Data Centers, Vibe Coding, & The Future of Software | C. Suite EP 111

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actually make real utility with these tools still comes down to human ingenuity and understanding the problem.
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We have made the solution simple to build, but most people don't understand the problem enough to actually build the correct solution.
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It's finding that line for most people is hard when you're being bombarded by it.
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If you're going to use AI tools as a defensive measure, that's the wrong decision.
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I don't think you need to take four years now because there's so much information and learning that I've tried to put out that people can follow the path.
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The same thing is true with AI.
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Yes, the leading frontier, the edge, is going to be the people that have money.
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The rising tide of AI allows software in general to get easier to build.
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And I believe we just need to make sure that we are part of the boats that are not chained down.
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all this fear gets us like so wound up versus being like every single technological revolution we have figured out a way to solve better problems we are live welcome back another episode the c-suite unfiltered with mike andy on the hsm podcast network on the hsm podcast network brought to you by mike andy's and mike andy's media how you doing today sir fantastic all right well we're gonna jump straight into it lots to talk about okay um we're gonna talk about a topic that i am
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I'm not an expert.
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I'm a novice by all means.
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But I wanted to talk about AI and not just hypothetical, but actually something you recently built with AI tools.
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And then get into what we've all heard this buzzword of vibe coding.
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Yeah.
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But I don't know to the extent what people have played with it, how that applies to small businesses.
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And should people be concerned about it?
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Should they be doing it themselves?
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So we're going to start specifically.
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You built the Mowing Quote website, the Instant Mowing Quote website.
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What was it called again?
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Instantmowingquote.com.
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InstantMowingQuote.com.
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Perfect.
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Keep it very simple.
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Good SEO.
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InstantMowingQuote.com.
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And you built that via vibe coding.
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Is that correct?
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You can call it that, yes.
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Okay.
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So explain what that is to the people that maybe don't know or have heard the term.
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Like, how did you just build a website via vibe coding?
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Yes, it's not just a website.
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It's an actual application.
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And that's, I think, the difference between something like Lovable, I think, was what Vibe Coding was the original thought, like even two, three years ago.
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Now, the tools themselves, like Manus or I'm thinking Xcode, but it's not Xcode.
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Cloud Code?
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Well, CloudCo, yes, but Codex, there you go.
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These platforms now inside their tool, you can actually just build the whole thing.
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And what's interesting is full stack, which means it's not just the front end, which you would see visually.
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It's actually the back end.
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So user management, authentication, 2FA, all those other aspects.
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And so that really took a big turn, like late 2025 is when that really evolved a lot more.
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And so it's been really useful for me, not only just in building the tool, but also understanding more about the technology, even at a surface level.
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So when I'm talking to engineers, et cetera, we are just way more, I'm way more informed and understanding some of their lingo.
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And also even at...
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the ability now for the support team to take really basic issues or bugs they find, and then we actually have an open claw that is basically doing the lifting of, here's what the fix should be.
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Then it goes to an engineer to validate it, because they still are heirs.
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And that's the part where it's a very slippery slope.
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Everyone's going to hear about the business that did GLP ones, that did a billion dollars with a few people.
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Well, like...
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realistically they're the middleman for a GOP1 product and they just used AI to like generate the Facebook ads make their website there were a a label on a white labeled product of GOP1s and they made up like fake influencers and fake ads is that like good I don't think so um but all that to say I think the news will hype the one percent or point one percent of products that are actually landing and getting product market fit um
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The vast majority don't.
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So like yesterday I saw an app that was just like, I'm like, this is just a wrapper on ChatGPT of like a prompt that they're putting on the backend.
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And that's useless.
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And so how can we actually make real utility with these tools still comes down to human ingenuity and understanding the problem.
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I think what we have done with AI and let's call it vibe coding is we have made the solution simple to build.
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But most people don't understand the problem enough to actually build the correct solution.
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And so this is why even the app store is getting flooded with all these Vibe-coded apps.
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And Apple's cracking down on it because they're useless.
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It's just useless because it's not solving a problem.
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And so I am very optimistic that there's still going to be a place for really good software that can scale.
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But I also think Vibe-coding is super useful to be able to plug into that infrastructure and that foundation to build your own bespoke little thing that you've always wanted to build.
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So I've, like in my mind, I think I've seen several people do things like tracking door hangers.
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Right now it's like, you know, you put on a Strava or like an Apple watch, like track your crew, but then it doesn't like speak to your Apple map or your Google Maps, which doesn't speak to your CRM.
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This is the type of thing that you could build yourself.
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if you have a very bespoke way of doing estimating or upsells or tracking reviews from your crew, these are things that you can now build and then plug in using an API or MCP access to your software and to your CRM.
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And that's the part where I think people are going to try to go and they're going to get lost and it's going to cause damage, whether it be authentication, payments, security.
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And yeah, so that's my general thesis on it.
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Okay, so that went a lot of different ways.
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I want to pull back a little bit for those of us who aren't experts, who are novices.
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Maybe we're just dipping our toes in the water that is AI vibe coding, open claw, all these different things, all these different tools, APIs, like all these terminologies that everyone's learning on the fly.
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Like six months ago, I didn't know what API was, right?
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And like now, okay, we understand that that's like this backend plugin, and I can explain it on a basic level, but I don't actually know how it works.
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So let's just to use a very bad analogy, explain how you built the instant mowing quote website like to a 12 year old.
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Like it didn't exist.
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Yeah.
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So what were the steps you took to effectively build it in simple terms?
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Yeah, so like first, the part that most people don't have is the past four years of building this for Augusta Lawn Care.
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And I'm fully understanding like what every single field does to conversion, testing so many times.
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Like I knew the problem like so well.
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And so that's the part that most people don't because like some people are like, oh, you should do this for window cleaning.
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It's like, no, no, no, I don't have the experience to know exactly what the problem is.
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So my solution is going to be half baked.
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And so the first step to your point is like, you wanna use something that allows you to be able to just speak with common English that can build for you.
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And this is why most people can't define clearly what their problem is.
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And so the English that comes across to the software is not great, it's not clear.
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And this is why the best prompts, like prompt engineering is a thing, because now if I can clearly identify the problem, what I want it to do, what the edge cases are, now the software can build it.
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The solution part is commoditized.
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Most people don't understand the problem itself.
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And so even when I was talking to Jonathan Potoschnick on last week, people missed the fact that like he had 50 pages of prompt for his little estimating tool he was trying to build.
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And he's never going to plug in or use in his business, but he was playing with it.
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He's just experimenting.
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But 50 pages of logic and what works and what to don't do this and like the parameters.
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And most people, that will be a one paragraph like build me an estimating tool where I can do X, Y, and Z.
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AI is not going to be useful.
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And so understanding the problem and then having a clear prompt is the first part.
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And so I went into it first off being like, okay, I had like different levels of the problem and like where I can create a solution.
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So the first problem is like, I see a lot of people,
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that require form and then I go measure the property whether that be in person worse or they just like go on to google maps measure it real quick and send it to the customer so okay first thing first can I have it where that person just puts in the address of their customer and spits out a price based upon using ai um and just simplifies or even where they do want to measure the property but it's in one spot it's like it's more of an back-end admin tool and
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And so that way I could refine the AI to be accurate on square footage of the turf.
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And using satellite images, using regrid, which scans, you know, has 140 million properties and all their information and like balancing how do I wait between regrid, which knows the property data.
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And then I can like look at an LLM and figure out, OK, everything about this property, how old it is, how close is it to a park?
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What are the size of the trees around it?
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What are the properties around it look like?
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But then also sliding towards, I can see a satellite image and pretty much figure out what the square footage is.
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And then where do I, how do I balance that algorithm?
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That's what is on the backend.
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And that is actually the backend sauce that most people would be like, why is it accurate?
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Or why is it close to being accurate?
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And that's the actual backend sauce that I kept measuring with and playing with to get it as accurate as possible.
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But it really started as an admin tool
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Then it's when, okay, now I'm going to allow users to come in here and create forms.
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Whole different level.
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You have to make the back end, build the stack so it's full stack.
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And then the third part is like, now I want customers to see this.
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So now a whole other level of like user interface.
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How's it going to look on the forms?
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And then you have a transparent background so it can work on any design.
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What's going to happen if there's white on white?
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Like, does it tell me like that this is not going to be visible?
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These are all the little edge cases that most people will not go through.
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And so I was able to get the product probably where it's at in about two weeks.
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90% of it, but the last 10% took several weeks and like iterations of the team and like throwing it through support and like let people beat it up, give it to people that like, or I know would use it, but like they want to have see where's the flaws and getting all the little edge cases.
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So for example, everyone's like, okay, great.
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It's connected from instant mowing quote to my CRM.
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Well, what happens when someone submits an existing customer sets of form?
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You don't want them as a duplicate inside of your CRM.
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So what's the protocol to look at?
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Okay, if there's an existing email, do I create another lead inside your CRM?
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Do I block the webhook?
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Do I keep the lead inside Instant Moe, but mark it as a duplicate and then email the owner?
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What happens if the email is different, but the address is the same?
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So all these little edge cases no one thinks about, and those are the problems that people would say, oh, this is AI value-coding trash, and the vast majority of people, that's what they will build because they won't keep pushing it and pushing it and pushing it.
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I'm also in a unique position where pushing it to that last 1% makes sense because thousands of people are using it.
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For most people, they'd be better off spending those five weeks
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getting more jobs, creating systems in their business, figuring out better protocol for advertising.
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That's going to be a better return for their business.
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And so that's where people hear me say what I just said.
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I'm like, I've got to go spend five weeks.
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He's like, no, no, no.
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Just go get more customers and make sure your crew is trained up better.
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All right, real quick, I don't think I really clearly defined what instantmowingquote.com is inside the video.
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Essentially, it's a way to be able to give quotes to your customers from your website and build custom forms that you can customize exactly how much AI you want to use to get the quotes.
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So you can have it where it scans the property using satellite and gives them a quote.
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via AI.
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You can also have it where they have to actually measure the property with the pins.
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You can also have it where it's small, medium, and large, and they choose an image that looks similar to their property.
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You give them a price.
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So it's super customizable.
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You can add signature blocks.
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You can designate certain zip codes that you do allow service.
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So you don't get leads outside your service area.
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There's a bunch of really cool stuff.
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And I believe that this is actually just the start of what people are going to be able to build on in homeworks as we're about to open up our MCP.
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Think of an MCP like a USB-C connector.
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It connects different devices.
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Same thing is true with AI tools and software.
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It's the MCP access or the APIs that connect everything.
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And so as you build out something in Cloud Code or Manus or in Codex, the ability to be able to connect directly into HomeWorks is gonna be super powerful.
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It's coming soon.
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I can't wait to share with you.
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It's already in the hands of some of our users that are technically inclined, and it's showing great results.
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And so we'll refine it and make sure there's lots of good parameters in place.
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But as you build these tools, connecting it to something like HomeWorks will be super valuable.
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So definitely, if you haven't, go check out HomeWorks.
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Become a free member.
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Check out Instant Mowing Quote.
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It's free also.
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And let's jump back into the podcast.
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To extrapolate a lot of what you just said, if I were to oversimplify everything, is that vibe coding is seen as this disruptive new phenomenon, financial goldmine of I can build this, I could sell this, I could use this to optimize, whatever that means.
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But what you're saying is very interesting to me, using JP as an example, as well as yourself in Augusta, is that you both had to master this bespoke thing that you wanted before the technology existed.
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And what I find interesting, based on everything that you just said...
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is that a lot of people are looking for that end result.
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Oh, I want it to look like this.
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But they haven't put the time or energy into figuring out how to build it without vibe coding, without using AI tools.
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I think that's a very interesting takeaway.
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So do you feel like, let's just use Joe Blow, someone who doesn't exist, who just got into lawn care, and maybe they have a tech background, like they know how to use AI and these tools.
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Do you think they could have built the same website you built in five weeks?
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Oh, potentially, yeah, but it would miss all the edge cases, because, like, I know which ones are going to convert the highest, and which one is the most accurate.
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Like, I already have all that data.
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So could someone build it?
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Yes.
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Would I suggest someone build it?
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Because, like, I'm giving it away for free, and get a couple thousand users so far.
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Like, it's growing.
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But, like,
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People fail to understand just how hard it is to get $1 from people.
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And so when people talk about AI and these things that can vibe code one person build a billion dollar business, I just want them to go build a product, solve a problem, and try to get one customer to pay them.
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It's not easy.
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And so the level of like how good you have to be now in order to exchange dollars with someone is just getting higher and higher, which is good for the customer.
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And it is good for the end user.
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And that's like software will become better in time.
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And the better companies will get better even more.
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Like it's just going to compound it.
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The winners will continue to win.
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Well, and that's what I was going to switch to, not necessarily macroeconomics, but it feels like it's almost the richer going to just get richer.
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So what are your thoughts on that?
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Like you built this tool because you have this mastery.
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I'll use that term.
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This mastery of home services, lawn care quotes and estimates and how to look at square footage and properties and maps like all these systems you built out over Augusta before you had these AI tools.
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So you had that mastered.
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Now you can plug it into an AI tool in five weeks, get it 95, 99 percent of the way there to what you want.
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tweak it along the way, keep constantly improving it.
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Like hypothetically, someone can make the argument that like, oh, cool.
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So Mike is just going to get richer because of this.
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So what does the average person do?
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Someone like myself, someone that maybe doesn't have a business or wants to get into business.
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Like what do they do to keep that delta as small as possible from the rich getting rich?
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The people who have mastered these skill sets now plugging into AI tools to keep expanding that gap.
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How do they make that gap as small as possible?
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How do they keep up?
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I think just constant improvement.
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Like it's like saying like someone that knows algebra is definitely going to have a better ability to be able to do equations and make progress in mathematics than someone just learning how to do ABCs and learning their first few digits.
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So should that be that the person that's just learning how to do their numbers and the alphabet should not start?
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No.
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But they can't skip those steps to be able to ever learn algebra.
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And for the person that's learning calculus, that's ahead of the person algebra.
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It doesn't mean the person with algebra should be like, oh, man, I got to give up.
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The guy with calculus is going to keep beating me up.
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No, you got to keep learning.
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And so I would hope that people if they're five years that they've done the work that I've done and ideally done it faster.
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Like I took four years to build a business after I beat my head against the wall to finally make money.
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I don't think you need to take four years now because there's so much information and learning that I've tried to put out that people can follow the path.
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The same thing is true with AI.
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Yes, the leading frontier, the edge, is going to be the people that have money.
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I also spent hundreds of thousands of dollars developing an AI tool that we scrapped and just started using open source models in terms of answering the phone at command center.
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I did all that work.
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to fully understand all the problems with that technology before anyone else did for the, for the advantage of the owners so that we weren't just like blindly like plugging in random off the shelf tools.
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That being said, I was able to take my resources and distribute it to the people through my knowledge.
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And so I think the same thing will happen with AI is like, yes, the rich people right now can have the money to spend gobs of money on tokens, gobs of money on training these, these AI agents and building these tools.
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It's not cheap.
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The subscriptions are not, the tokens are not cheap.
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And so, yes, but also it's up to the individual to take those resources or take the learning from those people and then go execute on it.
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And so the same tools that were a million dollars three years ago are now literally probably $100 a month.
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And so take what is being given to you that other people are paying gobs of money for, i.e.
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private equity and venture capital are pouring money into this.
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Like, you know, they're spending billions of dollars and trillions of dollars.
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Take the tools, learn them, and don't stop learning math because you're not algebra yet and you're still learning ABCs.
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Yeah, I think it's an interesting point.
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And to clarify or to help the person listening right now is when when do you decide, do I outsource this, quote unquote, to AI?
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Do I build the tool?
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Do I invest the five weeks?
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Because I do see there will be a good return on that time spent on outsourcing to this AI thing, agentic, cloud code, whatever you're using.
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to take certain things off your plate or build certain tools that you think will have a return versus just focus on mastering the task at hand.
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Like, where do you think that line is for most people?
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Or how do you define that line?
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Do you see what I'm saying?
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I think that vibe coding in general is probably 1% of the people listening.
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be a fair.
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I think that.
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But we're all hearing it.
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Like we're all getting ads for it.
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We're all like, oh, I could use that.
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We're all getting hounded with video.
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It's the same thing with cryptocurrency.
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It was the same thing with NFTs.
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Like there's always a hype cycle.
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So yeah, where's the line for someone to be like, hey, that's noise.
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Put your head down.
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Master the thing you're currently building.
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Don't worry about building this tool, this agentic thing, this coded whatever product.
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Just master the thing you're doing.
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And then eventually you can build that tool if you need it.
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Yeah, build a bigger business to where now the pain that that is causing by not having the tool actually becomes dollars and cents large enough to go fix it.
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Like you should not spend five weeks trying to figure out some tiny little thing.
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No other software is going to build it.
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I got to build it myself.
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If you spend those five weeks, figure out Facebook ads, you could triple your business next year.
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Mm-hmm.
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Figuring out that tool might optimize your admin flow by 10%.
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So a lot of the things I'm seeing people build are very defensive measures.
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I've got to save here.
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I've got to screw up here.
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So they're spending all this time on defensive measures versus they should spend that same time on offensive measures like hiring and creating systems and advertising and doing a better marketing flow and creating a landing page.
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Spend time on that.
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then they could triple their business.
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And then when they triple their business and they have a larger organization, they have multiple people reporting them, multiple management.
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Now all of a sudden the AI tool makes sense to spend more time with to be able to get some return on it.
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So I think the vast majority of people right now are very much overhyped on AI.
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And as everyone's being pushed, they almost have this FOMO.
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And whenever you feel FOMO, you should basically just always slow down.
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That's interesting.
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I just were just getting bombarded with it.
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Like I recently got an ad, you know, targeted ad that was someone can't even make this up.
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Someone's selling a course on how to prompt AI tools to effectively code on your behalf.
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Like a course on how to prompt AI tools to code on your behalf.
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Like we're talking, this is late stage capital at its finest, but we're being bombarded with it.
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So like there are times where I'm like, do I just need to do more outbound?
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Like from a sales perspective, do I just need to be quiet, put my head down and do more outbound?
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reach out to my warm leads, make more phone calls, send more text messages, or do I need to build this really cool tool that will be great for prospecting this kind of dashboard that I've showed you before of like, look at prospecting.
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And if we can just figure out the metrics behind our sales, then it becomes this tool that we can plug into some code, whatever, right?
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Like it's, this is all half baked.
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Like I'm not the expert, but yeah,
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Like it's finding that line for most people is hard when you're being bombarded by it, like the crypto example and everything.
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So I think your overall point is if you're going to use AI tools as a defensive measure, that's the wrong decision to make like a bold claim based on everything you're saying.
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I think it's like, what do you how do you define AI tools?
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Right.
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Like, I think, again, vibe coding is very.
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If you think you're going to build something.
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Yeah, that's going to build is different.
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Take something off your plate as a defensive measure.
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You think that's the wrong way.
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Generally speaking.
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Generally speaking, yes.
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I'm generalizing because there are people that have built a bigger business.
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They can get a lot of leverage from saving themselves time and 50 other people.
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But for the vast majority of people, building a better business means get more customers, do higher quality service more efficiently.
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Do that and you will have a business that doubles in profit very quickly, doubles in revenue very quickly.
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And I don't believe, I do not see right now a vibe-coded tool allowing you to do that.
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And...
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If it exists and it's so easy to build, eventually it'll be where you can get it off the shelf and you're gonna pay a couple hundred bucks a month for something that you spent weeks, months.
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And then once you, you're like, I'm gonna build my whole business on top of this thing I built.
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So what happens when it goes down?
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And you're going to go get an IT person.
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Like you're going to get someone that's an engineer, and they're not going to cost $200 an hour like they do on payroll.
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They're going to cost $1,000 an hour to come be your emergency resource to pull in for a day.
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So you're going to pay $8,000 and then come fix the problem because now AI can't figure it out or there's some sort of issue, some authentication error, security breach, all of a sudden things went down.
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You can't fix it.
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You're just going to swap what you're currently paying $50 a month for for an $8,000 once a year bill.
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And I think for the vast majority of people right now, it's a distraction and they don't clearly, they do not yet know their problem enough to actually build the solution.
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I think the vast majority of people should use the tools
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not necessarily build with them.
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And what I mean by that is like the vast majority of people just have not yet figured out how to give your financials to it.
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Ask where their holes in your financials are.
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How can I improve this?
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I'm having this problem right now with this employee and I can't figure out how to be able to solve it.
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How do I communicate better with this employee?
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How do I follow up on this estimate?
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Here's this email from a customer that's freaking out at me.
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What do I say?
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most people aren't even there yet.
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So to think building tools is going to solve your business when you're not even AI curious enough just to communicate with it and become a better leader, a better marketer, a better entrepreneur.
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Like what are we talking about building software for?
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Yeah, fair.
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So pivoting off of that,
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and more specifically towards like homeworks, you have the context of like you have built a CRM.
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So how disruptive is this new vibe coding, cloud code, open source type technology that someone can go and build a CRM, right?
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And we've seen it.
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We have someone on our team that's,
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Basically building a bespoke CRM for the franchise to see if that's something we can use.
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So what do you see as someone who actually owns a CRM or is the founder of a CRM?
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Like, is this going to disrupt you and your industry drastically or is it more the next piece of the puzzle that advances all CRMs?
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Yeah, I think of rising tide floats all boats.
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So I believe that AI allows the solution space to become better.
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I believe I have an inherent advantage when it comes to data and figuring out the problem.
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And I believe that is the real root of creating great tools is understanding the problem.
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I have that data...
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I believe that the rising tide of AI allows software in general to get easier to build.
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And I believe we just need to make sure that we are part of the boats that are not chained down.
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And so we are absolutely using OpenClaw with our support team.
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We are actively, every ticket before it gets touched by an engineer is using AI in some way.
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But I can tell you, like, 30 to 40% of those tickets still need engineers.
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Like, no, it messed up here.
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It did this wrong.
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And so if you're going to go just use AI, I know all those bugs will get through.
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those little glitches that eventually will cause a cascading issue, or all of a sudden your software is being held, your customer data is being held ransom.
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Like, that's a problem.
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And so, for example, inside the franchise, we can build something because we have a closed-off system.
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We give access to an owner.
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We give access to a member of a command center.
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We give an access to an employee.
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When you say, hey, open up my website and log in, sign up now, that is a whole bag of tricks that most people are not ready for.
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And it becomes a whole security thing, like payment data.
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Everything, as easy as the build software with AI, just think about how easy it is to attack that same code with AI.
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And so the more resources and data and stuff that you put in there, you're just basically more and more vulnerable to someone else.
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It's like the bigger you get, the more vulnerable you are to someone else.
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Like, ah, I think that's a good target.
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So yes, you build a $10 million business on the back of that software that if you build on vibe coding, very good chance an engineer is like, okay, fantastic.
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They're my competitor.
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Mm-hmm.
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I'm going to go get an engineer, spend a few thousand dollars and have them hack into my competitor's software, take all their customer data and lock it up.
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Yeah.
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Like, why do you think Mythos from Anthropic had to go to the government and six of the biggest tech companies months before it could go to the public?
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These are the type of things that they're going to go lock down all their systems, but it's going to get in the hands of someone.
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And because you don't have a whole team making sure you're up to date with this stuff, you're going to be vulnerable.
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Mm-hmm.
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And so I don't necessarily think it's like a bad thing or a good thing.
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I see this as a rising tide will float all boats.
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We're going to go through this SaaS-pocalypse where valuations will get reset.
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But if you look at like Salesforce, they have like the best numbers ever.
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And so even though their valuation is going down, like revenue's up, number of customers joining is up, Stripe, like everything is up.
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And so I think that's a good thing.
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And so it's a hype cycle.
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And in every hype cycle, I've always learned to slow down and do the basics.
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And so we're just trying to make it more reliable, make it faster, build the features that someone will otherwise will say, copy homeworks dispatch feature.
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And it'll do its thing.
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And they won't think about the thousand edge cases that we've had to go.
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What happens when someone selects five crews?
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What happens when someone selects 4,000 visits to the back end and it crashes?
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And it's halfway through loading all those visits and the change.
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Does it go revert?
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Does it go forward?
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Like, does it warn them?
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Does it execute on the ones that went through versus not?
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Like, these are all the edge cases that people like Salesforce have fixed millions and millions of edge cases.
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And that's why you pay them.
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Mm-hmm.
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Because I'm willing to pay the $5,000 a month for Salesforce versus going out and trying to figure out those millions of edge cases that make their software work.
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It goes back to the mastery point that like Homeworks is mastering a home service CRM.
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And you have that and you have the security protocols and the edge case studies that it works for you.
411
00:27:47.945 --> 00:27:51.569
And we use a software across the Holdco that I'm intentionally not naming.
412
00:27:51.870 --> 00:27:55.494
But I had a call with kind of our liaison between that software and the Holdco.
413
00:27:55.794 --> 00:27:56.334
And I was like, hey...
414
00:27:56.895 --> 00:27:58.756
what are your thoughts on this whole vibe coding thing?
415
00:27:58.776 --> 00:28:01.156
Like, how are you guys handling this?
416
00:28:01.536 --> 00:28:02.457
And he said the same thing.
417
00:28:02.497 --> 00:28:04.057
Hey, we have the source material.
418
00:28:04.077 --> 00:28:04.757
We have the data.
419
00:28:04.777 --> 00:28:05.457
We have the security.
420
00:28:05.477 --> 00:28:06.298
We have the edge cases.
421
00:28:06.598 --> 00:28:15.380
We think if we can open source certain things, it will just amplify features we've already built or make the features we've already built more bespoke or more custom to what you want.
422
00:28:15.700 --> 00:28:24.563
And I showed him this dashboard that I was building, and he effectively was like, oh, yeah, eventually, like, I can't give you an exact timeline, but within 12, 24 months, like, you'll be able to take
423
00:28:25.163 --> 00:28:30.565
X data that you want from this software and move it and build this custom dashboard that you just showed me effectively.
424
00:28:30.585 --> 00:28:31.726
He was very confident with that.
425
00:28:32.086 --> 00:28:35.347
And so that felt like a rising tide floats all boats moment.
426
00:28:35.788 --> 00:28:46.332
But he was also did express concern that, hey, the companies that move faster are going to also be the winners in the end that can adopt the more open source bespoke customizable features.
427
00:28:46.612 --> 00:28:51.956
Yeah, the ones that move fast, too, they'll also be the ones that likely you'll hear about in the news where all of a sudden their data is gone.
428
00:28:52.156 --> 00:28:52.356
Right?
429
00:28:52.576 --> 00:28:53.977
So there's a double-edged sword.
430
00:28:54.218 --> 00:28:57.620
That's why, yes, there's all these companies that are big, talking all their big games.
431
00:28:57.660 --> 00:28:58.501
They're on the leading edge.
432
00:28:58.741 --> 00:29:01.703
But what you're not seeing is, like, Google shuts down most of their initiatives.
433
00:29:02.344 --> 00:29:05.386
These big companies, like, what's the stinking?
434
00:29:06.006 --> 00:29:06.427
Sora.
435
00:29:07.467 --> 00:29:08.108
Oh, my word.
436
00:29:08.148 --> 00:29:09.129
We're all video editors.
437
00:29:09.149 --> 00:29:09.689
We're toast.
438
00:29:09.789 --> 00:29:10.830
And now they've closed down the app.
439
00:29:11.913 --> 00:29:21.816
So this is a hype cycle, and staying level-headed in terms of how does this actually solve problems for the customer is always a thing I fall back on, and just get really religious about that.
440
00:29:22.237 --> 00:29:26.378
And so I do think one of the things that we are really focused on right now, and we now have an MCP.
441
00:29:26.778 --> 00:29:31.200
We have just several users using it now, but our goal throughout 2026 is open that up.
442
00:29:31.460 --> 00:29:35.761
So as you build your little bespoke tool, you can connect it into your HomeWorks account.
443
00:29:41.743 --> 00:29:43.485
You can build it and then plug it into homeworks.
444
00:29:44.166 --> 00:29:45.567
And so like some of the stuff right now is so cool.
445
00:29:45.587 --> 00:29:47.869
Like you ask Claude, like, hey, who's behind on their schedule today?
446
00:29:47.889 --> 00:29:49.050
It's like so-and-so is.
447
00:29:49.070 --> 00:29:50.651
Hey, I think you should move someone over here.
448
00:29:50.671 --> 00:29:52.133
Here's how many budget hours you have this week.
449
00:29:52.153 --> 00:29:52.994
You're understaffed.
450
00:29:53.014 --> 00:30:02.923
Like do you be able to talk with your agent to be able to, when you wake up in the morning, has a brief of the jobs, which ones it thinks you're behind on, which employees need more help, more training?
451
00:30:02.943 --> 00:30:03.243
Yeah.
452
00:30:03.303 --> 00:30:10.187
This is the type of thing that I think will unlock the imagination of people to be able to say, I could build something and now connect to something.
453
00:30:10.447 --> 00:30:11.968
The source of truth is solid.
454
00:30:12.449 --> 00:30:14.010
But there's so many edge cases in that.
455
00:30:14.190 --> 00:30:17.552
And we've hit it in our testing of like, okay, what happens when someone says...
456
00:30:19.084 --> 00:30:39.684
do this function a thousand times and it hits our database like it's just an mcp it's like plugging it a like live wire it just it's gonna happen and like how it affects our database is important because it can it can slow the whole thing down yeah so um that's been really fun and interesting and dan and the cto is like very very pro ai i'm very thankful for whether it be like figuring out how
457
00:30:40.184 --> 00:30:47.906
The support team can handle more tickets, whether it be, you know, which is even last night we went from like Gemini, we tried Gemini Flash because it just came out.
458
00:30:48.326 --> 00:30:53.468
And a lot of its benchmarks are higher than what we were using with Opus, which is Anthropics model.
459
00:30:53.888 --> 00:30:55.468
And so like we tested out last night.
460
00:30:55.528 --> 00:30:56.649
It's like, okay, it's good.
461
00:30:56.669 --> 00:30:58.329
But like there's a couple of things it doesn't understand yet.
462
00:30:58.349 --> 00:31:00.830
Let's try it again in a few weeks once they've ironed out some of the kinks.
463
00:31:01.230 --> 00:31:05.991
So I'm very thankful I have a CTO that's like so pro AI and I'm not like pushing them to do it.
464
00:31:06.351 --> 00:31:07.952
And so, yeah, he's awesome.
465
00:31:08.172 --> 00:31:08.272
Nice.
466
00:31:08.292 --> 00:31:08.392
Nice.
467
00:31:08.592 --> 00:31:10.193
Well, we'll switch topics a little bit.
468
00:31:10.233 --> 00:31:14.617
One thing I have to say, I've been holding back a smile because we'll have to clip this.
469
00:31:14.937 --> 00:31:19.901
But when you were really getting on a roll, you were like, save 10% on admin cost?
470
00:31:20.141 --> 00:31:22.423
Might optimize your admin flow by 10%.
471
00:31:23.028 --> 00:31:24.470
You really hit a trump there.
472
00:31:24.590 --> 00:31:29.795
You really hit the 10% on admin cost by building your custom tool.
473
00:31:30.156 --> 00:31:30.596
But anyways.
474
00:31:30.717 --> 00:31:31.377
It's going to be huge.
475
00:31:31.698 --> 00:31:32.458
It's going to be huge.
476
00:31:32.559 --> 00:31:36.403
Not to get political, but let's get political and stay on AI.
477
00:31:36.463 --> 00:31:37.764
Let's talk data centers.
478
00:31:37.945 --> 00:31:38.365
All right.
479
00:31:38.725 --> 00:31:41.368
So, or data, data, however you want to pronounce it.
480
00:31:41.468 --> 00:31:43.611
Vase, Vase, you know, if you're one of those people.
481
00:31:43.631 --> 00:31:44.452
Yeah.
482
00:31:44.792 --> 00:31:50.057
The three-member Box Elder County Commission approves a massive data center in Utah.
483
00:31:50.097 --> 00:31:53.321
The project is being developed by O'Leary Digital, Mr.
484
00:31:53.381 --> 00:32:06.354
Wonderful, and Stratos, with investors expected to fund the build-out, while critics are objecting to the use of a favorable tax arrangement and incentives through Utah's military installation development structure.
485
00:32:06.814 --> 00:32:19.640
The energy use of this project is reported to be up to nine gigawatts at full build out with the power generated on site, an amount described as more than twice of the state of Utah's current power use.
486
00:32:20.020 --> 00:32:23.021
So any initial thoughts on this data center?
487
00:32:23.041 --> 00:32:24.922
Would you like me to keep kind of setting the scene?
488
00:32:25.742 --> 00:32:29.244
No, I think like every time we've ever built a new technology, there is.
489
00:32:29.264 --> 00:32:30.505
Yeah.
490
00:32:31.605 --> 00:32:32.186
There's trouble.
491
00:32:32.246 --> 00:32:33.607
There's issues with it, right?
492
00:32:33.907 --> 00:32:40.233
Whether it be building cars like, oh, we need to regulate how fast these things can go and we need to build lights so that people stop when it goes red.
493
00:32:41.073 --> 00:32:46.358
There's going to be certain legislation that needs to come out to put safeguards in place.
494
00:32:46.918 --> 00:32:49.801
And I think the biggest thing that I see is a problem with energy consumption.
495
00:32:50.701 --> 00:32:53.284
and our grid is not built for in the US.
496
00:32:53.304 --> 00:32:53.905
What are we going to do?
497
00:32:54.105 --> 00:32:55.586
We are way behind on nuclear.
498
00:32:55.927 --> 00:32:57.889
We're not really good at any sort of power.
499
00:32:57.949 --> 00:33:01.653
We've shut down so much coal plants, etc.
500
00:33:01.673 --> 00:33:03.254
So is that good or bad?
501
00:33:03.294 --> 00:33:05.196
I'm not really here to discuss that.
502
00:33:05.276 --> 00:33:06.277
It's more a matter of...
503
00:33:07.078 --> 00:33:08.640
The models get more efficient.
504
00:33:09.221 --> 00:33:13.647
I don't think we're going to be building data centers at this incredible rate that we keep hearing about.
505
00:33:13.747 --> 00:33:18.493
Most of these data centers get canceled by the time they go from announcement to actually building.
506
00:33:18.954 --> 00:33:24.381
And so all these infrastructure plans and billions of dollars and it's like, okay, did it actually materialize?
507
00:33:25.342 --> 00:33:28.185
And it's not happening as often as people think.
508
00:33:28.305 --> 00:33:30.107
And so a lot of it's news and it's hype.
509
00:33:30.408 --> 00:33:32.650
I also think the models just get more and more efficient.
510
00:33:33.311 --> 00:33:44.243
And if you look at the curve of like Moore's law in terms of how much we can, you know, storage of memory, I think the same thing is going to happen with compute, which is like in 10 years, it'll be like a thousand times cheaper than today.
511
00:33:44.263 --> 00:33:45.844
And like, what were people are using it more?
512
00:33:45.964 --> 00:33:46.205
Yeah, but.
513
00:33:47.005 --> 00:33:51.947
I do believe we'll catch up with the rate at which we are developing.
514
00:33:52.247 --> 00:33:57.409
And so if you look at Cerebris, what they've recently seen in their IPO, is like, can we make a larger wafer?
515
00:33:57.469 --> 00:34:00.090
Can we pack more into this thing to compete better?
516
00:34:00.730 --> 00:34:05.211
And I think that that will outpace even our demand.
517
00:34:05.431 --> 00:34:07.752
It's like doubling every year.
518
00:34:07.852 --> 00:34:13.794
But yeah, if we can make the technology 10 times more efficient, 100 times more efficient, 1,000 times more efficient, it's the same thing.
519
00:34:16.395 --> 00:34:39.320
uh room right so if you look at like how the adoption of computers oh my word we're going to literally need to fill the entire state with just like a computer no like it's now uh what 200 000 of these could fit in this room yeah and so that that form that function comes down the the efficiency of this goes down the fact that it has what like uh i think like four eight gigabytes of ram like
520
00:34:39.840 --> 00:34:43.601
Just not long ago, that was incredible speed on a computer.
521
00:34:44.041 --> 00:34:50.663
And so I think they'll just get better and more efficient, and the market is positioned in a way to give rewards to the people that are figuring that problem out.
522
00:34:50.963 --> 00:34:56.785
And so when all that money and attention and mind, like everyone's brains go in that direction, I think it was so efficient.
523
00:34:57.085 --> 00:35:01.046
And that's why I see we're also seeing that a lot of these data centers just being closed down, like the projects.
524
00:35:01.426 --> 00:35:02.346
They're not going to get built.
525
00:35:02.366 --> 00:35:07.808
And by the time they get built out, it's like four or five years, some of these things, they're not going to be needed as much.
526
00:35:09.748 --> 00:35:11.629
My thought, I think I could argue it the other way.
527
00:35:11.929 --> 00:35:12.129
Yeah.
528
00:35:12.449 --> 00:35:19.092
In terms of the energy consumption, I do have a problem with a big company coming in, building a data center, and then energy rates going up around them.
529
00:35:19.312 --> 00:35:19.532
Yeah.
530
00:35:19.552 --> 00:35:22.473
Supposedly, there's now the Bilbin Pass where that can't happen.
531
00:35:23.293 --> 00:35:24.594
But where are they getting their energy?
532
00:35:24.614 --> 00:35:26.174
There's a finite amount of it.
533
00:35:26.214 --> 00:35:27.455
So who's using it?
534
00:35:27.935 --> 00:35:33.417
But it's funny, because even the whole water thing, that was the dumbest argument ever.
535
00:35:33.957 --> 00:35:35.298
And so people just love the news.
536
00:35:35.558 --> 00:35:35.678
Yeah.
537
00:35:35.718 --> 00:35:37.919
It's just another thing that gets us all emotionally tied up.
538
00:35:37.939 --> 00:35:38.039
Yeah.
539
00:35:38.359 --> 00:35:38.959
A hundred percent.
540
00:35:38.999 --> 00:35:42.282
And I'm not like overly invested into it, but I thought it was an interesting topic.
541
00:35:42.322 --> 00:35:47.105
I appreciate you sharing that perspective just to share a little bit more of the details about the specific one in Utah.
542
00:35:47.365 --> 00:35:48.166
You know, people are mad.
543
00:35:48.186 --> 00:35:57.612
You hit the main bullet points of like power consumption, water consumption, subsidies to big tech versus, you know, like the science behind it is so false.
544
00:35:57.812 --> 00:36:00.534
Yeah, generally, like I don't have a hard and fast position on it.
545
00:36:00.614 --> 00:36:02.076
I've heard many reports saying that.
546
00:36:02.096 --> 00:36:03.176
So I'm not getting into it.
547
00:36:03.196 --> 00:36:04.658
But this is just like, why are people mad?
548
00:36:05.158 --> 00:36:06.299
Big tech, local disruption.
549
00:36:06.559 --> 00:36:08.060
So this is this is an important point.
550
00:36:08.741 --> 00:36:11.843
Before I get to it, though, like the builders are saying and Kevin O'Leary's point.
551
00:36:12.064 --> 00:36:15.927
I listen to a long form podcast of him effectively defending why this is important.
552
00:36:16.267 --> 00:36:22.372
And like one of the things that kind of bothered me was like he kept going back to competition, national competitiveness and that like we have to beat China.
553
00:36:22.692 --> 00:36:24.554
But he didn't say why we have to beat China.
554
00:36:24.974 --> 00:36:28.075
And it's like that's such like old school kind of I hate to say it.
555
00:36:28.135 --> 00:36:28.735
Don't yell at me.
556
00:36:29.055 --> 00:36:34.356
Boomer mentality of like, well, it's all about national competition and national sovereignty and our security.
557
00:36:34.376 --> 00:36:37.657
It's like, but how is building a data center like going to help us beat China?
558
00:36:37.677 --> 00:36:40.138
Like, I need you to get me from A to B.
559
00:36:40.498 --> 00:36:42.558
Like, don't just say like China is bad.
560
00:36:42.779 --> 00:36:44.499
Therefore, like it's a false premise.
561
00:36:44.759 --> 00:36:46.862
Well, let me explain their positioning.
562
00:36:46.882 --> 00:36:47.142
Yeah, please.
563
00:36:47.162 --> 00:36:47.863
Because I agree with you.
564
00:36:48.564 --> 00:36:56.715
But their positioning on that and how he would, like if you boil down a little more, it's like, okay, if I don't have a data center, I can't govern more compute towards the model.
565
00:36:56.735 --> 00:36:57.376
Correct.
566
00:36:57.396 --> 00:37:00.039
For example, recently, Anthropic dialed back
567
00:37:00.660 --> 00:37:27.218
one of their models in terms of just how much compute it was having because they were limited like they didn't have enough compute now they just gone done a deal with xai they have a whole bunch more compute but before that like people were you could you could tell it was having problems it was struggling it would there's a lot of outages uh it would do way more uh hallucinations it would be these dumb stuff sometimes because it was limited by compute so having the data sense i need the data center to be able to run the compute of the model
568
00:37:27.878 --> 00:37:30.620
Like when you type the thing in, it's doing something at that data center.
569
00:37:30.680 --> 00:37:30.920
Yeah.
570
00:37:31.520 --> 00:37:36.084
To beat China in a way, in a technological advancement in future developments.
571
00:37:36.184 --> 00:37:36.624
Exactly.
572
00:37:36.664 --> 00:37:38.905
These people are using, again, our emotions.
573
00:37:39.025 --> 00:37:39.206
Yeah.
574
00:37:39.226 --> 00:37:44.629
Like, okay, well, I know my power is going up, but I want to make sure that I don't have a nuclear bomb being passed over here from China.
575
00:37:44.849 --> 00:37:46.390
So, like, that's the mentality.
576
00:37:46.510 --> 00:37:47.811
It's stupid, in my opinion.
577
00:37:48.111 --> 00:37:49.873
Because, like, if you see what they're saying, it's like...
578
00:37:50.513 --> 00:37:51.935
They are like, AI is going to beat us.
579
00:37:51.955 --> 00:37:54.618
And then they're going over there with Jensen Wang or whatever his name is.
580
00:37:54.878 --> 00:37:56.399
Jensen Wang.
581
00:37:56.520 --> 00:37:58.402
Jensen and Elon.
582
00:37:58.422 --> 00:37:59.243
And they're making deals.
583
00:37:59.463 --> 00:37:59.663
Yeah.
584
00:37:59.843 --> 00:38:02.306
So like they're speaking outside both sides of the mouth.
585
00:38:02.466 --> 00:38:03.727
It's a big political thing.
586
00:38:03.988 --> 00:38:10.995
But if I can get you to be afraid of them and then say our only defense is to beat them in the AI arms race.
587
00:38:11.736 --> 00:38:20.168
Then now you will give me moral high ground to be able to do stupid stuff like building a day in your backyard that hinders your view and wipes out all the wildlife.
588
00:38:20.449 --> 00:38:20.629
Yeah.
589
00:38:21.250 --> 00:38:26.097
So what would you, if you were in charge of, say, if you were the mayor of Box Elder?
590
00:38:26.838 --> 00:38:53.995
county oh i don't think that's how it works like what is your position are you are you demanding certain like requirements from the data center from the company's investment back into the local community because what if kevin o'leary's you know i would say more moot points is like well it's going to bring jobs well a lot of temporary jobs for the build out and then a handful hypothetically and i don't have an exact number so don't don't come at me on this but a handful of people would be there to maintain run operate security you know of the building and of the
591
00:38:56.076 --> 00:39:05.560
If you're a local person, you're saying like you're disrupting our power grid, you're disrupting the nature, like it's only bringing temporary jobs and temporary jobs typically can harm communities.
592
00:39:05.600 --> 00:39:10.722
If you look at certain data on like when there are these massive buildouts, they come in and they almost like ransack the local community.
593
00:39:10.742 --> 00:39:13.103
And then when they leave that community, someone in shambles.
594
00:39:13.583 --> 00:39:15.284
And that's just like anecdotal.
595
00:39:15.304 --> 00:39:16.424
But there is some data behind that.
596
00:39:16.624 --> 00:39:21.386
So what would you do if you're in the position of like, OK, we have like generally a strong local economy.
597
00:39:21.606 --> 00:39:22.767
We don't need a data center.
598
00:39:22.807 --> 00:39:23.907
Like, what's your position on that?
599
00:39:24.007 --> 00:39:25.308
Like, bring it bring it home.
600
00:39:25.788 --> 00:39:26.268
I'd be tough.
601
00:39:26.288 --> 00:39:32.613
Like if I was the mayor and like I had my family growing up there, I'd be also like, okay, is this data center become abandoned in 20 years?
602
00:39:33.253 --> 00:39:37.576
And now we've built our whole budget on the fact that this thing brings us millions of dollars of tax revenue.
603
00:39:37.876 --> 00:39:47.523
And now they're bailing because they create this new model that fits on a phone instead of a huge data center or doesn't require a millionth of the compute or they use open source stuff out of China.
604
00:39:47.563 --> 00:39:48.804
That's just like is just fine.
605
00:39:49.364 --> 00:39:51.665
Will they even be useful in 20 years?
606
00:39:52.065 --> 00:39:56.787
The other alternative is the other idea is like, well, compute, like the usage adoption is going through the roof.
607
00:39:56.807 --> 00:39:58.888
So, yes, even if we get way more efficient, we'll use it.
608
00:39:59.448 --> 00:40:00.669
I would be mostly worried about that.
609
00:40:00.749 --> 00:40:01.809
Like, is it going to become a ghost town?
610
00:40:01.849 --> 00:40:04.651
And then I build my budget based upon their tax revenue.
611
00:40:05.631 --> 00:40:08.692
The second, the more immediate thing would be energy consumption.
612
00:40:08.732 --> 00:40:11.714
And I would be looking for like, you got to prove to me you're creating that much energy.
613
00:40:12.254 --> 00:40:26.961
So whether you're going to do a wind farm or a solar farm, or you're going to do energy stuff that powers the grid during the night for us, whatever it is, like I would be looking for some sort of net net neutral to our power as a as a community member.
614
00:40:27.021 --> 00:40:31.123
I'd be wanting some sort of guarantees around my energy bill.
615
00:40:31.864 --> 00:40:33.525
And so I'd like, hey, you can move into town.
616
00:40:33.865 --> 00:40:39.768
But just FYI, you're going to make sure everyone around you that you're plugged into the grid and you're guaranteeing their prices don't go up.
617
00:40:40.408 --> 00:40:46.233
And whether that be you're supplying the power, like, hey, my other thing is like, why are they on the same grid as all these people?
618
00:40:46.494 --> 00:40:47.595
Get them out, get them out of here.
619
00:40:47.835 --> 00:40:51.919
Like if in the middle of Utah, there's a lot of places in Utah where you will not see that data center.
620
00:40:52.399 --> 00:40:52.619
Right.
621
00:40:52.679 --> 00:41:00.747
And there's plenty of really good spots, like even in Arizona where they've built these where it's like you have your city, but then you go like 10 miles out of town and then you see the data center.
622
00:41:01.313 --> 00:41:02.715
No one wants to be there anyways.
623
00:41:02.755 --> 00:41:03.876
It's the middle of the desert.
624
00:41:04.157 --> 00:41:10.564
And if you're going to spend a billion dollars, you can trench some power lines or build some power grid 10 miles back into town.
625
00:41:11.249 --> 00:41:18.153
And so, um, I would love them to become more energy dependent and energy independent so that this isn't even a conversation.
626
00:41:18.493 --> 00:41:21.775
I do think it's necessary to be able to progress this technology right now, though.
627
00:41:22.135 --> 00:41:27.378
So like, I don't really, I think, I think it's good that we have democracy where this is going to get fought out the local level.
628
00:41:27.679 --> 00:41:36.264
And I think that a lot of local residents have a right to be a little bit worried about what it's going to do to the spike in jobs and what happens in 20 years.
629
00:41:36.364 --> 00:41:38.065
Is this, is this going to be around in 20 years?
630
00:41:38.085 --> 00:41:39.445
Will we need this data center?
631
00:41:40.106 --> 00:41:40.206
Um,
632
00:41:40.647 --> 00:41:42.392
And they also are hearing all these negative...
633
00:41:43.625 --> 00:41:45.246
illustrations of what AI does in the news.
634
00:41:45.706 --> 00:41:48.027
So-and-so laid off 30,000 people because of AI.
635
00:41:48.067 --> 00:41:48.707
No, they didn't.
636
00:41:48.907 --> 00:41:54.789
They overhired by 200,000 people, and they're using this as a scapegoat because now when they fire people, their stock price goes up.
637
00:41:55.149 --> 00:41:58.171
In the past, when you fired people and laid people off, your stock price went down.
638
00:41:58.731 --> 00:41:59.291
So what do we say?
639
00:41:59.471 --> 00:42:00.612
We're getting more AI efficient.
640
00:42:00.652 --> 00:42:01.152
No, you're not.
641
00:42:01.172 --> 00:42:02.492
You have a bunch of people doing nothing.
642
00:42:02.652 --> 00:42:05.753
They've been tooling their thumbs and working four other jobs on the side.
643
00:42:06.034 --> 00:42:11.936
So you're just getting back to being efficient, but you're going to use the AI thing as a way to bolster your stock price.
644
00:42:12.636 --> 00:42:17.718
But they're hearing that, and AI is the bad boogeyman that's going to come kick all our jobs away.
645
00:42:17.998 --> 00:42:24.219
And it's somehow been the brand, when in reality, every technology has brought more jobs, and it just doesn't make sense.
646
00:42:24.459 --> 00:42:25.780
So we're all buying this fear.
647
00:42:26.120 --> 00:42:33.682
And so either A, you're going to be the politician that is going after everyone's fear, which is energy is going to be crazy expensive.
648
00:42:34.222 --> 00:42:36.883
All of our wildlife is going to kill, and we're not going to have any green spaces.
649
00:42:37.783 --> 00:42:39.104
You're going to lose your job.
650
00:42:40.404 --> 00:42:50.250
and we're going to lose the AI race to China, and all this fear gets us so wound up versus being like, every single technological revolution, we have figured out a way to solve better problems.
651
00:42:50.670 --> 00:42:55.393
And so do you want to go back to tilling the ground with a hoe to be able to get food?
652
00:42:55.833 --> 00:43:07.120
Or do we just use this thinking tractor that will be a million times more efficient, and you will be in an AC vehicle pushing this like this instead of rack-breaking labor for thousands of people?
653
00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:11.303
And so we will just get more creative as humans to figure out better and bigger problems.
654
00:43:11.323 --> 00:43:16.468
And that is like how we evolve and how we get better and how like our lives generally improve.
655
00:43:16.888 --> 00:43:17.508
But again, I'm,
656
00:43:18.577 --> 00:43:20.839
All the news lines sell and click much better.
657
00:43:20.939 --> 00:43:21.139
Yeah.
658
00:43:21.440 --> 00:43:21.580
Yeah.
659
00:43:21.640 --> 00:43:34.332
And I think from, I mean, to use a word that can have certain connotations, but from an evolutionary perspective, like the rate at which technology is developing is like the human brain genuinely cannot keep up with that.
660
00:43:34.672 --> 00:43:39.897
Like we cannot address to the environment around us from an evolutionary perspective as fast as it's happening.
661
00:43:40.177 --> 00:43:42.678
Like quite literally, I was listening to this podcast and I wish I could credit it.
662
00:43:42.898 --> 00:43:49.440
But it was like you realize that just over 100 years ago, the only thing we all cared about was having enough food and not dying.
663
00:43:49.840 --> 00:43:50.060
Yeah.
664
00:43:50.160 --> 00:43:55.321
Like that's like as an economy, like just like roughly 200 if you want to be more realistic.
665
00:43:55.361 --> 00:43:58.102
It's like you just needed to have enough food for your family to live.
666
00:43:58.202 --> 00:44:00.303
And like hopefully you didn't get a disease that killed you.
667
00:44:00.423 --> 00:44:00.643
Yeah.
668
00:44:00.923 --> 00:44:10.654
And now 200 years later, like airplanes, AI, like all these things, all these technological advancements, you have the Industrial Revolution, the five day work week with Henry Ford, like all of these jobs, the tractor.
669
00:44:10.694 --> 00:44:11.775
It's like, oh, it's going to take away farming.
670
00:44:11.995 --> 00:44:13.276
Now, AI, we're doing the same thing.
671
00:44:13.397 --> 00:44:15.479
I think it's just it's hard for us to keep up.
672
00:44:15.879 --> 00:44:16.420
And it's scary.
673
00:44:16.760 --> 00:44:17.781
Like it is in a lot of way.
674
00:44:17.801 --> 00:44:19.243
I think a lot of people are genuinely scared.
675
00:44:19.263 --> 00:44:19.463
Yeah.
676
00:44:19.723 --> 00:44:22.584
I try to be more optimistic, more of like a futurist in that way.
677
00:44:22.604 --> 00:44:27.605
Like I see a lot of positives, but I understand when people are scared, they're worried, they don't want these data centers, whatever it may be.
678
00:44:28.146 --> 00:44:29.586
I fully understand their position.
679
00:44:29.626 --> 00:44:35.508
You have to just look back in time and look at the data to realize that every few years we have another fear.
680
00:44:36.168 --> 00:44:50.455
yeah right would it be covid and then we look like we probably need to do some of those things whether it be 5g like that was a couple years later like we are literally all right like every few years we're just gonna find another thing to
681
00:44:51.923 --> 00:45:00.412
And so this is why I'm so against listening to the news because I am not plugging myself into that complete game on my cortisol levels.
682
00:45:00.492 --> 00:45:03.815
And I don't do well when I have like that is going through my brain.
683
00:45:04.436 --> 00:45:06.959
I've said this recently to some of our team around the AI thing.
684
00:45:06.979 --> 00:45:08.440
It's like no one's getting fired.
685
00:45:08.600 --> 00:45:09.441
We're hiring more people.
686
00:45:10.302 --> 00:45:15.003
And the reason I do it is because fear in your system prevents you from discretionary effort.
687
00:45:15.624 --> 00:45:17.924
And so it prevents you from thinking creatively.
688
00:45:18.044 --> 00:45:20.725
When you're afraid, you're not usually thinking very well.
689
00:45:21.205 --> 00:45:23.966
When you're freaked out of your mind, you do dumb stuff sometimes.
690
00:45:24.746 --> 00:45:26.087
And you're not making logical decisions.
691
00:45:26.107 --> 00:45:27.167
And you're not well-rested.
692
00:45:27.207 --> 00:45:29.568
So let's focus on getting rid of the fear.
693
00:45:29.628 --> 00:45:29.948
It's like...
694
00:45:30.748 --> 00:45:38.117
Again, I think 99.9% of people should be unplugging the news because they just their job is to make you so afraid you have to pick it up.
695
00:45:38.137 --> 00:45:38.817
You have to listen.
696
00:45:38.837 --> 00:45:39.398
You have to read.
697
00:45:39.538 --> 00:45:40.539
You have to stay informed.
698
00:45:41.440 --> 00:45:45.405
And somehow we bond this logic that you need to do that in order to be like a good citizen.
699
00:45:45.425 --> 00:45:46.246
It's like, no, you don't.
700
00:45:46.406 --> 00:45:48.068
You take care of your family and help other people.
701
00:45:48.588 --> 00:45:50.531
And it has nothing to do with knowing what's happening in Korea.
702
00:45:51.635 --> 00:45:51.775
Fair.
703
00:45:52.155 --> 00:45:52.435
All right.
704
00:45:52.775 --> 00:45:53.956
Well, that's AI data centers.
705
00:45:54.576 --> 00:45:55.416
That's vibe coding.
706
00:45:55.436 --> 00:45:55.977
That's all of it.
707
00:45:55.997 --> 00:45:58.858
That was all the most like controversial topics.
708
00:45:58.878 --> 00:45:59.058
Yeah.
709
00:45:59.158 --> 00:45:59.478
Yeah.
710
00:45:59.498 --> 00:46:00.438
So leave a comment.
711
00:46:00.458 --> 00:46:02.039
Tell us if you hate it, you like it, whatever.
712
00:46:02.079 --> 00:46:02.999
I'm going to get you roasted.
713
00:46:03.099 --> 00:46:05.200
We will wrap up with some not financial advice.
714
00:46:05.320 --> 00:46:06.080
Do you have any for the people?
715
00:46:06.100 --> 00:46:06.981
Would you like me to start?
716
00:46:07.421 --> 00:46:07.961
I will start.
717
00:46:08.541 --> 00:46:10.122
So a podcast that was great.
718
00:46:10.242 --> 00:46:12.143
Very much a futurist podcast.
719
00:46:12.183 --> 00:46:15.044
A positive outlook on the future is Modern Wisdom.
720
00:46:15.264 --> 00:46:18.625
Chris Williamson with David Friedberg from the online podcast.
721
00:46:19.265 --> 00:46:21.366
They talk all things AI data centers.
722
00:46:21.386 --> 00:46:28.170
They talk David Freeberg wants to build a base on the moon as like the hub to then get to Mars.
723
00:46:28.470 --> 00:46:29.071
It's interesting.
724
00:46:29.111 --> 00:46:32.773
Like it was very intellectually stimulating and like a fun conversation.
725
00:46:33.473 --> 00:46:38.076
I didn't take it too seriously, but I thought I was like, hey, this is someone who has like a very positive outlook on the future.
726
00:46:38.236 --> 00:46:38.716
I like this.
727
00:46:38.736 --> 00:47:02.278
he does let's talk about this like it's so funny more of that what's the point of getting like building a thing on the moon and mars realistically there's only one reason just in case earth gets hit by an asteroid like can you imagine like that is like the premise of a lot of what elon builds spacex around like obviously you actually make money using things like satellites and ai but like we're trying to make it as extraterrestrial what's the reason
728
00:47:03.302 --> 00:47:08.068
The use case is that if this Earth gets hit by an asteroid, we got somewhere else to go.
729
00:47:08.888 --> 00:47:10.530
That's basically the whole business model.
730
00:47:11.051 --> 00:47:11.992
That's crazy.
731
00:47:12.352 --> 00:47:13.414
Like, that's why I think it's so funny.
732
00:47:13.434 --> 00:47:16.577
All these billionaires are talking about getting the moon and getting to Mars.
733
00:47:16.958 --> 00:47:18.399
So what's the real use case?
734
00:47:18.439 --> 00:47:21.383
So best case scenario, I get to survive and live on Mars.
735
00:47:22.777 --> 00:47:25.038
In a dome with artificial weather.
736
00:47:25.078 --> 00:47:25.799
Let's go.
737
00:47:25.879 --> 00:47:27.240
I am so excited about that.
738
00:47:27.440 --> 00:47:29.521
I think, let the asteroid hit me, bro.
739
00:47:29.601 --> 00:47:29.821
Fair.
740
00:47:30.081 --> 00:47:31.542
I'm kind of with you on that, though.
741
00:47:31.562 --> 00:47:32.143
Just take it.
742
00:47:32.843 --> 00:47:33.303
But you know what?
743
00:47:33.323 --> 00:47:37.986
If they want to spend trillions of dollars blowing things up and sending things to Mars, all power to them.
744
00:47:38.006 --> 00:47:40.187
They got more money than they know to do it.
745
00:47:40.207 --> 00:47:41.288
So that's why not financial advice.
746
00:47:41.308 --> 00:47:42.128
Listen to that podcast.
747
00:47:42.669 --> 00:47:44.250
Modern Ways Down with David Freeberg on.
748
00:47:44.370 --> 00:47:44.750
Let's go.
749
00:47:45.553 --> 00:47:46.614
Non-financial advice.
750
00:47:46.754 --> 00:47:48.155
Dude, I don't really have anything.
751
00:47:48.295 --> 00:47:48.795
Oh, okay.
752
00:47:48.835 --> 00:47:49.816
I'm going to – I'll do it right now.
753
00:47:50.156 --> 00:47:53.179
So if you have to sit down for a long time, get a cooling pad.
754
00:47:53.579 --> 00:47:55.180
The thing was like $20 on Amazon.
755
00:47:55.480 --> 00:48:02.826
You push the button aside and you get literal fans in your butt just cooling you off, making sure you don't get sweaty.
756
00:48:03.246 --> 00:48:06.648
So when I'm doing a long recording session, I turn the bad boy on.
757
00:48:06.849 --> 00:48:07.669
And you can't even hear it.
758
00:48:07.949 --> 00:48:08.630
It's on right now.
759
00:48:08.910 --> 00:48:09.410
I respect that.
760
00:48:09.430 --> 00:48:10.011
That's a great poll.
761
00:48:10.191 --> 00:48:10.391
All right.
762
00:48:10.411 --> 00:48:11.372
Actually, people have probably been wondering.
763
00:48:11.392 --> 00:48:12.753
I have the whole time in saying you can see it.
764
00:48:12.773 --> 00:48:12.873
Yeah.
765
00:48:13.296 --> 00:48:16.993
That's alright, it looks good Alright, that's all we got, like and subscribe, leave a comment