Dawson Church | The Science of Rewiring Trauma Into Bliss

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I have a really interesting set of images from a
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scanning electron microscope. You'll see these two neurons on either
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side of the screen live in real time, and they're
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twitching slightly as they wire together. And the time between
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firing together and wiring together is twelve seconds. Every time
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we hold that wonderful state, we are building new neurons
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in our brains, and you want to be holding those states.
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Moving to meditation, stay there for a while. If you
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see a beautiful sunset, don't just blance away, savor it.
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Groll that experience into you.
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The thoughts running to your mind right now are literally
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reshaping your body. Doctor Dawson Church has spent decades starting
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how trauma and live in the brain and how the
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same no chemicals that trap us can also set us free.
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Today we explore the science of bleed, the neurobiology of joy,
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and how practices like EFT or tapping and meditation can
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rewire your brain faster than you ever imagine. Give it
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a listen. My name is doctor Fleet Maull, your co
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host for this session, and I'm really thrilled to be
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here today with my friend and colleague, doctor Dawson Church. Welcome, Dawson.
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But so good to be joining you. Thank you.
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Yes, it's always a joy to have these conversations with you.
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So you've done a lot of research on the whole
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connection between body, mind, brained matter, and so forth, particularly
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on power thoughts and emotions affect our physical, emotional, spiritual health.
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So I wonder if you could share some of your
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findings about the impact of these positive belief systems on
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our physical well being, emotional wellbeing and so forth.
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I'd love to. And it's striking when you have scientific
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measurements available to see just how strongly our thoughts, our beliefs,
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our imagination, all of these seemingly intangible parts of the
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mind affect the body. I have done several studies and
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also run several workshops. We have been looked up to
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advanced egs and other instrumentation, and what you see is
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really striking. Fleet So you get somebody meditating and maybe
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they've done some active pressure tapping and they're in a
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really positive frame of mind. You hook them up to
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the EG and you see all of us reflected on
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the EG. You'll see reflected in terms of skin galvanometer activity,
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and heart rate variability, other physiological measures, And so now
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that iicely relax to see all of these green lights
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on the dashboard of your instrumentation, that their bodies iceend
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lowing and in this relaxed space, then you tell them
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to remember a traumatic event, or think a negative thought,
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or recall a negative worldview, bring up a negative part
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of their lives or a negative belief about the world
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of themselves. And what you see, just like that in
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an instant is all the lights on the dashboard turn red.
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Their heart rate is disregulated, their breathing gets shallow, their
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sympathetic nervous system turns on. Their brain functionors scrambled, Your
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brain waves are nearly as coherent, and your weight doesn't
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function nearly as well. When you're in those states and
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feed it doesn't take ten minutes, it takes a nanosecond,
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and all those changes happen. So we think of our
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thoughts and we think of our beliefs, and we think
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of these as insubstantial, intangible parts of life, but to
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your body, they're completely real. And your body has no
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idea whether that's a bad thing that's really happening, or
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there's just a bad belief, and it reacts with the
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stress response either way, So there's a rapid and immediate effect.
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And I remember once when I was working on my
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book The Genie and Your Genes and doing some of
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this research many many years ago, and reading some of
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these papers and looking at some of these graphs and
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charts on my instruments. I remember just running out of
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my study, out of my lab one day, and my
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teenage son was in the house, and I waved these
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and I said, if people knew all of this, they
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would never have another negative thought in their lives.
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Well, that's an interesting question of how transformational insight can
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be in the face of habituated patterns, robust neural networks
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of support negative patterning. Sometimes it seems we can have
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powerful insight still almost liberate us on the spot. But nonetheless,
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there are powerful habitual patterns that even though we see
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and we know them, we know they're not helpful, we
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know it's not helpful to do them, we still are
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not able to release them immediately. Now, a lot of
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your techniques, of course, I think, facilitate that releasing EFT
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and so forth, and we want to get into that.
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But before that, I'd like to talk a little bit
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like so today on the summer, we're focused on happiness
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and joy and our possibility to rewire our beliefs for
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joyful living and happiness. And it turns out happiness is
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good for us, so and I know you'll talk about that,
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but I'd like to spend a moment just talking about.
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Our beliefs to begin with.
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And you know, it's as we were discussing before we
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started here today. You know, the human condition is we
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have a lot of fear and survivab based biology.
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Job one fra species is survival.
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And in science we talk about the negativity bias that
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we're set up biologically to pay more attention to threat
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and so naturally, and not only that, but our long
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term memory takes in memories of threat, discomfort, alarm, whereas
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positive experiences don't even go in the long term memory
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unless we dwell on them. Like our colleague we're cancer
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and talks about savoring the goods so you can balance out,
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but absence doing that for most of us, our long
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term memory is full of negativity and threat and violence
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and fear, and that that creates an implicit memory where
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we spin everything to the negative, so it really sets
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us up for negativity. And that's just kind of the
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human condition before anything else happens to us. And then
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as we're discussing, there can be ep genetic factors that
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we're inheriting that may be just from our answer grandparents,
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but could even be ancient. And then there's the trauma
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that happens to us in our childhood. Possibly none of
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us come through childhood completely unscathed, and so there's all
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these contributing factors that can set us up. I mean,
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most of us arrive in adulthood with a fair number
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of limiting or negative core beliefs that unconsciously drive how
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we frame our experience, how we understand our experience, and
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then how we respond to it and react to it
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really shape our lives. And most of that's happening unconsciously.
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So I wonder if you could talk a little bit
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about that belief structure that we're up against to begin with,
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and then I want to talk with the many wonderful
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modalities you offer for transforming all that, maybe more readily
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and more quickly than we often think we can.
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And you're right that we have all this way, and
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our brains are hardwired this way. I am mountain bike
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usually twice a day, and there's a big nature preserved
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near me. And as I'm biking along these woodland trails,
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and see what's in the trailer in front of me,
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and I'll eve them be mountain biking, or I'll be
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walking the trail and I notice what's laying on the trail,
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and there are these little branches that fall from the trees,
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that there'll be a branch laying there. But also there
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are snakes. There are some few rattlesnakes, and there are
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a lot of gopher snakes that look like rattlesnakes. And
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so I picture my ancestor in the same situation a
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million years ago. And so here she is walking down
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the path a million years ago, and there's this little
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swriggle on the path in front of her. Is a stick?
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Is a snake? Now? The optimist says, it's hardly ever
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a snake. It's almost always a stick. And she's right.
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Nine hundred and ninety nine times under one thousand, you
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get close to it, it turns out to be a
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stick one time, only one time in one thousand. Is
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it a stake? The pessimist looks ahead, sees every single
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stick as a snake, assumes it's a snake. And so
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the pessimist has a much bleaker world view, a much
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worse life, a much higher level of cortisol, much higher
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level of stress because she is thinking that every single
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one of those sticks as a snake, whereas the optimist
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is thinking that everything's always a stick. But the problem
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with that kind of worldview is that the one time
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that it really is a snake, the optimist gets bitten
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and dies and weed it out of the gene pool,
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and the pessimist, who's all worried about every single possibility
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of a steak, lives, and so our happy people were
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weeded from the gene pool. And after repeating this process
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for millions of years, you have human beings who can
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have no threats in their environment, and they still will
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get upset and stressed. So we are truly hard wired
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for this. And when we try and meditate, we close
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your eyes. We say, okay, I'm trying to escape all
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of these thoughts in my mind, all of these stress
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filled imaginings, and I'm going to meditate. You close your eyes,
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and of course all of those negative thoughts flat in.
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So meditation is really difficult for most people. As a result,
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you're swimming against the tide of fourteen billion years of evolution.
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So what do you do? How do you fix this?
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How do you shift it? And you need techniques and tools,
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and we have a whole bunch of them that have
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been passed down over thousands of years through the Vedas,
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through the mystical tradition, wonderful tools. And what we now
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have that our ancestors didn't have even fifty one hundred
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years ago, is we have modern neuroscience and we can
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now filter those ancient techniques through the lens of neuroscience.
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So I've done a bunch of EG studies, a bunch
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of gene studies, hormone studies, MRI studies, and we filter
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all these ancient techniques through that lens of what really
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works scientifically, and we now can train people in those
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methods and start to overcome that negativetivity bias. Not immediately.
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It's going to take some training and some focus and
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some time, but not ten thousand hours, not as the
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blahgahblah Vita says, ten thousand lifetimes. But we can learn
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to retrain ourselves very quickly and rewrite those old messages,
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the old miss just do get over written in time.
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There's this wonderful new field of psychology called memory reconsolidation
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and extinction. And even take even somebody with a really established,
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long established memory of the bad, and if you use
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these evidence based techniques, you can start to reconsolidate those
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negative memories, often in just a few sessions of the
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therapy or a few practices of an effective technique. So
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we're just really at an amazing time in history when
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we can literally rewire our brains for positivity quickly.
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It is a really exciting time to be alive. At
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the intersection of ancient wisdom and current neuroscience is opening
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up so many possibilities. So one of the kind of
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extreme versions of that human condition that we all kind
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of begin with, and you know, the negative beliefs, a
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lot of them have to do it I'm not enough
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or there's not enough of the desirable things in life
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to go around. But there's also the fundamental one of
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I'm not safe, and so veterans often end up with
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symptomology of PTSD postmatic stress disorder, which is a profound
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imprint of non safety, and then becomes even more complicated
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than that and can become reinforced. And I know you've
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done a lot of work with veterans and employing emotional
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freedom technique or active pressure tapping, and I wonder if
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you could talk about that work a little bit, because
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you know in some ways that these simple techniques can
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help veterans who are suffering really the debilitating impact of PTSD,
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that are suffering from having been in combat. Then what
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might these techniques do for the rest of us who
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are maybe dealing with all kinds of ancestral trauma or childato,
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but maybe not as severe. And we're dealing with not
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quite a severe symptomology either. But once you talk about
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your work with veterans and your research there.
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So people with PTSD and veterans especially get stuck in
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what we call a trona loop where you're just focused
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on those traumatic events and they're looping through your mind
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and over and over again. And what happens the brain
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is that signles events sent to them bigdala right away
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straight from the hippocampus to the imigala down into the
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body the HPA axis, triggering the release of cortosol, laurapinephrin,
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and you're in a full fledged vital flight response, and
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it's just by thought alone, and that's going on every
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day all day, that high level of threat and stress.
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What's meant happen in the brain is the hippocampus is
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meant to refer thoughts into the pre fytal lobes and
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the cortex where they get evaluated and then we can
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sift and sort them into threatening and non threatening ones.
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That's the way it's meant to work. That long loop
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actually gets short circuited in a lot of veterans with PTSD,
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and is the short loop straight from the memory or
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even the body sensation straight to the imigala, straight to
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the real lands and producing quotozol. So we have worked
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now with thousands of veterans who are stuck in that
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trauma loop. I just want to have a little kind
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of put a pin on that for a second and
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just mention that in one Harvard study with tens of
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thousands of people, they beat them on their cell phones
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at random intervals and they asked them how they were feeling.
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And that study showed that even the general population, these
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are just normal people. They are not clinical, they are
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not in treatment for mental health issues. But even those
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people forty six percent of the time, they were miserable
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and they were experiencing negative intrusive thoughts. So veterans are
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or people with PTSD are even in even worse shape
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mentally because they're they've got this trauma loop running. But
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even the majority of us forty six percent of the time,
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we are in that inbodtary negative thinking. That's what the
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intrusive thought category. We don't want to think those thoughts.
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I don't want to think about the bad stuff and
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it pops into my mind. So what we've done in
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our research is we've looked into we've now had tens
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of thousands of veterans of treatment. We on our training
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therapists in the BA, we train nurses Cleveland Clinic. We
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prained people at Johns Hopkins. We prain people in kinds
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of Promenente big hospital systems. So through my organization's training arm,
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we're training people all over the world and we're now
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in disaster zones. We're in Palestine, we're training people in Ukraine.
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now as well as those that have been going through
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other wars. And we found that what happens is when
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you apply acupressure. When you bring them into the picture,
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it interrupts that trauma loop. So somebody's looping on the
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trauma when they start applying acupressure, which is simply using
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your fingertips and rubbing or tapping on a series of
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active points in the body. That emotional brain that is
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so active when we're feeling negative emotion, that emotional part
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of the brain, the limbic system, just calms down. If
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people hooked up to an EEG and they start doing
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EFT tapping, we see that initially when the thinking about
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that event, their emotional brain gets all lit up. Like
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I worked with one woman who had gone through a
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terrible car crash. She'd been partially disabled through it. There
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were many other problems that she went through afterwards, so
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the event was traumatic compounded by a whole group of
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losses in her life after that, and her body was rigid.
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crash many many years later. She was still highly emotional,
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stuck in that trauma loop more than a decade after
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the event. And then we were tapping, and as she tapped,
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it was amazing to see her breathing deepen, her heart
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stopped pounding, her shoulders relaxed, she became much more flexible
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in her body. And when we had those patients hooked
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up to EGS, what we see is that emotional midbrain,
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which is highly lit up in the trauma loop, gets
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quiet and the person still at the end of the
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tapping session remembers the car crash, remembers the war, firefight
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in the war, remembers the death of a loved one,
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remembers the financial crash. They went through their memories intact.
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That EFT tapping breaks the association in the brain between
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the memory and going into vital flight. No longer is
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that single being sent to the amigdala and then the
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renal glands to make cortosol. Now you're calm, that part
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of the brain is quiet, and you can tell the story,
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even a tragic story about your life, with very little emotion.
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It's just a fact like everything else. It's no longer
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being mistaken by your mind or your brain as a
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threat to your survival. So that's the magic of introducing
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this element of active pressure tapping into traumatic processing. What
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happens is we then reconsolidate those memories into our neural network,
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but minus those emotional tags of threat, and it's just
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amazing to do this for the first time with the veteran.
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You remember tapping with one young man who had lost
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a good friend in a firefight in Iraq, and he
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was just still a ten out of ten in terms
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of emotionality around the death of his friend. After tapping,
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his numbers went way way down, and he sold the
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whole event differently. So we've done this style with thousands
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of refugees, thousands of people who are highly traumatized, thousands
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of veterans, and it's just remarkable to see these people
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get their lives back. In Fort Hood, I did it
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with one circle of veterans. Fort Hood is the biggest
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military base in the US, and I was doing it
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at the PTSD center there, tapping with a group of veterans.
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One of them walked in so angry because the guard
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at the gate had been inept and slow letting him through.
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And he was absolutely a ten out of ten in
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terms of intense white hot anger at this guard, at
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a new guard and off we taped. A few minutes later,
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he said, you know, I realized now that guy was
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new was his first day on the job. He didn't
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know what he was doing. So I guess I need
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to breathe and give them a break. So people change
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their whole world view, their whole perspective on the world,
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and they now do see the world as a safe place.
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They do see themselves as belonging. All of those fixed
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beliefs about how the world is, how my body is,
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how other people are, what I deserve, my place in
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the universe, all of those things shift free naturally once
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we are able to resolve those involuntary trauma loops centraumatic thoughts.
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That's fascinating and so in a mobile well, I want
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to talk about how we can use tapping and other
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techniques to really not only heal TROUMPA it's obviously very necessary,
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but to optimize well being, an optimize even happiness enjoy
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in our lives. But for people that are not so
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familiar with tapping, my understanding of it is under your
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influence and the ortners with the tapping solution. I became
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a tapping practice about two years ago, and I do
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it every morning as part of a priming routine, and
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I do it with a set of affirmations and my
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understanding of how it's generally done, it's often as you're
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tapping your maybe acknowledging what you're feeling and which could
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be difficult emotions or stress, but then you also respond
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with an affirmation of how you would like to feel
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or what you might replace that feeling with or something.
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But when you're doing it with the veterans, I assume
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it's like a combination of the EFT or active pressure
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tapping and traditional talk therapy, some kind of processing. They're
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doing emotional processing, they're doing yeah.
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And initially be actually DOGE combined with positive statements, because
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we want people to really get into their negative emotions.
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If you think about most children and their experience early
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in life, bad things happen to the family. My two
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middle grand daughters now have new bunnies, new rabbit pets,
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and occasionally in our group of grandkids, a bunny has
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died and they're the five year old seven year old
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is just distraught over the death of her bunny, and
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what the parents will do try to help her is say,
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don't worry, dear, We'll get you another bunny. So what
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that's doing is that's short circuiting her greeting process that
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happens with the bunny. Grandma dies when the kid is eleven,
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and everyone says, we'll have a memorial for her, and
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then they just keep on going with their lives. So
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their friend moves away when they're in second grade to
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a different city. They lose their best friend, and mom says,
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very helpfully, well, don't worry, Donnie, you'll make new friends.
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All that grief that we should be feeling doesn't get felt.
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So now, Like, one woman walked into one of my
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live workshops and said, I'm so hoping you would help
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me get over my grief at the death of my husband.
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And this one was about fifty five years old, and
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I asked her, well, when did your husband die? She said,
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fifteen years ago. And I realized in that second she
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wasn't carrying that grief over the death of her husband.
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Only who was all the unhealed wounds of her childhood,
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all the unmourned losses that she's now bundley into her
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husband's deaths. And now our husband dies when she's forty
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and then fifty five, she's still grieving. So we're meant
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to feel, We're meant to grieve, We're meant to have
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those those emotions, and often people have never really been
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allowed to have them. We're in this society where there's
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toxic positivity that people say, get over it, this tu
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shol pass, look on the bright side. And absolutely we
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need to move to the bright side. But first we
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have to really feel our grief. When we do MRI
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trials with Tibetan monks, for example, and the Tibetan monk
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setting hooked up to an EG and in one room
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in the lab, and then in a different room another
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part of the lab, a recording this plate of a
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child crying, screaming, So the Tibetan monk doesn't know there's
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not a real child there that this recording is playing.
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It sounds like this real child in distress. What happens
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in the EG is so interesting. That Tibetan monk who's
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been meditating for forty thousand hours, his spike of brain
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activity is bigger, his distress is greater than the average person.
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But immediately it switches to different parts of the brain
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which are focused on how can I help so big emotion,
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then switching right away to let me be of assistance,
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what can I do for that person? So this does
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not mean not being in our emotions. Yet he allows
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us to feel our emotions. We have those veterans, We
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have them think about the death of that person, the blood,
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the gore, the maiming, the loss, and we let them
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sit there for a while. If it's a loved one,
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we might let that person cry, and often the person says,
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I have never cried like that in my life. We
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do not go positive on them. If you go positive
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on them, you are taking away their feelings, just the
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way their mom did when she said we'll buy you
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a new bunny, or their dad did when he said
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you'll make new friends. So we go ahead, just plunge
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into the well of unhealed grief and negative emotion. And
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we may do that for a while. With our plenty
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guidelines published in the Kise of Permanent a journal, we
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say ten sessions. Let people sit there, feel all of
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the feelings they've never had a chance to let move
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through their bodies. And what will happen is miraculous fleet
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After we do that, eventually the person goes positive automatically.
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We find our core, We find our resilience. After we
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mind all of our grief automatically, we flip into positivity
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and the person says, you know, I realize now that
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was a formative experience to help me be the person
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I have today, and they their belief changes. They now
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I have a positive meaning around their story. Oh, I
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lost my house in the Great Recession, and now I
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realize that helped me to be a much better manager
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of my money. I lost that my marriage, but you
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know I help me be compassionate and get much better
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at relationship skills than I used to be. I had cancer,
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I then learned to take care of my body. It's
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remarkable how people flip their beliefs completely. And when I
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first heard a patients say to me many many years ago,
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cancer was the best thing that ever happened to me,
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I couldn't process that. But I've heard many cancer patients
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say that to me, and they now have learned to
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make a positive belief out of the most negative thing
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that could possibly happen to them. So that's the potential
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of these healing techniques is we don't try and make
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them better or apply positive psychology. We let ourselves feel that.
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We feel that tension in the body, feel that unhealed
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stuff we've been you know, the body heaps the score
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in bessel bend Kulk's words or bill Helm right body armor.
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We let them feel and then we let it go.
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And then that's when Carl Rogers said this many in
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the nineteen fifties. He said, we feel it, and paradoxically,
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it's that feeling and that confrontation of our wounds that
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opens the door to healing.
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Well, I'm very glad you made that really clear awesome
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because some people, I think mistakenly sometimes think some of
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these takes tchniques involve some kind of spiritual bypassing or
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you know, the idea of talk toic cappiness. But this
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is really the pathway is through and you know there's
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that in psychology they talk about the pain paradox We
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naturally want to withdraw from pain and push it away
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or withdraw from it, but transformations on the other side
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of pain. So it seems like tapping is it gives
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people a safe way to move through these experiences and
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then the transformation can begin to happen organically.
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So let's talk a.
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Bit now about you know, we all have healing work.
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They do all the time and throughout our lives. When
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we have lots of things occur, that challenges occur that
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we're going to need to work with and heal and
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move through. And there are times when we're in a
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relative state of wellness and we can really work with
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optimizing our well being, optimizing our happiness and experiencing more joy,
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and that's actually going to deepen deepen our resilience for
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when the tough challenges do arrive. So you've developed something,
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you know, these days you hear the word stack alike,
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So you have your tech stack. You know, people that
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are into microdosing or nutraceuticals talk about their supplements staff.
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And you've created kind of a meditation stack that you
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call echo meditation. And I've done it quite a few times.
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It's quite amazing, and it's influenced the way I do
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my daily meditation anyway, especially the priming routine I do
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first thing in the morning. And so I wonder if
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you could talk about echo meditation of how you arrived
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at it and how you develop this kind of stack
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and what it's meant to do. And I know you've
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identified the neurochemical basis of the process and so forth,
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So let's talk about eco meditation. What a transformation isn't
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Yeah. Well, I developed it partly because I had some
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troubled meditation myself all my life. And then I was
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happy to see when science began evaluating meditation, how there
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were studies showing which kinds of meditation had which in
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the body. But I was at a conference that I
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speak at every year, and people were touting their stuff,
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like the EFT people were saying how great AFT was,
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and the heart mat people were saying how great her
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Heroes technique was, and the people doing buy A feedback
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and nearer feedback talking about that, and the mindfulness people,
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and so I essentially I stole all that stuff. I said,
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what would happen if I did some tapping, and on
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top of that, I layered, like a layer cake. We
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put a mindfulness routine. On top of that, we knew
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the quick coherence technique. On top of that, MUS do
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some self hypnosis, then some nearer feedback BUYO feedback, and
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I layered these things together and I first of all
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tried it on myself and boom, I was in a
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deeper state than I'd ever been before. It was absolutely amazing,
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and I didn't have to struggle to steal my mind.
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So I've never succeeded in stilling my mind. I've been
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meditating now every single day for about a quarter of
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a century, and I still mean today's met If I
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were to be scored, you know, as an a student
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through an F student on stealing the mind, I still
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after twenty five years would get an F today. You know,
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it is too hard to steal the mind because our
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mind is just designed to wonder and look around for
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what's happening in the environment. So I do all those things.
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My mind became much more still than it had been before,
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and I found myself in this deep space and hitting
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what the mystics called a void, this wonderful open sometimes
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it's called empty space, but it's full of light and
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love and energy and consciousness. So you're in the void.
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People get there, and they're very surprised to find they
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get there really easily. Many people the first time they
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try eco meditation with that stack, that layer cake of techniques,
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it takes about five minutes, so many people are able
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to have profound mystical experiences the very first time. So
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the next year, at that same conference, I asked the
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organizers if I could do it with the whole group.
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The whole conference, and I was amazed to leave them
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through eco meditation and watch a whole big room full
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of people all come into hard coherence together and sync.
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So it's an effective technique. It's really easy. It's free
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on the web. There are hundreds of tracks out there.
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I've recorded a bunch of tracks, and other people have
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been recording their own tracks. Eco meditation and you just
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basically all layering those evidence based techniques into a sequence
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takes about five minutes. Then you're in this deep state.
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Now I just to say, is that's not all there
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is to meditation. This is a this is these are
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training wheels. After a while, you memorize them, you can
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get there really quickly. Once you are there, though, you
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can do all kinds of interesting things. You can pray,
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you can affirm, you can imagine, you can reformat your
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belief system, you can connect with the infinite. I love.
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After I've done that basic stack in the first five minutes,
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either then will travel out and go back into the void,
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back into the cosmos, back into boot of mine, and
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just sit there for them maybe half an hour, and
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just enjoy that vast open field of possibilities and then
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distantapping and return back to everyday life because you have
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to ground yourself. People doing equanditation get way out into
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the cosmos. We have to bring them back into their
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bodies so they can drive a car, ride a bicycle,
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change the baby stipers, balance the checkbook, be effective in
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the world.
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When kind of framing this in terms of our conversation
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around beliefs, when we have these meditative experiences of being
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in that space of stillness, the void, emptiness, and so forth,
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sometimes experiences of non self, you know, we can kind
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of look back or we often have the experience sort
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of coming out of it. Anyway, we get this in
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lots of different ways that can have an organically. We
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get to the sense of looking back at our mind, right,
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the content of our mind, and we see all those
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beliefs and the identities and you know, some positive, some negative,
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some in between, all these beliefs and narratives and so
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forth that we think of as who we are, and
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we hold it a little more lightly and we see
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that they're all basically stories and narratives and constructs. And
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you know, it's not that we're not being dismissive of
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the reality of our life, but we're meeting making machines.
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We're constantly telling ourselves stories. We're creating these beliefs and narratives,
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and they're very malleable and they don't need to run
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our life, and they're changeable. And so when we're outside
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of that belief structure, first of all, we realize, oh,
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I can actually have an experience free from all that.
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But also I can see that I can because I'm
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not going to probably stay free of it all the time.
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I can see that belief structure is much more changeable
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than I thought.
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And I think one of the.
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Biggest barriers for change for people is you often hear
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people say, well, that's just the way I am. I've
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always been that way, you know, And so we get
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we all we grow up with a strong need for identity,
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you know, in childhood we're developing itself and grasping to
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some identity structure just to navigate the world. And we're
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pretty you know, we cling to that pretty tightly. But
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if we can have experiences beyond that and hold it
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more lightly, then we realize that our identity doesn't have
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to drive our life so much, and the identity is
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much more malleable. And that really to me begins the
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process of transformation. Curious why thoughts on that.
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It is maneable. And early research in the nineteen fifties
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and sixties came up with the idea that our personality
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is fixed by the time we're around twenty And what
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they said was that we had these formative experiences they
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crystallized at around fifteen eighteen twenty five, and that's the
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way we were the rest of our lives. Nearer research,
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better research, long term researchers show that people actually can
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change a whole lot over the course of their lifetime,
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often radically. And the Harvard Development Program is really powerful
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set of studies that has showed us how people develop.
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It got going in nineteen thirty eight when there was
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a battery of tests performed on the entire Harvard incoming
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freshman class, and it continues today. So now studying the children, grandchildren,
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great grandchildren of the original Harvard members, and what they're
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finding is that there are phases of human development. And
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one of the directors of the Harvard Development Project, Robert Keegan,
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says that the thing that's most impactful in terms of
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personal growth, individuation, adult development is what he calls making
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the subject object shift, the same thing that in Buddhism
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is called the witness perspective, when you're able to look
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at yourself from a perspective, and again there are parts
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of the brain involved in what we call perspective taking.
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When those are turned on, when you look at yourself
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as an object, I am now looking at me. I'm
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a witness looking at me, you realize, Oh, those fixations,
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those beliefs, those personality structures are not that important, not
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even that interesting. Frankly, people put great store by their
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preferences and their wants and their desires and their visualizations,
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and honestly, much of it doesn't matter. What doesn't matter
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is what el this. Huxley called the perennial philosophy, and
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the perennial philosophy says that there is an unchanging, immutable
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something below the changing world. There is this unchanging part
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of reality below the changing world. Secondly, that there is
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a element of that in us. And the third element
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of the perennial philosophy that analyzes all the world's traditions
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is that our job as human beings in our lifetime
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is to connect the two, the local consciousness and the
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non local one. And when you do that when you're
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in meditation, when you're experiencing yourself from the witness perspective,
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looking down on this little bag of preferences and likes
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and dislikes and beliefs and personality structures. None of it
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is important. When it starts collapsing, you really don't even care.
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Is so boring. It's going to die anyway, and it's
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so die when your body dies. And say, Teresa talked
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a lot about this, and some of the Eastern mystics
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as well. Let it die now. The sooner that stuff
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just is swept away, the sooner you can be the
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infinite looking out through human eyes and being in those
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non dual states. So you want to make that subject
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object shift. You want to be in meditation, enter the
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space of oneness for one thing, it's ecstatic for another thing.
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When you come back, you are now a channel for
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the wisdom, for the love that is present in that space,
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and it just flows all around you. We find that
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people initially start to feel light. There's light in there
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their brains, light in their minds, light in their heads
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that there wasn't before. And then in advanced states, that
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light starts to move around you and there are people
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who just glow. I know I'm married to one. I'm
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married to a glowing being, and so many of my
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friends too, are these I just I stare at them.
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I think what a magnificent being of light this person is,
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And then fleet my difficult practice is I look at
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people who am making war on others and people who
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are putting acts of violence toward others, and then my
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challenges I need to see them as life beings too
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very difficult to meet. But you know, I'm working on it.
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I think that's a really important practice. So I wonder
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if you could talk about the neurochemical basis of this
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APT I know you've you and others in research have
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identified various neurotransmitters. They're related to the experience of happiness, joy, bliss,
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and there's even the idea of the bliss molecule.
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I wonder if you could talk about that a little.
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What do we know about that in the brain and
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when we're able to kind of cultivate that neurochemical landscape
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in the brain and we have those experiences, what are
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the benefits of that for our health and all being,
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our resilience. What are the long term benefits of spending
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time in that state.
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I met a with one of my live workshops in
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New York recently, and what I do in most appearances,
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I challenge people to download ecommditation because it's free on
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the web. Download ec meditation and do it without excuse
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or fail for thirty days. And so this woman had
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taken the challenge. Thousands of people have taken the thirty
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day ecummditation challenge. Just do it, download the free track,
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listen to it every day for thirty days. And so
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she said, yeah, I did your challenge. I downloaded it
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and I listened for thirty days. And I said, I'm
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so glad to do that for yourself. And what day
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are you on right now? And she said, I'm on
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day one hundred and forty six. Now what's going on there?
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Why did she make that resolution to do this for
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thirty days and she couldn't stop afterwards? The reason is
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because the neurochemicals that meditation leases in your brain are
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highly addictive. Dopamine rises up to sixty five percent in
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the brains of meditators. A sixty five percent rise in dopamine.
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Dopamine is your reward molecule. It works on the part
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of the brain that has reward neurotransmitters, receptors, and so
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docs with those receptors and meditations producing a lot of
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it in your brain. So the same neurochemical that you
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get in the reward when you take fentanyl or cocaine
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or heroin or alcohol, is smoking or chocolate. All of
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these things are the reward system and they're mediated by dopamine.
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So you get lots of dopamine and use get addicted
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to meditation. Serotonin has the same chemical structure as psilocybin
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magic mushrooms. People say, do you take magic mushrooms? I
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say no, I meditate. So here I have these serotonin
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molecules docking with the same receptive sites as psilocybin. So
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I'm feeling this high anandamide that this molecule has the
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same chemical structure as THC, the active in wediated in marijuana,
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and it's a lockin process where these these substances dock
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with those receptor sites and we feel wonderful. So our
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brains are are disproducing copious amounts of dope MEAE, oxytocin, serotonin, A, nandamide,
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nitric oxide, beta endorphin, and you are basically so high
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after a few minutes of ecomeditation that you don't want
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to stop, and then you do it for thirty days
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and then you're on today one hundred and forty six
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before you know it, because you become addicted to feeding
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that good. All kinds of other positive things happen as well.
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And so in my book Blisp Brain, I devote quite
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a big chunk of the book to these molecules. How
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they are like either pharmaceutical drugs. Beta endorphin is like morphine,
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and a nanamide is like THHC, but they have no
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side effects. They're produced endogynousy by your body. You can't
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overdose on them, and you feel ecstatic when you do this.
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So that's what I recommend people do. And if you
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want to dive into what those molecules are and how
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to evoke them in meditation, in Blisprain, I have a
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detailed map of how these bliss molecules all work together.
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A combination of these seven bis molecules make us feel
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fantastic and the effect extends throughout our day.
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I read Bliss Brain, and I really encourage people who
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are insted in the neurochemistry of joy and bliss and
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happiness to get that book and explore this fascinating So
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I want I'd like to ask you a question just
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about happiness altogether. So you know, you mentioned that this
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neurochemical mix can be addictive, right, and for most of us,
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we're probably that we're not going to take that in
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the same direction we would with a drug addiction. But
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I did have a wonderful woman that I dated at
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an earlier time in my life. She was divorced and
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her ex husband was a meditator and he was involved
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with TM. And this is no knock on TM, but
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he got so involved in it that he's somewhat ignored
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the needs of his family. You know, he focused on
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that so much that he was ignoring his life a bit.
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And so she had a little bit of a negative
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view of that, right of you know, meditation and so forth,
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because she felt he got so into it at the
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expense of his family.
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So we do need to come.
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Back into the world in terms of you know, the
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Dhali Lama says what unites us all as human beings.
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We all want to be happy. We all want to
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feel safe, secure and happy, and there's nothing wrong with
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that and nothing wrong with being happy. Obviously, but sometimes
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people think, well, you know, how can I be happy
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when there's so many terrible things happening in the world.
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We here, we're in this kind of poly crisis now
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with so many different crises and the existential, existential threat
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of climate change, and some people may almost feel guilty
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about being happy, and that may be wrapped up in
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some you know, conditioning from our childhood or even epigenetic conditioning.
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But you know, it seems like people I hear this
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a lot, and all kinds of programs are right here.
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It seems like people almost need permission to be happy.
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I give it to you granted, like a permission forever. Yeah,
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there are all these things going on in the world.
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But you know, there are all kinds of things going
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in the world all the time. You know, if you're
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in the sixties, you live through the Cuban missile crisis,
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and you live through all kinds of other threats, wars
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of the Vietnam War. I mean, there's always stuff going
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on in the world. You go back to any decade
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in history, there's never been a time when there was
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so is there more happening now? Actually not really, I've
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just always been a series of challenges and difficulties for
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our human family. And what I look at is the
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Gallop Survey, which has done every few years of global happiness,
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and what it finds is really interesting, which is that
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now these are all these are surveys of all these
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different countries of the world how happy people are. And
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these people are all living in the same world with
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all the same problems climate change and racial inequality, income disparities,
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all these same issues, the same world, same issues. But
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the Gallup Happiness Survey finds that about twenty percent of
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people are seeing the world through very negative glasses, and
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they rank themselves at the very bottom of the happiness scale.
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And the percentage of people in the US ranking them
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themselves the bottom of the happiness scale has almost doubled
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in the last twenty years. It's been a big rise
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in the US, big rise in some large companies like Mexico, India,
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and China. So there's about twenty percent of the global
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population thinking that the world is a terrible place. But
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what is not appreciated is that twenty percent of the
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global population is seeing the world as great and getting better,
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and the rest of the people are somewhere in between.
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Those two extremes. How can these people who are seeing
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the world as fantastic now again, they're usually meditating, they're
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usually exercising self care, they're usually doing good things for
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their bodies. They're choosing to fill their mind with positive media,
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positive sources of information. And so they're living in the
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same world as the people who are miserable, and yet
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they are in heaven. So they're in heaven. Other people
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are in hell in the same world. And that's the paradox.
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And our job, our responsibility as adults, is to use
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that subject object ship become the way see ourselves objectively,
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fulfill ourselves with love, and then you start to see
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the world as a much more bright and hopeful place.
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I mean, I always quote a few in my book
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Bis Brain. I end the book as well as my
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earlier book Mind to Matter I and both books with
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a chapter on everything good happening in the world. And
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I was looking through about four hundred studies for both books,
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I picked about twenty. But for the actual big data
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on how we're doing is studying. Look at the homicide rate,
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and there are homicide numbers from roughly twelve hundred AD
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to the present eight hundred years and in all the
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countries that track it, it's been going down, and over
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the last few years it's been going down fast. Look
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at the number of people killed in wars, both combatants
826
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and non combatants. You look at the number of wars
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between great powers, that number has been and going down.
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Extreme poverty absolutely stunning story of how extreme poverty has
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gone down in the world dramatically in the last century
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and half century. The average global citizen is three times
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as wealthy as he or she was only in nineteen eighty.
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Female literacy, infant mortality, whatever metric you look at, human rights,
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everything is trending in a positive direction. Now doesn't mean
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I'm denying that we have these real problems, Absolutely not.
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We have. I mean climate change is an existential threat
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to the planet and the human race. We have all
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these other things like wars, like the breakdown of intrigated
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politics and democracy are these are absolutely real problems. We
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can't deny any of them, but will be much smarter
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and much more resilient if we are meditating, if we're
841
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moving into that point of well being and from that
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perspective working on those big global issues. So even though
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it looks the picture looks bleak. Objectively, the data show
844
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read the lost chapter of mind matter and bliss brain
845
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and you'll feel much better, much more shereful.
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Well, that's so important, I think, I said. Daniel Pinker
847
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is at his name who cattaloged that in a very
848
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well known book and data driven.
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Enlankment now is his book? Brilliant book.
850
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You know, I also remember seeing a ted dog quite
851
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a few years ago. I can't seem to find it anymore.
852
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But a gentleman was talking about you know, if you
853
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just pay attention to the media, you'll think things are
854
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pretty bad, right, But he was talking, you know, he
855
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had examined all the wonderful projects, nonprofit organizations, governmental, non
856
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governmental things that are going on, really positive things going
857
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and if you connect all the dots with that and
858
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get the gestalta, you see there's this amazing way of
859
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a wonderful human activity happening as well. And so, you know,
860
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apart from the fact that we are up against this
861
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existential threat of climate change, other than that, things have
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actually been getting better. And I think it's really important
863
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to have that historical perspective. And also, you know, sometimes
864
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the knock on personal evolution, personal growth can be that
865
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it's self involved, or it's narcissistic, or how can you
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focus on your own happiness when the world is all
867
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those kind of ideas, But you can also just think
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about logically, like does making myself more miserable help the
869
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world be any this? Right? You know? Because there will
870
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really need one more unhappy person.
871
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Is that going to help anything? Right? You know?
872
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So I think there's some pretty clear common sense logic there.
873
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So I'd like to a couple more questions here. One
874
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is the long term effect of rewiring our beliefs. And
875
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we haven't mentioned the term, but obviously it's been underlying
876
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a lot of what we've been talking about the phenomenal
877
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of neuroplasticity. That the brain we have is not fixed,
878
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it's changeable. And as Web said, neurons and buyer together
879
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wire together. So I through repreated association and activities, we
880
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can create new neural networks that support more life affirming
881
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or healthy activities and so forth. So but like for example,
882
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doing eco meditation, you may find yourself, you know, in
883
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a state of happiness or blister joy or peace or stillness.
884
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Well that's a temporary state and it's a trait. So
885
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how do we get from there to from a state
886
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to a trait where doing things over time that starts
887
00:49:11.440 --> 00:49:15.239
to become more of our default baseline, like our baseline
888
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of happiness, our baseline of joy actually arises. So I
889
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wonder if you could just mention that briefly, and then
890
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we have one final question for you.
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In bliss Brain, I have a really interesting set of
892
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images from a scanning electron microscope. And in the video
893
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taken by this microscope, you see these two neurons on
894
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either side of the screen live in real time, and
895
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they're twitching slightly as they're firing together. I remember that, Yes,
896
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I read that image. And then they wire together. They
897
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shake as they wire together, and the time between firing
898
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together and wiring together is twelve seconds. So every twelve seconds,
899
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every fifteen twenty seconds, every time we hold that wonderful state,
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we are building new neurons in our brains, and you
901
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want to be holding those states. Moving to meditation, stay
902
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there for a while. If you see a beautiful sunset,
903
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don't just last and a glance away. Savor it. Draw
904
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that experience into you. When my wife and I hug,
905
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we hug each other for a long time. My children
906
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warned people entering our house parents give long hugs. Why not,
907
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you know, why not savor the loves, savor the joy.
908
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And so you want to be building those neural pathways. Now,
909
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say a bit of person who's subject anger, prone to upset,
910
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a negative thinker, what about all those neural pathways. Well,
911
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research shows that after about two weeks, those neural bundles,
912
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they aren't firing anymore, and the wiring starts to disintegrate.
913
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Our body has no use for unused muscle fibers, neural fibers,
914
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bone cells, and it starts to remove those circuits, and
915
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after a few months those circuits just start to dissolve.
916
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The brain is highly plastic. And one of the mistakes
917
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that I think, or misunderstandings there is really a neuroscience
918
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as a feel, is a lack of understanding of how
919
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fast and radical the brain changes are. We're not showing
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like this one eCOM meditation trial. We did randomized control
921
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trial comparing ecommditation with the placebo, and we found that
922
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in thirty days people had radical rewiring of their brains.
923
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It doesn't take that long, just twenty minutes a day,
924
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and people's brains were changing. So the negative stuff, the
925
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negative neural pathways. They are falling apart rapidly. This is
926
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a process called pruning. Your brain doesn't when you sleep.
927
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You spend the majority of your sleeping hours not firing
928
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and wiring, but pruning away all the old stuff. So
929
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you want to be doing this, Why are those neurons
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of love and contentment and compassionate awe and joy and selflessness?
931
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And just fail your mind with these inspirational thoughts and
932
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ideas away all the rest of it, and you start
933
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to literally change your brain. Then when you do have
934
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that adverse circumstance, you are that resilient person. As far
935
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as the question about getting so wrapped up in it
936
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that you aren't there, absolutely, that is one issue that
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advanced meditators start to have. Their heads are in the
938
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clouds and they aren't really grounded. So after every each
939
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meditation track, every single one ends with a grounding exercise.
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You want to ground yourself. Feel the earth, look around you,
941
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notice the time, the date, Notice if your baby's diaperty
942
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is changing, has your coffee gotten cold? So you go
943
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to do the practical stuff as well.
944
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There's their expression enlightenment and then the laundry, right, yes,
945
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coming back from the mountain and return to the marketplace.
946
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So all the different traditions have had this idea. We
947
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have these experiences, they can really shift our perspective in
948
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phenomenal ways and permanently, but we still come back and
949
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deal with our lives and serve in the world. So
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my final question for you, Dawson is experience of working
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with people over so many years, what's one of the
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most common or one of the most pernicious and debilitating,
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limiting beliefs that you find people have? And then what
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might be sort of an evidence based approach to changing that,
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deconstructing and changing and replacing it.
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So on, What a fabulous question to contemplate the most
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debilitating beliefs people have, And I'd say they're usually about
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themselves rather than the world around them. And when I'm
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working with people in live workshops or in our online courses,
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as people describe what's going on in their minds, they
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often have self talk about themselves that is so negative.
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I remember I was doing EFT tapping on myself during
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one weight loss class I taught live to a group
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of women, and when they told me their self talk fleet,
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I was crying inside because they were saying such horrible
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things to themselves about their bodies, about their self worth,
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about their looks, about their health, about all about their future.
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And it was really sad to hear. I worked with
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a bunch of five MILGIA patients once in a certain
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phase when I was building our five MILGIA program, and
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also the kinds of beliefs they had, the hopelessness they
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had about their conditions. So we have always limiting things
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about the self. And notice what you're saying. Do you
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say things like I'm no good with money, I have
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no sense of direction, I'm a sickly person, this part
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of my body just doesn't work right. We have all
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of these stories of limitation in our head, and if
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when I'm doing my live workshops, my goal is to
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help people sweep them away. They are mostly lies. When
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I was in school, high school mathematics teacher and she
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ranked the class into three groups. In the front row
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rule the mathematically bright kids. In the back row were
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all the kids who are already dumb bad in mathematics,
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and then in the middle were all the intermediate kids.
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That was the way she set up the class. Where
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do you think she put me? I she did not
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qualify for the back row. There were two chairs behind
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the back row. I got one and another boy got
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another one. We regardless of these solo math. So she
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believed that. She just believed that, you know, and I
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bought into that. I failed math. I deterrily at math.
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Today I am the editor of a peer review journal.
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I critique the work of mathematicians and statisticians. I'm actually
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really good at math. But I just bought this belief
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that this teacher had about me and about the world.
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So we have all these beliefs we absorb from other people,
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and they're just not true. They're just they're lies. Their
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limitations projected onto us. Our parents project their limitations aren't
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to us often, our ancestors have been projecting limitations for generations.
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And here we are. We have all this baggage of belief,
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intive self talk about ourselves and is just not true.
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And so we want to tap, we want to meditate,
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We want to breathe and let go of this burden.
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We are beings of light. We came here, we acquired
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bodies so we could be consciousness in human form, living
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that light consciously in the earth. We came here to
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love we came here to dance and play. My wife
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and I were dancing last night and the night, and
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we just dance almost every day. We're meant to be
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beings of play. My grandchildren don't need to go to
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school to learn how to play. They come out of
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the womb knowing how to play. That's what you were
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meant to be. That's what I was meant to be.
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Every human being's meant to be this explosion of human potential,
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and it's covered over by these little beliefs that just
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trap us into this tiny subset of possibilities. And it's
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a tragedy if you live your life in that tiny subset.
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Break out of it, tap them away. Question every single
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self limiting belief you have. It was probably dumped on
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you by a parent or a teacher. It's not true.
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Live the music of your life and you have no
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idea what your potential is, lease start to live it.
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As you start to live it, you'll find it has
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a life of its own. It increases, and you become
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one of those radiant beings that Patogy talks about in
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Yogo Sutras. The beings of life were meant to be
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that in the world for each other, and when we
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are that, the whole world changes as we shine our
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light on those around us.
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So you talked before when like veterans who are suffering
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from PTSD or stuck in this trauma loop, but for
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all of us, we're stuck in these loops of our
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conditioning and they become self reinforcing, and we just keep
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we notice the data that reinforces our negative belief when
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we stay stuck in these And it sounds like the techniques
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you're offering meditation and tapping and other things, they're kind
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of a pattern interrupt. They interrupt some kind of loop,
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some kind of belief system, and then give us an
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experience that then allows a new belief to emerge or
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just something new to emerge.
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But we need that pattern interrupt to begin with of
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some kind.
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And it sounds like the reason some of these techniques
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you offer, and your kind of meditation stacked, the eco meditation,
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These are techniques that really do very quickly create that
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pattern interrupt and create a different experience and we can go,
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oh wow, this is different.
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Absolutely, that's what potential to emerge when those old beliefs collapse,
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than who we really are can start to shine see,
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you have to let go of the old stuff, all
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the crud that was dumped on your head by the
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culture when you're growing up, dig yourself out of that,
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tap your way through that, and then that glorious, playful,
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loving being who you inherently are. You don't have to
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even acquire that or become that you already are that
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it's just covered up by all those beliefs. Abandon them,
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let them go, drop them, have that witness perspective on them,
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let them diminish, and then who you are emerges.
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So this has been incredibly illuminating, beneficial and wonderful and joyful. Dawson,
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Where can people find out more about you? I know
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you have a couple of websites. I know you have
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a lot of ecuo meditations online available for free. I
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know you have guided tapping sessions online. So where do
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people find out more about all this?
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Go to Dawson gift dot com. Gift that's my name, Dawson,
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and then gift to gift dot com and you'll get
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a free EFT tapping mini manual and also a free
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eco meditation track. Use those right away. Use the lost
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page of the mini manual. Show you where the tapping
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points are Pick an issue you're worried about, tap and
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you'll feel the shift. Then use that meditation, and that's
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my challenge to you. Thirty days use that meditation, you're
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likely to become a complete meditation junkie. Addict that point
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anyone's stuff, so you'll start to have all kinds of
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wonderful experiences past that point. Also, then look for our practitioners.
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Get a certified clinically EFT practitioner and have that person
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available to help you deal with stuff that's overwhelming or
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big patterns. You can't easily check. Those women in the
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weight loss program, they needed a practitioner. They couldn't do
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it as self help. Those firemylogia patients two thirds of
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them recovered, they needed a practitioner. They couldn't do it
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topping by themselves. And get a practitioner there. Use one
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of our free downloadable courses. Go to a virtual course
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with a trainer, with a practitioner with me, and really
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immerse yourself in this whole world of healing. If you
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do that, the sooner you release that trauma and the
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sooner you start to shine that light. You then have
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the rest of your life ahead of you, and that
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01:00:31.800 --> 01:00:35.039
produces a radically different life in front of you. Optimists
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01:00:35.039 --> 01:00:38.920
on average lived ten years longer than pessimists. So now
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you're influencing your longevity. You're having a big effect opportunity
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01:00:43.280 --> 01:00:45.679
on your health. You gonna have a much longer health span.
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All of these things are downstream from that. But may
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01:00:49.519 --> 01:00:53.000
that commitment today. Go to dorsogift dot com, download the
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01:00:53.039 --> 01:00:56.639
mini manual, use the meditation for thirty days, and then
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01:00:56.679 --> 01:01:00.519
see what other resources you're led to exploring. There is
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01:01:00.679 --> 01:01:04.760
so much out there that wasn't available to our parents
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and grandparents that it really can't allow us to both
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drop the trauma and then be the fullness of who
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we came here to be.
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Oh, Dawson Gift dot com, Dawson Gift dot com and
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some of the other resources you were mentioning. There's ef
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T University is at it.
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01:01:20.360 --> 01:01:21.960
You'll be at e f Universe when you're there, and
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01:01:22.000 --> 01:01:25.519
you can click ons and horses and all other things. Yeah,
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01:01:25.559 --> 01:01:27.719
and also if you know a veteran, set them to
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the Veterans Stress Solution and that Stress Solution dot org.
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01:01:31.320 --> 01:01:33.599
That's also accessible from within our psyche. But that's our
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01:01:33.679 --> 01:01:36.880
free program where we treat thousands of veterans with PTSD.
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01:01:37.079 --> 01:01:38.800
So we have a lot of social programs going on.
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01:01:38.880 --> 01:01:42.199
We're often doing things like we're training psychologists in Ukraine
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right now. We have all kinds of of humanitarian things
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01:01:44.920 --> 01:01:47.519
that are happening, So you know, it's all part of
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that making a difference in the wider world.
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Absolutely. And you know, it just occurred to me that
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we've been talking a lot about how we're all dealing
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with this genetic inheritance and epigenetic inheritance from our ancestors
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is going way back that can create some of our
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struggles and patterning. But when we do this work, we're
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passing on a much improvement genetic and epigenic, and here
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we influence on our children and their children and so forth.
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Concerned about our contribution to the world, one of the
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best ways we can make that contribution is to do
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this work for ourselves.
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Then we're breaking the cycle now. Wonderful.
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Thank you so much, Dawson Church, Dawson Gift dot Com, Thank.
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You, Awesome Gift dot com. Thank you so much for you.
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It's been a joy to be with you.
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We've been a joy to be with you as all.
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Though always awesome.
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Thank you.
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Taking radical responsibility for our lives means taking action, and
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Thank you for joining me on the Radical Responsibility Podcast. Remember,
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our challenges with compassion, and stay open to transformation. If
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