snowed that night or it went slushy or it went icy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think, so I was just seeing like for the people that don't get kind of pushed down that pathway, they're not as keen as structure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of them are on these like,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like a vocal candle, a Solomon, and, you know, head core now, these kind of skis, which are great, super fun.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But if you want to end up watching videos and you like turning and you like seeing, like you love watching, like the races, free skiing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're never going to learn to get there if you stay on that type of ski.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You need to get up like a 69 set, like Jason said, up to 70, sort of mid 70s ski.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you're on, if you're on like sort of drier, aspen type snow, you can get away with that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But you need that sort of ski that's built to turn, not be this kind of ATV type of compromise and just allows you to kind of surf around and slide on stuff.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's why people have that ski because like when it when it dumps 10, 20, 30 centimeters of snow they want to be able to enjoy that and I guess it's just one of those sports isn't it where eventually you're going to have to get a second pair if you want to be able to really make your best turns in
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[SPEAKER_04]: both ends of the spectra.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yeah, but you know people like Marcus Castan who rips and he skis around like the Lizard like 90 even 100 plus underfoot and takes them to places where the snow is also still firm.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That guy grew up ski racing, you know almost back here to the national, he maybe did make it a national level.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He learned to like carve and rip a racing ski
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then you can transfer it, but I think it's really hard, like I look at some other people, like even sort of people on YouTube and stuff who were free styleers and then they're trying to learn to carve and they're still on these sort of twin tip type skis.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You can tell they're not getting the feelings that they need to learn that then once you've learned them, you can try and put that into a different ski.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, I guess my point is, yeah, around this
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[SPEAKER_02]: those skis, these carving type skis really help open up feelings, which then you can transfer to other skis, but those other skis, it's very hard on a hundred underfoot, even 85 underfoot to learn like a really good carved turn.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you're sort of saying, once you get that training and that that foundational All those movement patterns dialed in from skiing on those carving skis then you can go and take something 90 mil under foot Once you've got the skills and you can lay it over and and deal with it, but it doesn't it can't happen the other way around.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, it's interesting too, because at least I don't know what shops are like saying Europe, but you know, in Western Canada, Western North America, you go into a ski shop and everything is wide.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's hard to find a carving ski, almost have to order it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And when we watch a skiing public, most of them are on these wider skis.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think they do have the great experience in terms of confidence and broken snow, but they never get the feelings that
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[SPEAKER_03]: we generate on a ski that can be generated on a ski that is you know the playing with force and pulling into a turn, which I think is that feeling that golfers get when they hit the 300-yard drive or you catch the perfect wave.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's that feeling that will bring you back.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And a lot of people aren't getting that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They think that they're like, yeah, they're getting everything out of skiing, but you have a little piece missing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And it's these narrower skis with shorter radiuses that will teach you that and help you experience that feeling.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And to Demels' point, you can then take back to your wider skis, which become even better.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because you think about it, go ahead.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was going to say the conditions, like, we're definitely on to something here because we're all wanting to talk, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is excluding like the, you know, the Aspen where it's just sunny, snows, skiing off piece this easy all the time, but, you know, Australia, it's not often always great for that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so say you've bought a lift ticket or you've booked a holiday for a week or two weeks and you arrived and it's, it's gone warm or it's rained and then it got sunny again and it's cold and now the only kind of decent fun skiing is on the groomer.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you don't know how, like, like, to hit that 300 or 300 bit of drive, that put, catch that, that really great feeling of a turn.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think you're missing out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think what we love about what we do and what we've learned,
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[SPEAKER_02]: is no matter what the conditions are.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, oh, today is great for bumps.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's slush.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what we're going to go do because we know that's where on the mountain is good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Or today is perfect for groomers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Today is a definite, like, let's not be on the groomer because it's just soft snow everywhere.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's go off, peace.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think if you have this ski that builds the skills of carving and feeling how ski turns you and well that's as if I think you open up more days and I think to be honest more of the days that are actually good are the ones that you're going to be on the groomer.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, then offer around the world.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So the greeners are good 95% of the time in the sea resort.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And the offpist is less different places, you know, but it's always less in the offpist.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I do feel like this tendency for consumers to purchase these fatter skis comes down to their marketability and their association to this very marketable culture of free ride and front cover of the magazine and and the way they push these
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[SPEAKER_04]: super good-looking, you know, great artwork on the skin, you look at the skis that we really love, like, for a lot of people who probably haven't accessed what we're describing here in skiing really well on on the Gromus, they look at the ski and they're like, that's ugly.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's a huge thing for a lot of people.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's like they don't want to ski on a ski that is aesthetically not nice, you know, and it's really cool with a original, I think we're all
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[SPEAKER_04]: planning our own top sheets and everything that you want to see mine.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Can I show this to you?
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[SPEAKER_04]: But I really feel like, I mean, yeah, in my home mountain, the guy who does all the purchasing for the sports store up at Silverstar, I think he's got some card skis in this year.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The only ski shop up on the mountain.
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[SPEAKER_04]: There's a great ski shop down off the mountain Olympia that has some carving stuff.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But not as much as the...
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[SPEAKER_04]: the fat ski selection.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And yeah, it's no wonder that consumers are buying usually entering the market with their ski purchase with something that is usually not appropriate for the conditions that are good most of the time.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what, this may be think of too, how often we get.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What's skier you on Jason?
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[SPEAKER_02]: What's skier on Demelsa?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I should I get on that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, like, like, oh, it's a fish of CT 175.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then, and then I've met people that have bought that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it was definitely not a good skier for them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, Todd.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, oh, here we go.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Here's Jason's one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But what is cool now?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's great.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Can you see that?
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's cool.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's cool.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's cool for that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: For the bill that are not watching on YouTube and you're listening.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, it's like this really nice sky blue color and then he's got like a topographical map.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, most control.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, contour lines.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, oh, that is really cool.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So you got to choose that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So yes, I picked out one and the other one is here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if I can bring that up to here's the other one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's black on black, can you see that?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Is that up there?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you just gotta zoom it out a bit.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's cool.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, still good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's very cool.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no, I'm jealous.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I chose like a black with subtle yellow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then I went for this sort of geometric geometric.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, blocks white skee.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, to finish what I was saying, people go, hey, what's key you want?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like they see that Jason, they go, okay, like, should I get that one?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You go, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But what you should do is it should go and like plug in your own numbers and maybe in chat with them and find out like what should be changed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: short, a longest if us on exactly.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think Demels made of a great point earlier too about ordering on menu versus off menu because I think for a lot, I mean, the custom ski is a little bit more money, so maybe you go with an original now, you're on menu, but you get to choose
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's like ordering a steak, you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You like it rare, medium rare, well done.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You can still dial in side of that and find that, you know, maybe not the perfect ski, which is the custom, but really, really close.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so I just love your analogy to Melso and I wanted to come back to that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm thinking, so I haven't decided on the next, the other ski that I'm going to do.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I've got the opportunity to test this mod 7, I think it's cold in the mod 8 in Austria and if I was to be a, if I was a bedding person, I think I'd like to get something in the 88, which is great for, like, in resort powder.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But something that is stiff enough that it can still lay down a great turn, and that's always been one of the tough things, I mean Tom and Jason, did you have the Ranger 96 little Jace?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, you did, yeah, I mean great ski or Slow your mind.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Still even one like Harb, but just a little bit too wide for
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[SPEAKER_04]: firm conditions.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But great in the powder.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, that powder day that you saw on my Instagram recently was on the 96 where I was over my head.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And so yeah, I'm looking forward to.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Because it reminds me Tom, you were talking about your conversation with Ted Ligitty, who was saying carving ski should always be wider than 85.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And he's
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[SPEAKER_04]: with uh, is it DPS that he's with?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's always on a pretty wide ski laying down, you know?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think he was saying 75.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Was he saying, yeah, but it was one of the I thought, because I thought he'd be at race ski at 65.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And it was at a booting out thing that he was sort of talking about there or just more around.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think the torque on people's knees that aren't.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, aren't that aren't as athletic as, you know, fish racers.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think that was part of it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But Tom maybe I'm missing a part of it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I can't remember what it was there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I would speak to the facts.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I'm really looking forward to a 77.
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[SPEAKER_02]: stiff for carving ski and I want it, I'm not sure I should have gone 88 either because I boot out like I've do every time like this season unless it's really like grippy and hard that my ski doesn't dig into much.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I have to be careful when my hip is right close to snow because if I'm not completely balanced against that outside ski and my boot scrapes on the snow and then then
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so, like Ted Liggity stacks his one, his boot, he's got extra plates at underneath because he's not fissed under the binding or just on the boot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Under the boot, I believe.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He might even on the binding as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know it's really high.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's way higher than normal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that stops you booting out because he cranks it right over.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then you go wide up and you don't boot out either.
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[SPEAKER_02]: like a good, you know, inch sometimes.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So 60 something under foot is not great.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I agree with that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I agree with where we ski and here's the thing I think because original plus is an Austrian company and it's been to them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're always on the pace in Europe, which are firmer.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and where are going on?
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[SPEAKER_02]: We want this like 70-ish, 80-ish underfoot being because a lot of the time, it's reloads of snow happened, they grew many.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And every couple of days, yeah, it's just snow's a little bit, and yeah, it's different.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But then you go to this like, Ranger, and it's like almost there, but it's too wide.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Or you get this like,
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I've ordered that Fischer Ranger 84 thinking, yes, that's the perfect one and it wasn't and it's no metal in it and the thing is a noodle and that one's way to I was just like, whoa, yeah, couldn't couldn't hold so couldn't go fast or on firm snow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm excited to get a wider.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: like I don't I haven't ordered one yet, but I have a feeling that a white ski with with the O-plus could become your favorite ski.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I have a feeling too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because you're saying Ted Liggity, his newest carving ski is I think it's 95.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Breathe wide up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so the other one he made, I think, was in the 80s.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Last year that DPS piece works, I think it is, but he's made this other one that's got even more carbon in it, I think and.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Actually, I have no idea, but anyway, it's wider.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's wider, and yeah, he seems to be cranky around on that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And so... It's for those who, I'm sorry.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to say there's two things I want to bring up here before I lose my train of thought.
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[SPEAKER_02]: One is the fact we talked about wider and torsion on the knees because there is research and studies that the wider skis are also not great.
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[SPEAKER_02]: On your knees because of where the center of the knees and the edge of the ski so there's torque there So there's there's that going on, but there's no condition dependent so we should we talk about that quickly the other thing too was This Torsion flex like super flexy like if you talk about that I would love this flex in the ski like tip to tail flex the bend But then we want the right torsional stability like because the the more torsually stiff the better edge grip you've got
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I'm going to talk about, so Sigi said, I said to him, hey, was there a ski?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Have you ever built a crap ski?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like a bad ski?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he said, well, you know, I don't really want to start the conversation there, but kind of yes, in the early days when he was, you know, designing, he built this car, lots of carbon ski that was torsionally very rigid, super light, and very
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[SPEAKER_02]: and it doesn't break off the edge totally.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was like, that thing was horrible to ski.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We tried to bring carbon, for example, to a large extent into racing and carving skis.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the first produce were over the top.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So while excelling in certain directions, for example, edge grip, we had skis that were relatively soft with,
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[SPEAKER_00]: with a huge amount of torsional rigidity, which sort of a lot of fantasies and forums, et cetera, go in the direction that that would be the trim scheme.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And our experience, you optimize your certain point, but if you go over top, it's also, also nothing, nothing you want, because the skis would get extremely aggressive, like almost like skiing on, like say,
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's, yeah, it's really, yeah, it's really interesting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not actually this kind of, the totally stiff of the better.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then the softer at the same time, the better.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you need some forgiveness in the torsional sort of rigidity of the ski, I guess.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, to not be.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like there's a dampening in that, I think.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think so.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think so.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And sort of like like a smoother entry instead of just like, I imagine with that one, I was probably just, it was on and if you're not ready, like that thing is just ripping around and pushing against you, gripping into the snow and being sort of just like a really rough ride.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I thought that was, yeah, that was really easy to learn.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, but I assume that they're probably torsently softer away, you know, at the ends and get strong on her footwards thicker, of course, and the plate is there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then when you finally get into the middle of the turn, you're standing on that very torsently gripping surface, and then you need it to bend and untwist to really help you release, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, um.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's a really interesting point, it is.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I was going to say before for anyone who's listening, who is not familiar with the way flex patterns change in skis as the width under 14 cruisers, and would you guys agree that generally speaking, you know, as the width under 14 cruisers, they normally make it quite a bit softer.
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[SPEAKER_04]: you know, like something in the 80s, you wouldn't normally find a ski that's 88-ish underfoot.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, there are a few out there, I guess, that carve pretty well, like that have quite a bit of mental in them.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But like you're saying, as well, Jason,
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[SPEAKER_04]: this gives you the opportunity to be like, yeah, I know I want that 88.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm going to ski powder it and I'm also going to make some carved turns.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It made you right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It could just be that one one ski wonder for like the most all-purpose one that you can get.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But one of the things I'm really excited about, I know you guys have the same experience because how many DMs, text messages do you get from either followers or people that we've skied with before,
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, what I respond to those messages, you know, I think that it's just really great to be able to help the community make better choices with their skis, but, you know, being able to sort of direct them to a company like original and have their questions answered there, at least to have the modifications made so that the ski really works for them.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But specifically for women who are
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[SPEAKER_04]: And down on Australia on the APS item, she's, what is she like, five foot, five or something or five foot, she's, she's a short woman, she's super powerful, doesn't weigh a lot and she's skiing on a one seven, she's skiing on a ski that's 20 centimeters.
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[SPEAKER_04]: longer than her you know told than her so I think a lot of these and there are guys in that same category as well Just you know man of short stature that are going to be able to really find a ski that really works for them because I think it's the people just like with anything You know, they're making skis for the masses There's all these outliers that will fall out of the the category and I think it's it's totally just in kind of like Proposition yeah serious
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[SPEAKER_02]: So you said at the beginning, he was like, unless you can go and, like, the great thing is ski tests, if you can go to one of those, like, that's a great way to be able to fine tune because there's, like, there's so many great skis out there and we've all skied on great skis we weren't jumping to another brand because we were unhappy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was just this cool opportunity, but yeah, that's what so I would say, if you can, go do ski tests, or try and borrow friends who've got lots of skis and try some different skis, because you don't realize what maybe you might like, like I don't realize that I really liked, sort of like a bit softer of a ski I thought, because I was skiing on this fissure, sort of.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Master's GS ski at the beginning of season.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was great.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was good, but I wasn't loving every turn.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes yes, it's just hard of work and but I wanted that ski because it had the race plate.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It had the torsional rigidity.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I knew I could go fast.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But it wasn't every turn was good, but I didn't know that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was just like, oh, well, this is this is the compromise.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If that's what I am trying to do, I have to suck it up and I just have to work harder.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's the other one, there's a custom made at this pitch at high noon, often you need to let's top in a bottom bit, and the top bit I used to make short turns and then sort of stop at a certain point.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And this season I realized I was stopping lower than normal on these custom ones because I wasn't as tired.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's interesting.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it was really interesting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was just saying, yeah, I felt that the flex, this right balance there made it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like you said to me, as you said, it was felt easy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like he's got a lot of things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I would agree.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't get his tired for the same kind of energy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was getting out of how to turn.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You normally spend three or four runs, don't you?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Or three or four days on a new ski, figuring it out, you know?
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[SPEAKER_04]: There are some things that ski does really easily like the CT when I jumped on yours, that year Tom, I'm like, oh my God, I'm having one of these next year and really easy for what it's built for, like carving a hard snow, but full, moguls, hard, no thanks, but this ski,
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[SPEAKER_04]: I just didn't think about it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's just like I'd been skiing on it for ages.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It was really easy to adjust to and be keeping and yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Guys, where should we go here?
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're getting close to the hour.
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[SPEAKER_02]: How should we wrap it up?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is there anything any closing thoughts or anything we haven't said?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to mention that
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[SPEAKER_02]: I found it really interesting to talk about this and we're not saying like here that the message is not to like you must now buy a custom ski.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to come across as like push your sazi on this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought it's a really great opportunity to discuss something.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like in the realm of things we love skiing, everything to do with skiing we always want to talk more about.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we've talked lots about customizing boots and how important that is and just it makes things easier.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I think it's cool to be able to bring up our experience of having more of a customized ski.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So no, I just want to get that across, that as you listen to this, we're not trying to pressure you into like, because there's not a sales page.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, or that you can only ski well on a custom ski.
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[SPEAKER_04]: No.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is the first time we've ever, we've all, like Jason, hasn't even got one yet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we've done it yet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we've all made great turns.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Had so much fun out there, I think my closing point would be, it's just really interesting that you can get something made for you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, I think it just makes things easier and it was really fun, like I just had heaps of fun doing all the kind of skiing that I like to do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so that's why it's not a must, but I really like that that that's now something that I can I can go with.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So maybe you guys have a closing thought on this topic.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'll just say briefly, I've been just sort of touched on this before Tom when you're sort of saying with the way they provide the measurements and you know, these are averages, the torsion and everything, the flex for the ski, but having access to those numbers, you know, the ski is kind of tough, like, you know, in a world where
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[SPEAKER_04]: We'll solve these boots with like 1, 21, 31, 40, 1, 50, and for those who might have heard this before, but those numbers are fairly arbitrary from brand to brand.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What 120s aren't always the same flex.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They don't measure them.
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[SPEAKER_04]: There's no way to do that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm really intrigued that this has now been offered in the market.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That they do give these numbers.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So for someone who you don't have to be a genius to go,
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[SPEAKER_04]: The Flex number on it was 260 and then I ski on a ski that I really liked and the Flex number on that one was 190 or something so that's just such simple data and for consumers to have access to so I think it's just they're doing a really interesting thing I mean top level skis get to choose their skis and have them all made for them especially and it's just an option now for us on the market to be able to access that same experience so
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I would just say that, yeah, I think all the companies make really good skis, like I think that the consumer is very fortunate in modern skiing, no matter what brand you choose, you're going to find a great ski.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The one thing that will really affect your ski though, that could turn a great ski into a bad one, is the tune.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So keep an eye on your tune.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You think it's the ski itself, the manufacturing of it, and it's not.
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[SPEAKER_03]: a little mistake on the tune, a half a degree out, a little bit of a burr, can really change the way that ski moves under your feet, make it almost impossible to turn or impossible to grip.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So be aware of your tune, but just to wrap up the thought around custom skis, I think that if you're the kind of person that optimizes everything, like you don't want, like
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's no stone left unturned skiing is so important to you in getting the maximum out of it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Then of course, owning a custom ski is the right way to go.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You've customized your boots.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You've made that connection between you and the equipment.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now that equipment needs to be optimized as well.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And why not?
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's out there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And there's going to, I think we'll see more of it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But
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[SPEAKER_03]: To Tom's point you do not have to buy custom ski.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I have skied my whole life.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean 40 plus years of skiing I've never owned a custom ski and I and I and in love with this sport.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's not mandatory But I can't wait to try it It's on the menu.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm having a medium rare for sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was gonna I was gonna try clothes out of it You just made me like think of a few other points because we'll one the tune
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[SPEAKER_02]: I should say like so in the process you get to you get to choose your ski like the ready is the flex you get to choose the top sheet like you saw Jason's and Demales as you could choose from colors there you get to choose the binding
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[SPEAKER_02]: You also get to choose the finish, like even the wax preparation where it gets hot boxed, like infrared, soaked deep, whether you have a sharper aura or a less sort of sharp tune, and that's often based on where in the world you're skiing, but I've never had a ski come out of the factory so well tuned than this pair of skis.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just expect nowadays when I get a brand new ski, I'm like, I have to tune it, or if I don't, there's going to be something wrong.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, remember, we did that camp, and I had the new pair of skis, those Master GS1s, I was like, ah, Matt, guys, I'm hating at this point, and snow is perfect.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Nothing wrong there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Tail is just grabbing and catching.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So in time I try to steer, it's
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like straight out finished perfect.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I would choose if you do it choose like the hand finish option.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a couple of bucks more, but you just you just know you're going to get out there and you're not feeling a weird ski Jason, you're absolutely right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So much of the time it's the ski tune and feel from ski talks at it too is like when you test skis you're testing ski tune number one
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[SPEAKER_02]: the conditions, the binding, and then you're testing the ski.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like as all these things first, so you've got to get through before you're actually really, really test the ski.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So there was that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The only other thought I had is now I think I've really, because I've gone so deep on boots and love modifying and I can now spot when people, it's like that boot the canteen or the cuff a little bit soft.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Or the flex is off.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think we're all getting better at seeing that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, what's going wrong there?
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[SPEAKER_02]: They can't flex their ankle.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think we're going to start to be able to see that in skis and now knowing it's like oh yeah tried Jason's 255 torsion flex one and I tried this other one and and I'm going to know what numbers minor at
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then seeing other people get on these keys, you know what I think you're going to be able to start really zoning in and know and you're like, I think you're on too soft to ski and you're on too stiff to ski, you're on whatever it is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm excited for that part.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just be the full.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to be the miastro of knowing like technique, equipment, tune, everything, so yeah, I love the fact I'm learning more about ski design, all things that affect it, so yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks very much for your time to chat on the topic.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks everyone for listening, I'm going to give a shout out to our new ski coach collective website where the three of us have teamed up and we run some big pictures game camps together with myself where it started but then Jason and Demels are a
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've got their own kind of style and so Jason's got true motion and Demels has got her own camps as well and so you'll also find camps designed and aimed at like what these to love doing and a passion about doing most like Demels are going to Switzerland to do some crazy cool off piste and taking course against stuff Jason and a rama and japan with people that are sort of stuck at the intermediate cracking through to advance level.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So anyway, check out the ski coach, collective.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Check out bigbidgeskeying.com as well if you're self-driven learner.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And thanks very much for following the podcast and listening.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Leave questions in comments below and we'll hopefully see you out on the slopes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_02]: See you on the slopes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks a lot, Tom.
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[SPEAKER_02]: See you to Melzer.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, thanks for getting this far with us.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I hope you enjoyed the discussion between Demelsa, myself and Jason on this topic of ski design and finding the perfect ski for you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if anything, I hope it makes you just think and make some better decisions in the future and just explore this cool sport skiing that we all love.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you do have a really person that's intrigued by the custom skis from original plus, the ones that got here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There'll be some links in the description below and some coupons for a discount for me as well to help Make that price just right for you, but otherwise.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I hope you enjoy your winter wherever it is this coming season And yeah, if you come and see us out on the snow, please come and say hi Thanks for listening and see you next time