How We Think About Skiing - Ski Dad TV and Tom Gellie

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[SPEAKER_02]: ski transitions, affordances, equipment, coaching our kids, coaching styles, technique, is really important.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot in this episode.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I guess I'm struggling today to come up with a good introduction for this every time you do a podcast, you kind of want to have a good intro that hooks the audience.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, what I can say is in this episode I catch up with Joe Dunn, who's better known as ski dad TV on YouTube.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Perhaps you follow him if you don't,
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[SPEAKER_02]: he's a brilliant thinker, he's an awesome skier, and John I got to catch up in Australia at my home resort threadboe and do some skiing for half a day.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's some really cool conversations on the chairlift.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes they'll advance, which is, you know, good to get your opinions out there and have someone listen to you, you know, talk about maybe something that's different from what other people say, and
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[SPEAKER_02]: and we wish that we'd recorded the podcast right there and then on the jelly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But we haven't too much fun skiing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So this is that conversation that covers things like the transition, equipment, experiments that Joe's done, coaching our kids,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Coaching in general, like covering the ecological approach, to constrain space learning, some advice for there, some things we've learned, mistakes we've made, things we've found useful.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think this episode is for you, if you're the kind of person that loves the big picture-skiing podcast, you love ski-dad TV, perhaps you're instructive, perhaps you're just obsessed with skiing, and you just love finding out all the little, nitty-gritty things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what this podcast was originally intended to do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Back when I started it in like 2012, I needed to check that date, but it was well with four podcasts where like the cool thing to do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I wanted to share these fly on the wall, like you'd be a fly on the wall, conversations with these great thinkers in the ski world that I got to meet and know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So this is your chance to listen in on that, you might disagree with some things, you might find other things enlightening.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If anything, I just hope it stimulates your mind and you know, just keeps feeling the fire for skiing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what we all love.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So let's get in this episode with Joe Dunn and myself Tom Galley discussing many things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're awesome.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's get into it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I've actually been trying to draw like a proper internship, specifically in ski racing, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Slalom and giant slalom, like being able to draw the line through the gates since college.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I remember like sitting in a, I was in English class and sitting there and I'm looking at the floor in front of me and I'm like, where is the turn?
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[SPEAKER_00]: How, like, why can't I see it, why can't I draw it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it always just stuck with me that I couldn't
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[SPEAKER_00]: Drop probably whenever you go to a board and you started working on and drawing it there was always if if you were trying to link it as two seas with a with perpetual curve so there's no flats bottom between it just doesn't work right you can't get the term one turn on further across and then.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was maybe, maybe about five years ago that I started, okay, now the turn is, sorry, when I started coaching the Park C ski team, there's another coach, it was like the turn is a comment, it's not a C. And so that was one of the big breakthroughs for me, was now the turn's a comma.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So instead of trying to draw that perfect C, going left to right, now okay, I'm gonna draw a comma, it's gonna bring it further across the hill and now the top of the turn's gonna be a little bit tighter than the way out,
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[SPEAKER_00]: right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So then moving forward and then I start the YouTube channel and I'm again trying to draw the perfect line to be able to do a presentation in a video and as I'm doing it I'm watching three turns in my video and I'm trying to draw the lines exactly from these three turns into the video and I'm realizing that I'm somewhere in between drawing my center of mass and
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's just choose one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's just draw the feet and what that's going to look like and actually the feet kind of almost makes a link to link you get those good looking arcs in the snow and so I drew my feet through this one section.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I raised the diagram and I tried to draw my my hips, my center mask going through the same three turn sequence and realize it's two completely different shapes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the big differences is that
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[SPEAKER_00]: In the transition, after you release, once you're in the weight of the ski, if you do go fully airborne, which a lot of times you do, your center mass is going to go dead straight immediately.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like if you take a bucket of water on a string and you're swinging around your head as hard as you can, the water is staying in the bucket and if some of the samurai sort cuts that string, the bucket's going to go dead straight immediately, no more curve.
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[UNKNOWN]: Right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now I'm realizing, okay, now it's two, you have to have two different drawings.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can draw the feet or the skis, but you can draw the center of mass and how the center of mass is traveling.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then once you accept that in the transition through the float phase, which is what I call because you come up and if you're in the air you're floating, or if you have less than bodyweight pressure through transition, that's essentially floating.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The center mask goes is dead straight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And now all of a sudden, I've got the commissate turn it finishes out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then when you release, you go dead straight over to initiation,
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[SPEAKER_00]: through the flip face, you could have twisted your skis into the fall line, and so it's no longer like a perfect top curvy part of the turn, it kicks, and so your center of mass is going to go from
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[SPEAKER_00]: a curved, called a left-footed turn, curved left-footed turn.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You unweight, and let's see, you get full on the airtime.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now your center-mess is going dead straight, and then you brace out, and you engage the right foot, almost in the front line, and immediately start going down the hill.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So your center-math path goes, curvy, long curve, dead straight, kink into another curve.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I want to ask now what, OK, we've got two questions.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What do you think have been the issues you've seen with people when they don't conceptualize this in the right way or they think it's sort of too curvy and they don't have this straight path and that, you know, I think a lot of people who maybe starting to see realize there is, they've all seen the center of mass path and it's inside of where the feed are and there's the outer arc, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: But what you're saying goes a little deeper than that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So one, what is the problems there?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, why should we, why should you really care about getting it right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, the person listening, why does it really matter?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, so, okay, the, the first, the issue you see the most that I think this kind of, I don't know if it solves it, but it's, it's a, it's a good insight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is, in skewering, it's kids diving into early.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So as soon as they release, they're thinking curve to curve.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As soon as they release, they start diving their body in because they're thinking they're in the top half of the arc already.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Meanwhile, what they really need to be focused on is that now they're going to go dead.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You travel across the hill in the straight path.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're not going down, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You've you've finished your turn.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now you're traveling across the hill.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you know and skew racing you talk here people talking about elevation all the time you get a state up you got to keep elevation well if you were to just keep that lateral momentum or that that straight line going straight across and accept that you are going straight across and then just brace into the new turn.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you're gonna end up having elevation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think when you're trying to curve in there, if every diagram you've ever seen is curve to curve, as soon as you're on weight, you're like, oh, this is where I start curving down the hill.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so by not accepting that motion across that straight line across, they dive into early and it's the classic, now you lose the outside ski and you know, chatter below the gate.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So there's there's your reasoning why why it's important they may be perhaps understand this differently.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Have you thought about like what about if we never drew diagrams with that be even better or do you think it is valuable to have these kind of models and sort of simple diagrams?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think accurate information is the best thing for everybody.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, if the information we were giving from jump was good, it'd be so much easier for everybody.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But because I was thinking in my whole life, and I want to speak for everybody, but I'm gonna say, but most people are thinking that C to C that hooked a hook curve to curve, it's an inaccurate representation of the center of mass.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, maybe correct for your skis.
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[SPEAKER_00]: However, what you have to remember for the skis
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[SPEAKER_00]: when you are retracting the feet or releasing the skis, there's an acceleration.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now the skis are still moving us fast forward as your center of mass.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the speed, the skis are going forward, the same speed as you are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But once you start flipping them underneath, now they're gaining extra distances of the traveling.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the skis are going
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[SPEAKER_00]: in a motion context and, you know, what does it throw dimensions, three dimensions, then your center of mass.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you have a different of rate of, your center of mass going through the transition, your skis, because your skis is switching from the left side of you over here, all the way over to the right side of you over here, as you're going forward at the same rate of speed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's why the diagrams look so different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so like when I was trying to draw these,
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[SPEAKER_00]: the feet diagram looks completely different than the center of mass diagram.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the reason I call the float phase of float phase is because phase is a separation, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Water, ice, water, vapor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a separation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a line in between the two with the same.
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[SPEAKER_00]: thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, but there are two versions of the thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you put your hand in water, it feels like water.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you put hand in ice, it feels like ice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you put your hand waved around in the air, it feels like air.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So when you're turning and you're in the arc, you've got G forces on you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like centripetals, your under centripetal forces.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Once you release those and you're going linear,
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no more G-forces, you just go in linear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's a different feeling from G-forces and centripetals to floating and going straight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's two phases of turning.
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[SPEAKER_02]: hand in the water, hand out of the water.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think there's simple things analogies like that, but like that to me straight away, especially as we're talking here, I can start like really feeling it because I think we both are a big proponent of, if you can get someone to get this in a felt sense and they don't have to, I would think it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: See, you're on the, you're on the mock.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Totally.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And now so you have that feeling, like if you finish your turn and you release and you know and you accept that you're going diagonally across the hill, you can feel it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And now is as you switch your feet in the full face and you're like, no, I'm accepting this diagonal and as you pick you feet up and move them over it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now you're, you're, you're doing this from a place of like calmness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, and as you're trying to balance on anything or do that switch in the air, it's like you want somebody to go off of a tabletop, right, and they hit it and they have that perfect trajectory, they arc over and it lands and it's just smooth and clean, right, because they're in control, they're there, you know, you go up, you lift your feet up a little bit, you bend your knees a little bit more in the air, but your center mass is perfect, and then you come down, extend the feet, and it's perfect, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because you've accepted that,
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[SPEAKER_00]: float, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's a, it's, it's what parabolic, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, so when you, when you accept that it's going to happen and then it's the right thing to happen is you're traveling across that you're going to be floating and now you can be, okay, now I'm going to just like going off that tabletop, you jump calmly, maneuver, land, engage in your skin, you're gone.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like this season, I saw you in Australia.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Would you say this is one of the float phase and kind of focusing there?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is it one of the things you've really been focused on paying attention to, trying to figure out how to help people with that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, I mean, I'll definitely talk about it with people who are at the right level.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I don't think like starting off a lot of lessons with like, oh, we're going to jump in between the turns.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to like propel people all the way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but I do have, I ran into this when I was coaching six years ago.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I didn't have an awareness at the time because honestly, six years ago, I did not know that you went straight in between the turns.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this realization to me was something that came last year and I thought it was like the biggest thing that I had ever thought of or even conceptualized and haven't seen anywhere in any of the main roles, I haven't seen in, you know, ski racing, PSIA, none of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh, here we go, and everyone just looked at it like, yeah, who cares, no big deal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My guy's like, I think this is a big deal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And DJ was the best athlete, number one athlete, played soccer, played speed ball in the gym running just athletically gifted.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was so amazing, good ski racer, but not a best ski racer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But there was one day where we set a course and there was a big cross run in the middle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you had to kind of hit the side of the cross route, jump, land transition, land and go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: TJ, that day was our best skier.
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[SPEAKER_00]: because he was fairly accepting a full phase during the jump on purpose, getting up, getting over, we weren't talking about it, but it immediately made him our best athlete, our best skier.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I looked back and like, man, like, well, we could have done with him because it was so good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now he didn't, he did great, but just like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, having an accurate representation of what we're trying to do, or just being more accurate, really, just being more on the ball of what we're trying to do, saying it's simply cleaner, like it can only help.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We had a discussion just before recording here about, like, saying things to people that potentially box them in.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So like a technique or a how to do something that potentially means they don't explore or that's the only way they perhaps transition.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I guess when I'm getting out here, it reminded me when Carve brought in transition weight release, which is almost essentially them measuring float phase.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Last year, I was in Austria and they said, we want to make a video about it because it's a new metric.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Can you do that?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Can you teach that?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it was a little bit at first, like I don't want to make a video where it was about if you're always floating,
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[SPEAKER_02]: you're getting the best like that's the best you know what I mean like like as you said like beginners if they're not doing float phase like to tell them that they're doing it wrong is not like contextually correct so what I ended up wondering where I'm getting it is the thing that I tried to show and I think people probably just blew over it straight away it was I said watch this and I got up on the shoulders of of um mark and Alex
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[SPEAKER_02]: and suspended in the air and I said, look what happens when my feet are like not in contact with the ground.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I can pivot them very easily.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's no resistance.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I can edge them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I can move them for and after side to side everywhere.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've got freedom.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And as soon as I'm down and then they pressed on me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: a bit like the phase of water going from air to ice, the very different feelings.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I was trying to show that it's not right or wrong, but these different phases that you get allow different things to happen, skills to appear, movements to be easier, or harder, depending on that phase.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, maybe this opens up this discussion.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, on that point, like maybe,
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[SPEAKER_02]: contextualize load phase and then helping get the point across here where you see it feeding and not to box people and always try and own.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you get what I'm saying.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, totally.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that you know the difference you're in walking and running.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, both feet running, both feet never at some point not in contact with the ground, walking, there's always a foot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I think that there should be a distinction and we can make it, as unbound ski teachers,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't know if PSA agrees with me yet or not, but to me, the difference between a a basic turn or basic parallel turn and a performance turn is the performance turn has the float face.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just like in walking and running, walking, you've always got one foot on the ground.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When you're doing a basic parallel, you're always keeping weight on the skis.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When you go to a performance turn, something has a little bit of pop, you're going to have that float.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And now you've moved into another range of skiing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now there's more energy into it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right away, that's what the bister in it would see is that, all that skiing is going more energy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like with anything like flowface, we're not saying you need to jump in between every turn.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, there's going to be turns where you're just a little bit light in between, right, where you're going to have your feet still totally on the snow and they're fairly way to like on the flats, right, if you're doing a big up and down across the flats, you're going to be killing your speed, but in that transition, you're certainly going to get a little bit lighter than your body weight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: end up in between turns with full body weight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That means you came out of that old turns so gradually that you just maintain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: body weight, and then you go into the moon run without having the ability to add in because you came out so gradually.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So like, there's going to be a full gradient from coming out of a turn, keeping the skis on the snow, and then, you know, as it picks up or maybe even as it gets steeper, you start getting the skis lighter and lighter as you need to get on pivoty.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're just linking arc to arc, you don't need the skis to come out of the
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or, you know, as it gets really difficult, or as you get off-piece, or you're skiing something really, really steep, and you need a lot of pivot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then you're going to actually get up in the air, kind of use the rebound from the old turn, get the skis up in the air, do the pivoting, do whatever maneuvering you want to do, and land on a ski at a new trajectory.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe there's sometimes like, you know, when we're free skiing in Australia, we're doing a lot of doubling of those mortgles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: because it opens up the field in front of you, no longer do you have to ski kind of just a crudding mogul field from one mogul to the other.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're not zipper line.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can just pop one, and if you're comfortable, just like that guy on the tabletop.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just pop up, float it over, lay in on the backside exactly where you want to land into that next turn and just move in it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is like the freedom of skiing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There is no like this float looks like this or this turn is going to look like this and you need to twist the ski this
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[SPEAKER_00]: three inches in front of the toe piece of the binding.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the perfect spot to pivot the skeet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you can't anything that we're teaching or talking about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't take as a phone ultimatum.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the only way to do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It can never be like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's always going to be a gradient.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think that's that's one of the main points.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think why we wanted to
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[SPEAKER_02]: get on here and maybe a little bit of a rant, but I remember bringing up this topic about, like a must-have in a turn, people always like, you have to be balanced on your out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like a good turn, you're balanced on the outside ski early in the turn.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like a statement like that, I just repel so strongly against that, because it's not a must.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like for a turn to come around,
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[SPEAKER_02]: then anyone who's on who's a one-legged skier and I put that in this video like now suddenly he shouldn't be turning or she shouldn't be turning because they have just one leg and so then does it doesn't work and what about snowboard and so I'm pretty pretty similar equipment they don't have an outside and inside snowboard so it's like not a fundamental thing that must be there and I guess that's what we're
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[SPEAKER_02]: bringing up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's sort of maybe, yeah, this float phase idea is almost like seen as don't come up and don't leave the snow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All good skiers are on the snow, early, the mogul example you gave again, like good mogul skiing you're in contact early.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's just really, if you're always trying to do that, you're so limited.
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[SPEAKER_00]: get pressure on the outside ski early in the turn and okay on this moderate blue you're doing a great job of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just roll and arcs, get an early edge pressure every time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now you go over the break over and you bring the exact same thought process onto the break over on something that's twice as steep, good luck.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's not going to, you have to change something,
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[SPEAKER_00]: As things get harder, it's like the coaching is do the exact same thing you're doing just do it better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So so you come over with this early early edge pressure in the outside ski and then you break over on the pitch and you're supposed to just get better at it all of a sudden or double your strength all of a sudden to be able to maintain that G force with that same approach down the pitch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It just can't work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, another one in the same vein is the
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[SPEAKER_00]: stepping on to the pinky toe edge of the inside ski and waiting the uphill ski and then rolling that into the turn.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is such a specialized maneuver.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It makes me bananas and anyway even talks about
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the thing that I think I've always been trying to pursue and where I really maybe got focused and discovered this was when I was a body worker as my main job.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I was skin-structing, then my wife couldn't do seasons, you know, back to back anymore.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So limited time on snow, I had to have another profession, camera body worker.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I did this structural integration course and I thought that structural integration was the the best technique and would solve every single problem out there and you know seeing some great results.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But then other people would come in and they go I saw the chiropractor and this decades long hip pain went away like overnight.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and then someone else went and sort of the diet just got new footbeds and now suddenly their hip pain or back pain went away and so it started making me realize that it's like what is what is the most common thing between all these different modalities that are achieving a similar result?
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you can get to what that is, then you're getting more to a core fundamental, and that's a really important thing to teach not the everyone needs a footboard or everyone needs a carapactor, everyone needs a structure and to grade it's not that it's what's behind or that it's the more important thing, and I guess that's what we're kind of getting out here and unfortunately out there when you develop a system to teach something, you almost have to
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know it must be hard.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You have to choose and be like, this is how we do it in this country and in this association, and you kind of put words to it and for our short-term, you are doing this and this and instead of them, maybe being.
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[SPEAKER_02]: concepts, they sometimes end up being these, the brush of the big toe edge before the fall line, and you lay, blah, blah, this and that corridor of this width.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Instead of a concept that give you a parameter.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And end up boxing everybody in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is where Phil Smith's snow displacement
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[SPEAKER_00]: As far as I'm concerned, it's the only philosophy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I had my base skiing philosophy, which I think if for skieracing is a philosophy too, like my whole thing for base skiing was in skieracing, you need clean completions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no other statement below that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you have a kid that they're, you know, you get a group of kids and day one of the season, go, what's the goal and the every kid goes, clean up lesions and then the next year they go on to a new coach and the coach goes, what's the goal and the kids go, clean up lesions and then you've got a philosophy and that program is just going to cruise.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kids know what the goal is, they know what they're trying to do, they go up with a question,
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[SPEAKER_00]: you need a clean completion right there below that gate so what can you do to get that clean completion the kid goes okay knowing I got to do right and and because it's a philosophical approach not a kick comes up a coach what do I got to do well you got to move on to the new outside ski is really easy can you got to bring a little bit of shape you got to get the inside knee go and drive the inside hand you know all these things all these parameters move while like just that
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[SPEAKER_00]: with the philosophy or just that concept, no, you gotta be clean right there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what it feels like to have a clean outside, it's getting you have to have it right there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what do you need to do now to get that to happen and the kids like looking inside and going, oh, I know, now I can figure that out because they're, you know, the conceptually being taught.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think this maybe is a good time to go into this affordances idea that I know that you've also looked into.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So do you want to explain your your version of what you understand this word affordances to be in context of maybe skiing?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I was introduced to the affordances by you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So thank you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The affordances is for us or the useful affordances for us is looking at the snow texture or feeling, you know, after that first run, what does the snow feel like?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, right away, like, you know, I know that after, you know, 20, maybe even 30 years now of skiing, pretty close to 100 days a year for my whole life,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've got a lot of experience and different snow textures.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I go out, feel the snow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And like, oh, this feels like you used to feel this day and this is what works and this is how I'm going to go about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the affordances are powder snow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's going to hold you back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be fluffy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everything's going to be easy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You just do a lot of jumping side to side.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to work great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But we're a proof ice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: OK. Well, I'm going to have to stand on my outside ski exclusively.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the affordances or our experience of skiers gives us the opportunity to go out and perform well on it right away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when we're coaching and teaching somebody to right away just pulling out what's going on in the snow and then to share that experience with somebody can get them caught up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And what I found is when the snow's bad,
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[SPEAKER_00]: and admitting to your student or athlete that the snow's bad, they're just like, oh, thank God.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe she knows they've been trying to fake it so hard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or maybe I made great turns, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I'm skin structure, I've got mid-fat skis, they're tomb gray and right away, I'm just making great turns.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the student or whatever's like, oh, I'm struggling, and I come back around and go, man, this snow is tough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, oh, thank goodness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for admitting that because I'm struggling and they're okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, man, this figure out how to here's what I know that works when it's like this and this is how I can help you just by helping you Understand and be okay with the snow not being perfect
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think what I've found useful with this idea of affordances and I'll explain the like, affordances explain how you can interact with the environment.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So what does the environment afford you to do is maybe an explanation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that then helps us
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[SPEAKER_02]: make a better decision.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so power to snow to you and I, like straight away, well, like that affords me to send it faster and bigger.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I can jump off stuff and not hurt myself maybe as easily.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It affords me to take a straighter, turn shape.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't have to change my turn shape, I don't have to whatever do it there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But then to other people, the interesting about affordances,
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[SPEAKER_02]: like up until this year, Archie, every time we hit powder, he sees it as this sucks because I can't do what I've usually been doing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It trips me over, it's heavy, it's hard.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not used to it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so he sees it completely different to everyone else.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And everyone sees it differently.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's comes from this ecological approach to coaching where
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[SPEAKER_02]: the way we learn and even animals is through our interaction with the environment.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so when you coach someone,
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[SPEAKER_02]: you're trying to guide them into your experience, Joe, my experience of like all the different types of snow of what this snow can afford you to do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you didn't realize you can go, you don't have to turn as much in powder, Archie.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You can go straight like, just straight line this bit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Look how fun that is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, then you go back on to ice, straight line this, and suddenly that does not afford me the same kind of things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think this really ties back well to like I've been really trying to not tell people too much about how to do something because it takes away from this overarching idea of affordances.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Today, the snow is prime.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We are not going to do basic parallel turns.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We are going to go fast.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's grippy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: that sort of thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I think it's a brilliant change.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think coaches in all sports,
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[SPEAKER_02]: should learn this concept because then you suddenly go, um, yeah, on the day, well, you know what this this run, like you saw the front valley into school's race, so mellow, like you're not trying to look for these big float phases, your level, just tuck and like stay on the ground and generate as much speed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so if you're teaching what that situation affords and seeing visually, like the gates and not that wide, this is the decision to make, then you put the power into the person because everyone sees it through their own experience and differences.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think it's a really cool concept and I wish it was taught more and they teach it in design like when you design say a new chair or a new bookshelf or something You're thinking about the affordances like I can fit books of a certain size in here
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[SPEAKER_02]: but not others, and you know, it's got to see through back, so it'll afford you to put it somewhere that has a nice back wall, but one that has a really bad one is not a great place to put it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, it's just a cool concept.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, are there some other, some affordances you found?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You were trying to help your athletes discover and notice of late.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I remember talking to some kids one time we're inspecting of course, and I was like, you know that big like long-term that you were in a slow Right, and so in slow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna go back and forth like there's a lot of those turns But then there was a big delay and I was like you know that like long-legged turn you do to come around and the kids just looked at me And they're like no
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're like, wait, I've seen you guys make this turn, but we've never described it like this and I'm just, I'm trying to describe what I've seen you guys do, but when I say it like that, you're like, I have no idea what you're talking about, like, oh, man, like, what do we, how do we start talking about things?
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[SPEAKER_00]: in a better way so that I can say something like that to a kid like oh just that long leg of turn just that longer pressure feel you know so that they don't feeling like they have to ski in this box and then they can fall through the chorus long turn short turns hair pins delays all of it with with unique movements of flowed in and out of through the
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[SPEAKER_00]: like the perfect way to describe what we're internally doing as we're out there diagnosing the day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like the perfect description of what we've neatly been doing, but definitely hasn't haven't said.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, definitely.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When you were you experienced it, you know, that day we ski together and thread bow and it was kind of like spring.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Lots of snow around.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so in my
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[SPEAKER_02]: with the snow it is how it is today in my mind.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I know we can do this, we can go here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know what Joe can do, like his ski level, we'll go do that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's all base around it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like we think in this way, every day we drive into traffic and we go, there's a gap, I can take that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We don't go, like measure, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just interesting to think that way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: it does for your coaching.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What I've liked is it becomes far more exploratory.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If someone doesn't realize you can go waste trader in powder.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You don't teach them how to do it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You go see what happens when you change your tone shape and go down in this powder and find out and tell me what you discovered.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like what did you afford?
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[SPEAKER_02]: what did this situation afford you to do that was different from before and if you can build that experience then you can pull from it in future situations.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're just talking it through with them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like do you feel that in the powder like how you were on something that's so steep?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if it was firm snow and now we'd be nervous on this pitch, but right now, you're going slower, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, you're at him going slower and like, oh, great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then we're good to go because the snow's holding you back and now they felt that and now they've got that trust that you gain in powder where you can just dive vomit and not worry about having to control your speed nearly as much.
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[SPEAKER_02]: hey tell me that i just realized tell me to and tell us about you didn't experiment with boots because that's kind of got to do with the fordances you took a different pair of boots and uh... what did you said you had some assumptions and then you felt it and it was very different so you're talking about when i went between the might my thirtail boots and
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[SPEAKER_00]: So as a racer, I was in a full on plug boot, love the full on plug boot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even when I was a ski rap, I got into the Doberman Boots.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And technically, about the Doberman, I was like, oh my god, this is the greatest boot of every hat, and I spent two weeks in the garage grinding it perfectly at the perfect boot, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I've got, wait a second, I'd to keep going on that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Why, what ever for you to do, compared to boots beforehand, that you were like, you love this boot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My ankle fits in the doberman perfectly and not just the sides of my ankle the front from my shin to the top of my foot is perfectly matched with the boot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So when I'm in that boot and it's a size 25 doberman, my ankle flex is like my ankle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I can't play basketball in it, but I feel like I could play basketball in it because I'm that free in my movement that the boot matches my flexion perfectly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, so then, so I teach you I got a full tilt boot, full wrap intuition liner, it's way warmer, I love it, and I really found it to ski great, it really skis well, and for the most part I'm able to ski almost at the level I can in the the woke up race boot, but it's not quite right, there's just a little tick off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: like my whole leg now I have to move my leg kind of tip my knee over the top of the ankle versus being able to like take the ankle inside the boot and cock it into the right spot because the full toe is not matched as perfectly to my shin and maybe it's sloppy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It definitely is sloppy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's longer room inside so my whole leg can move around inside of it a lot more than that like third performance fit
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[SPEAKER_00]: But at the end of the day, like, if I am just making the overall movements the way I do, I can make the full tilt look pretty good, which situation did you find?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You went, I'm not taking this full tilt out because I can't do this or it doesn't feel
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like that the if the full tilt gets me to 90% it's that last 10% that I want.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I can pretty much do any day and enjoy it in the full tilt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if I want to like really have a day that's for me, I'm definitely taking the racebook.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I want that like top level.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to have that that that that
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[SPEAKER_00]: quick to edge, whatever it is that there are immediate responsiveness of the boom.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now tell you a spot that's kind of surprising is what I'm skiing powder.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want my race boom.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In the full tilt, I have to like, cock my ankle and like, hold my ankle into a flex position.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if I don't actually hold it, feels like I'm having to push the heel into the back of the boot all times to keep my shin, fur it on it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And in the race boot, it's just automatically there, because if I do extend my ankle, the backwards, right, pushing the heel up towards the top of the boot, if I do that in the full tilt, it'll go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was room there, but if I do that in the race boot, it's just stuck in it won't go there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't have to worry about that feeling of losing contact with the front of the boot or losing that connection.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Unless they don't like what a bit of a wheelie coming out and like Yeah, yeah, and then that's where that's where it's dangerous.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like the only time I'm worried about losing a Ligaman is basically in that when you really out like that that backwards twist Yeah, and so in the raceboard it holds me in but in the full tail I've got to herb myself into that position of safety keep in my ankle cock the whole time Yeah, okay, what about skis you do
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I think we're all on this affordances idea, you're waking up or you're judging the last few days of skiing and you're going, this is the ski I'm taking out because it affords me to be able to do X, Y and Z, which is what I want to do today based in the conditions and I would take out the other one because it's better in this and this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like what did you end up liking skiing in Australia?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I had a 88 on the foot, Blizzard anomaly in a 176, which was perfect for those conditions like spring conditions about 88 on the foot's perfect.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can do, you know, all the shorts turns you want, but in the morning when it was icy and crusty, I was still good to go.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Did you find too that?
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[SPEAKER_02]: there's a little bit less space in general, so like the 176 is good you didn't need to go super long because there's not many places you can really go full tilt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I would have made 30% less turns in every situation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Had I been on like one of my favorite carving skis is an 88 underfoot 187 length Blizzard Brahma.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So way longer, but like make super sick turns, but you need a big deer valley wide open groomer for that ski to do what you wanted to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, I have a ridiculous number of skis.
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[SPEAKER_00]: to 20 plus.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I'll rotate through and try and use each of them on the right day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, like, ultra firm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm taking out a stiffer, narrow ski, the softer, the wider I get.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm also willing to fully go on a carving day in a 94-underfoot twin tip.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, non ice carving day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, like western quarter right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Grippy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Grippy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're the ski sinkin' in a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, nice.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, did you enjoy your Aussie trip?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I loved it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought the skew was very cool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I really struggled when I got back to describe it to people accurately, because all they wanted to hear was, oh, you went to Australia.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a most amazing vacation I've ever had.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was so awesome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I thought, okay, well, the terrain is cool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's techy, it's interesting, super fun, very playful, extremely playful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're like popping everywhere, a lot of airtime.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Really, I really enjoy that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The snow condition though, like, a lot of mush.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of mush.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of mush.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, and the mountains are, they're fun and they're cool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But without perfect snow, I don't know, they're not, I don't know the length of the runs and everything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not,
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not, it's not what Utah is, that's for sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Can you see, do you think you would say that you understand why maybe, like, I skierce it, like, did it give you an inkling to, oh, I see why people skierce in a way or have a style like this or choose to do it that way because of what constraints the kind of snow we get in the environment like that the terrain is like, did you, did that come across?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I didn't think of it at the time, but now that you're bringing it up, I also over last summer, I got to change the ski with Riley McLaston.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so getting to ski with the two of you who I've watched on YouTube for years, getting to ski with each of you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: First of all, it was like amazing because you were both like fun right away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it was like, all right, perfect.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're two peas in a pot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is going to be great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're just went out and shredded.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But both of you have
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[SPEAKER_00]: So much action and precision in your short turns and like when I was following you and you dip into your short turns I'd be like all right, like I'm gonna try and just and I could I couldn't match like you're hit at the bottom I could match it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't match it with the accuracy
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think with nothing though I'm thinking about a rally's got that same move like his that dynamic short term that he does is just like so phenomenal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's with that mushy snow you can go in and get it because it's actually kind of soft.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so you're working on that good hard aggressive move in a a mush kind of soft snow situation where you can figure out how to hit it perfectly every time where if you were trying to learn that technique on firm snow and ice,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Good luck.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're your chatter in all day until you find it and you probably never going to find it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so maybe.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, that's right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's because I wasn't fishing for that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was just interested.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And because I, yeah, I think that I remember what's his name.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sasha Rerex saying, like pointing out when he gets people at the top, like coming to the U.S. ski team, like the guys from the East, have this set of skills and they good at this, but then they hit this kind of terrain and they know good and the West coast is the same.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that environment is shaping
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[SPEAKER_02]: the kind of skiing you end up doing a lot more or figuring out, again, actually, these are forances, what the terrain, what the snow actually allows you to do with it, really dictates what you can do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Totally.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's interesting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So then, what do you think now, if you think about that in terms of where you grew up, what do you think that's brought out in your own skiing, like traits, attributes?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I grew up East Coast right a lot of ice firm snow and it was all just about like jam on it just jam into it hard
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[SPEAKER_00]: get it grip, be gritty, you know, go over the bumps like it was always like very bumpy course conditions rarely smooth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you get like hard and you get tough and you just charge no matter what it's like.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And now I live in the west and it's just smooth and flowy and you look at the western skiers and they're all just smooth and flowy and their body is just, you know, like water coming down the mountain, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think
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[SPEAKER_00]: For me, when I came to the West, I was able to finally feel the turn better, when the East was just jam on it, get it over there, jam on it, get it over there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then in the West, I was able to stand and really lengthen my arc and feel the balance inside of the ski.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And hang out and aren't some really for the first time ever touch my hip to the snow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I never did it until I was through with my ski race in career.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was skiing, I was skiing a groom around a powder day on powder skis.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I could touch my hip to the snow because finally there was more platform and more just flat terrain in front of me that I could just hang out and balance in the turn on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of cool when you think about that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just thinking of the listener.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then going, I'm trying to get better at this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying to figure out that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Have they considered like where they are, the environment, the snow, that sort of stuff, the skis they're on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Have they checked all those things off?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Cause like you said, you could have been out there being coached in this sort of stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You came to the west, suddenly you just started doing it because of the affordances there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So should somebody at a mid-Western resort just accept that they are doing that mid-Western resort's turns and trying to get the best of those?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's what?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what Buck Hill affords you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So get good at that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And of joy?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And look for a trip if you want to mix it up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: like go the probably one of the best things you can do is don't go get maybe advice straight away go somewhere like go out at least I remember going to Quebec and it's pretty like it was different sort of ice to the ice we get in Australia and you know what I mean like it's just a difference like I definitely can feel how they get those in snow ice yeah it's not it's not
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I can see if I just spent more time there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just going to get good at that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to figure it out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's much better than trying to.
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[SPEAKER_02]: put more pressure on my outside ski, you know, back out in the conditions I've got, like just go to these places where the conditions and the forances that force it out of you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You probably better off trying to ski like your local legend than you are trying to ski like the guy that lives 3,000 miles away, they're idolizing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, like Ted skis like Ted because he's skiing here in Utah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and it's different for every region around, I mean, even older months, he's so much different, probably from the Swiss know that he grew up on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, so I was wondering, one other thing, did you do any more experiments at the end of last North American wind tax?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know you've done experiments with.
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[SPEAKER_02]: binding heal heal elevation toe elevation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So maybe actually can you quickly summarize I'll put a link in the description for people who go check out their video because I think it's a really interesting one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, what would you say now after reflection and maybe like testing some other people out on it, you've learned from changing toe and heal height
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[SPEAKER_00]: the more heel lift or the more ramped forward, I was, the easier I got to the tip of the ski.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I always thought it was backwards.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I always thought the more you gas pedal, the more lift you put on your toe, that when you push your shin in without that lift on your toe, that you were going to be able to leverage the tip more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it just wasn't the case, like what
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[SPEAKER_00]: If my knee started off closer to the tip of the ski, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the heel was lifted up and I got my knee closer to the tip of the ski.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As soon as I drove my knee, the tip just bit it up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it felt like the tip of the ski was coming at my knee.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh-huh.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I was just ripping the tip of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it was actually when I thought it was counterintuitive, I thought the more you raised the toe, the further forward you would get, the more you raised the heel and ramp forward.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It got your move forward.
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[SPEAKER_00]: right like like the more once I was fully here lifted as soon as I engaged that tip came up and I was just biting the tip of the ski no big deal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because I'm just visualized especially with, I think I would say it's important that makes a lot of sense.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's important to note you ski with quite a decent, like you can tip it over really well, like you are cranking the edge angles.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm thinking in my head back to even your turn shape drawing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If we take your ski and we put it out, like in the foreliner out of decent angle,
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then we actually, uh, we raised the heel more, um, it's almost like you could pull the tip of the ski, uh, further into the turn.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like it's almost like it's rotated in more.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, it was, it was ripping across the front of me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it felt like the ski was shooting across my body, like, unnaturally fast.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because I think it has more, it has effects in like several planes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because it's affecting you for an hour because you're playing with edging and it's over there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's actually pointing the ski like across your, like you say in the knee, across your line of travel, even sooner.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so then you went to the, the other end of your gas pedal lifted the toe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And basically what I found was that it just got a little bit better, a little bit better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then it didn't change much as as I'm changing two millimeters at a time and then I go to the point where it was like it was still better, but like I could feel that I didn't have the ability to then throw myself into the church like when I was really tow high, I couldn't then dictate where I wanted to go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: the ski would be up on edge and I could make the turn around, but I couldn't like add anything to it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So when I dropped my knee more to the inside, it couldn't get the tip to bite extra.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And now as the point was, I go, if I'm a racer, I'm going to go backwards one to find that spot where it doesn't feel like the tips ripping in front of me too hard.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I still have that ability to control and maneuver the skate.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that was the the only ski I could test that on was a race ski.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I only ski that ski either when I'm going to, you know, run town series or just for that one day when I'm messing around on a race ski.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I just want regular ramp angle that the skis come out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, and it's like the full tilts yeah, we're good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're 90% there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I thought it was interesting like watching the comparison because it had a great job of like trying to film on the same pitch conditions change though, which is kind of annoying.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Be great if you had the private run, you could do it on, but I thought you did a great job of trying to compare it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and it made me think like, good ski is, you can kind of mess up their setup quite a bit and they still ski pretty darn the same.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You can feel these differences, but it's quite subtle, isn't it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah, and I remember sitting reading a study about that where they, the worst ski you are.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You start mucking around with things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The bigger reaction it has on you, the better skit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You are like you can gas pedal people rampant.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You can move the binding foreign, foreign back and they just figure out what they want the ski to do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And they just change their technique to get the same reaction that they want.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I just made another one, I haven't released it, it'll come out soon, probably about the same time as this, for counting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Go on, one out with a boat, just factory boat, skita, and I actually want a very heavy can on my, on my World Cup race boots.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Best boot fit I ever did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a 1.5, maybe even a 1.75 on my left, and a 1.25 on my right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Which way is it it's tipping the boots outwards flipping the boots out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, and so In the way I wouldn't figure that out was just by going on skiing and putting the tape under yeah, and then so in this video I made or I'm working on I just go out and ski the boots factory and you can see that I've got to dip my outside knee severely into the hill to the point that it's painful
57:38.714 --> 57:43.120
[SPEAKER_00]: like it's putting stress on my knee to make a fully like extended turn.
57:43.761 --> 57:44.281
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
57:44.301 --> 57:45.944
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I can carve with no cantering.
57:46.985 --> 57:52.713
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I slowly just build it up, build it up until I go from a very A frame.
57:53.394 --> 57:53.714
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
57:54.075 --> 57:57.259
[SPEAKER_00]: Look, two as parallel shins is I want to get.
57:58.801 --> 58:00.443
[SPEAKER_00]: And like that's how I can't in myself.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so like to go through the process like that, like I can feel it, but I'm already making the good turn.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I like I start out with the ability to make a fully angelated, high-age angle turn and then can just go from that and then dial my can until I'm comfortable making that turn because it's painful to make it without the cans.
58:25.214 --> 58:27.898
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, not good for you, right?
58:27.918 --> 58:30.122
[SPEAKER_00]: No, you know, not at all and you can see it.
58:30.142 --> 58:35.890
[SPEAKER_00]: You can see how much like I'm, you know, exposing it with that pen.
58:36.005 --> 58:37.169
[SPEAKER_02]: same thing happened to me.
58:37.189 --> 58:44.897
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I actually had a new pair of the way I really discovered was I got a pair of three piece boots.
58:44.917 --> 58:47.787
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a Dalbello crypton, crypton pro.
58:48.138 --> 58:51.203
[SPEAKER_02]: and I thought I'd great, there's gonna be good, I really wanted to do moguls with it.
58:52.084 --> 59:09.471
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought a better ankle flexing, all the moguls skiers are using it, and it has no cuff alignment adjustment, and it's quite straight, and I got into it, and I did run at that run high noon, and my knees just felt like I was just Mr. A frame.
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[SPEAKER_02]: sold those booze straight away and then started experimenting realizing that, oh, if I check my alpine booze, the plug boots in the same way, same thing, got some coins, like our Australian 5-cent coin, 10-cent coin, dollar, like thicker thicker thicker, the different degrees until it, I suddenly realized that I'd been skiing for quite a few years, just a little bit handy caps, like my knees were working a little too hard.
59:34.692 --> 59:36.454
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I said, you still do it, but,
59:37.075 --> 59:39.178
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, great process to go through.
59:39.198 --> 59:47.068
[SPEAKER_02]: So in that video, I hope it encouraged some people to, I suppose it's up to them, risk is on them.
59:47.128 --> 59:48.329
[SPEAKER_02]: How do you approach that bit?
59:49.691 --> 59:57.681
[SPEAKER_00]: So when I was young, really young, I had my dad's buddy, Uncle Luger.
59:58.582 --> 59:59.564
[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't know about counting.
01:00:00.304 --> 01:00:06.272
[SPEAKER_00]: And so he plumbed by me, right when I first started racing, plumbed by me, cancer my boots, right from the soil,
01:00:07.703 --> 01:00:12.192
[SPEAKER_00]: Shave the soul of the boot, pull lifters on the boot, make me wear cat tracks, sent me out.
01:00:12.974 --> 01:00:17.002
[SPEAKER_00]: And so basically, from my whole ski race in career, I was just centered.
01:00:18.646 --> 01:00:20.189
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I needed cancer the whole time.
01:00:21.091 --> 01:00:25.400
[SPEAKER_02]: Ah, so you basically didn't really, you grew up, can't had a line right from the get.
01:00:25.420 --> 01:00:28.446
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, from probably eight years old, I was cancer the whole way.
01:00:28.831 --> 01:00:29.252
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
01:00:29.352 --> 01:00:30.153
[SPEAKER_02]: That's lucky.
01:00:30.493 --> 01:00:30.753
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:00:30.994 --> 01:00:31.615
[SPEAKER_00]: Super lucky.
01:00:32.095 --> 01:00:32.656
[SPEAKER_02]: So lucky.
01:00:32.676 --> 01:00:32.956
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:00:32.976 --> 01:00:33.257
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
01:00:34.378 --> 01:00:34.518
[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
01:00:34.538 --> 01:00:37.542
[SPEAKER_00]: And so like I'm a big I'm a big proponent of cancer.
01:00:37.562 --> 01:00:43.610
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that especially in it's very if you're not the perfect body.
01:00:44.091 --> 01:00:44.391
[SPEAKER_00]: Right?
01:00:44.451 --> 01:00:57.488
[SPEAKER_00]: Like there I don't know what podcast I was listening to but they were talking and there's this Austrian bootfitter who said that basically every national team athlete for all the European
01:00:58.025 --> 01:00:59.707
[SPEAKER_00]: because anatomically they're right.
01:00:59.847 --> 01:01:06.095
[SPEAKER_00]: And when you have all your best athletes going into pool to join the race club, you're going to get the ones that are aligned right.
01:01:06.115 --> 01:01:12.642
[SPEAKER_00]: You never needed to can't because the kid who needed a 1.75 on their left foot just didn't ski as good.
01:01:12.943 --> 01:01:13.804
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:01:14.064 --> 01:01:16.747
[SPEAKER_00]: Just wasn't as good and so like whatever, see you later.
01:01:17.448 --> 01:01:24.977
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you're just anyone else of, you know, if you're in America and you want to be a good ski racer, or even if you're a European and want to be a good ski racer,
01:01:25.868 --> 01:01:52.264
[SPEAKER_00]: right away to go in, get the plum bob, just center mass of the knee, put the dot, you know, you're, you're dangled the string and you have the plum bob go about half a centimeter to the inside of the seam on the toe of the boot, market, cut it in the boot, send them out to like a total beginner, right, and just get them, because that would be quote
01:01:52.396 --> 01:01:54.720
[SPEAKER_00]: food for accounting for most fooders.
01:01:54.780 --> 01:01:58.466
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not actually club bob to the dead center of the other boot, right?
01:01:58.506 --> 01:02:00.048
[SPEAKER_00]: About that half centimeter of the inside.
01:02:00.729 --> 01:02:03.974
[SPEAKER_00]: Set them up, cut it into the boot, go figure out skiing.
01:02:06.518 --> 01:02:07.440
[SPEAKER_02]: Have you checked your boys?
01:02:08.782 --> 01:02:10.304
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I probably should.
01:02:12.428 --> 01:02:15.653
[SPEAKER_02]: I know, Archie has his more his mother's leg shape, not mine.
01:02:15.673 --> 01:02:16.935
[SPEAKER_02]: I've got quite
01:02:17.050 --> 01:02:38.198
[SPEAKER_02]: like boat tibias and so I think that's part of the reason why I just don't, I don't get that contact with the inner part of the shell and so my knee keeps going until it finds it, but he's got much straight so I think he's actually fine even to the point he might need it the other way to help him get the knee in a little bit.
01:02:38.650 --> 01:02:42.135
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think I'm going to keep an eye on that as well.
01:02:42.576 --> 01:02:50.108
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, on kids, I'm actually making a video at the moment because Archie's about to turn eight and he had a really great ski season.
01:02:50.609 --> 01:02:53.333
[SPEAKER_02]: I would say, like, this is the season he's fallen in love with skiing.
01:02:53.373 --> 01:02:58.080
[SPEAKER_02]: That's kind of like, as me, it's like, I think God, you know, is obsessed with that.
01:02:58.962 --> 01:03:01.806
[SPEAKER_02]: Would you say there's anything your boys have kind of taught you?
01:03:02.815 --> 01:03:09.762
[SPEAKER_02]: like some lessons or anything that you're grateful for that you maybe overlooked or took for granted.
01:03:10.803 --> 01:03:14.807
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe it's with equipment, maybe it's with, you know, time and patience.
01:03:14.847 --> 01:03:15.848
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know anything there.
01:03:15.868 --> 01:03:19.032
[SPEAKER_00]: I was actually overly patient with brace.
01:03:19.452 --> 01:03:24.677
[SPEAKER_00]: So brace is eat, and we've been mostly skin with as a family, right?
01:03:24.758 --> 01:03:25.578
[SPEAKER_00]: Dylan sucks.
01:03:25.719 --> 01:03:26.499
[SPEAKER_00]: Definitely Dylan's.
01:03:27.040 --> 01:03:31.084
[SPEAKER_00]: I was really good about not overturning either boy from day one.
01:03:31.064 --> 01:03:32.346
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I've never been the dad.
01:03:32.366 --> 01:03:41.377
[SPEAKER_00]: We're like, oh, we're going to go ski diamonds and, you know, when other kids are like, we ski the double diamond here, I went to Jackson home, ski double diamonds there.
01:03:41.397 --> 01:03:48.086
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, I don't know, we're skiing like blues and stuff and like just I've, I've been really, really good about that.
01:03:49.428 --> 01:03:51.030
[SPEAKER_00]: But this last winter.
01:03:52.124 --> 01:03:54.147
[SPEAKER_00]: Bryce was like, I don't want to go ski some steep stuff.
01:03:55.009 --> 01:03:56.932
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we went and skied some of the steep stuff.
01:03:56.952 --> 01:04:02.622
[SPEAKER_00]: Went up to the top of Bald Mountain, a deer valley and skied Tycoon and skied wizard, and he was into it.
01:04:03.403 --> 01:04:05.206
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh, okay, I like you're ready for this.
01:04:05.266 --> 01:04:05.887
[SPEAKER_00]: Here we go.
01:04:05.907 --> 01:04:07.731
[SPEAKER_00]: And then like that guy hem jacked up.
01:04:08.332 --> 01:04:12.158
[SPEAKER_00]: And I realized that I had probably been going too slow with him.
01:04:12.357 --> 01:04:23.789
[SPEAKER_00]: And so like being the ultimate skew instructor dad and not overturning my kids, not making the mistakes that we see all the other parents making, I think I didn't let him go, I mean, I think it's gonna be fine.
01:04:23.809 --> 01:04:24.650
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not worried about him.
01:04:24.750 --> 01:04:27.753
[SPEAKER_00]: But like, he was more ready than I thought he was.
01:04:28.654 --> 01:04:34.561
[SPEAKER_00]: And like now this year, he's like, I want to ski the shoots and I want to go to Park City, I want to ski 99.90.
01:04:35.041 --> 01:04:36.283
[SPEAKER_00]: And now he's asking for those things.
01:04:36.343 --> 01:04:38.845
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, all right, well, I think you're ready.
01:04:38.885 --> 01:04:40.407
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think he's a great time to do it.
01:04:41.112 --> 01:04:50.884
[SPEAKER_00]: When I think he's going to be able to do it with good technique and ski it well and not just, you know, slide down it, like literally slide, slip down and then take credit for it.
01:04:51.144 --> 01:04:51.845
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I don't want that.
01:04:52.486 --> 01:04:52.786
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:04:53.087 --> 01:04:53.727
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, nice.
01:04:53.808 --> 01:04:54.448
[SPEAKER_02]: I like that one.
01:04:54.548 --> 01:04:56.110
[SPEAKER_02]: What about what about equipment?
01:04:56.170 --> 01:05:01.517
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I would say one of the things I'm mentioning in there in this video is
01:05:02.510 --> 01:05:09.909
[SPEAKER_02]: But again, a little bit like skin-structed data, I was like, you're going to be on a narrow, carvy type ski, you know, that's what you're learning on.
01:05:09.929 --> 01:05:11.834
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to, and we went to Japan with that.
01:05:11.915 --> 01:05:13.158
[SPEAKER_02]: We went to Canada with that.
01:05:13.900 --> 01:05:15.524
[SPEAKER_02]: And I've mentioned earlier about him.
01:05:15.705 --> 01:05:19.354
[SPEAKER_02]: We'd get a bit of snow, and then it just all fall apart.
01:05:19.334 --> 01:05:29.149
[SPEAKER_02]: until end of last season I was like we're going to go rent demo some little armada all man twin tip rocker 84 underfoot for for him.
01:05:29.971 --> 01:05:47.518
[SPEAKER_02]: He went out and had like the best fun ever and I was like oh there you go Tom Mr like should learn on proper skis and get the brother technique and then he's there go dad he's so fun why are they fun actually they're just so easy and we're at the
01:05:47.498 --> 01:05:51.249
[SPEAKER_02]: So I got him a pair and it's been so good.
01:05:51.449 --> 01:05:54.377
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, that was my thing.
01:05:54.397 --> 01:05:55.661
[SPEAKER_02]: And what about equipment for you?
01:05:55.701 --> 01:06:01.778
[SPEAKER_00]: We've actually gotten probably more carving experience on fat skis.
01:06:02.720 --> 01:06:17.724
[SPEAKER_00]: Like Bryce has a little pair of mantras that it's a great ski look at the shape you look at the the camera profile like they're really nice little skits a full wood core and he makes his biggest improvements on the mantras and carving because they're easy.
01:06:18.666 --> 01:06:25.437
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because it's easy it's flowy they can just go they can get the ski further away they can put more pressure into it.
01:06:26.632 --> 01:06:33.327
[SPEAKER_00]: And then in his little race nights, he's got his little vocal race tiger, Los Lomsky, and it looks good on it.
01:06:33.347 --> 01:06:34.109
[SPEAKER_00]: He's whipping on it.
01:06:34.509 --> 01:06:35.371
[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
01:06:35.391 --> 01:06:38.899
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, he can like fight in a course on it.
01:06:40.643 --> 01:06:43.830
[SPEAKER_00]: But he makes his big improvements on the Fatsky.
01:06:43.912 --> 01:06:48.118
[SPEAKER_02]: The fact, yeah, the one that sort of flexes, you can get the skater flex into the turn.
01:06:48.158 --> 01:06:55.369
[SPEAKER_02]: And I guess, again, you're lucky where you live, you get great snow, where that ski works really well, and that's it to snow.
01:06:55.389 --> 01:06:59.735
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that in general, I would still be on water skis wherever I was.
01:07:00.777 --> 01:07:07.607
[SPEAKER_00]: Even Australia, like in the spring kind of condition, that water ski, and I think it's,
01:07:10.152 --> 01:07:13.077
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a change of spin condition specifically.
01:07:13.839 --> 01:07:18.887
[SPEAKER_00]: You go from using your edges to control your turn, to using your bases to control the turn.
01:07:19.509 --> 01:07:20.851
[SPEAKER_00]: Talking about carving, right?
01:07:20.891 --> 01:07:26.561
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, if the ski dips in or sinks all the way into the snow, you're just right the platform of it.
01:07:27.643 --> 01:07:27.723
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
01:07:27.743 --> 01:07:32.211
[SPEAKER_00]: So now you're not just trying to hold on to that edge.
01:07:32.360 --> 01:07:40.654
[SPEAKER_00]: grip which is just like you know it's a point right like and now that the inside of your knee is controlling that one point that is your edge.
01:07:41.375 --> 01:07:54.137
[SPEAKER_00]: To now you can kind of settle your muscles into the middle of your leg and you're going down you're pushing through the middle of your foot because the middle of the ski is what you're balancing on because it's sunk down in the snow and you're actually riding the snow.
01:07:55.259 --> 01:07:56.241
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think like
01:07:57.672 --> 01:08:10.581
[SPEAKER_00]: getting the wider ski gives you a bigger platform underneath makes it easier and then you can just you it's less about gripping and holding on that edge and more about just standing on the ski and the flex of the ski and balancing on the whole thing.
01:08:12.244 --> 01:08:12.645
[SPEAKER_02]: Nice.
01:08:12.866 --> 01:08:16.153
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, totally great and I think I should
01:08:16.977 --> 01:08:18.379
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, I think it's been fine.
01:08:18.660 --> 01:08:28.434
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not a wrong ride decision, a bit like you and the terrain thing, but it was just an interesting, a really good thing to learn and I think everyone, you really should have a quiver.
01:08:29.176 --> 01:08:35.425
[SPEAKER_02]: It is absolutely, you really shouldn't get an all-mountain ski that does what you think is everything.
01:08:35.405 --> 01:08:36.528
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not building a quiver.
01:08:36.548 --> 01:08:39.375
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't have to start skiing with it, but build a quiver.
01:08:39.836 --> 01:08:40.398
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
01:08:40.478 --> 01:08:42.944
[SPEAKER_00]: And for kids too, this has been part of my philosophy.
01:08:42.984 --> 01:08:47.034
[SPEAKER_00]: From day one with kids, is even from jump.
01:08:47.134 --> 01:08:49.380
[SPEAKER_00]: I've had multiple skis that each kid skis.
01:08:50.322 --> 01:08:53.725
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not building, I'm not buying on the, we're lucky enough.
01:08:53.745 --> 01:08:55.747
[SPEAKER_00]: We got a really good ski grandpa, right?
01:08:55.767 --> 01:08:56.748
[SPEAKER_00]: Like my dad's all in.
01:08:57.048 --> 01:08:57.549
[SPEAKER_00]: It's awesome.
01:08:58.329 --> 01:08:58.430
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:08:58.450 --> 01:08:59.691
[SPEAKER_00]: But I go to ski swaps.
01:08:59.711 --> 01:09:01.012
[SPEAKER_00]: And I go to the Goodwill store.
01:09:01.532 --> 01:09:05.036
[SPEAKER_00]: And if I see, I'm on KSL, I'll tell him, local Craigslist that.
01:09:05.836 --> 01:09:10.721
[SPEAKER_00]: And if I see a ski that has like a good looking shape as the right length, I scoop it up.
01:09:11.502 --> 01:09:14.425
[SPEAKER_00]: So I got three pairs of skis that I paid 25 bucks for.
01:09:14.465 --> 01:09:16.907
[SPEAKER_00]: And I got one pair of skis that my dad bought that was new.
01:09:17.347 --> 01:09:19.249
[SPEAKER_00]: And we rotate through all of them.
01:09:19.229 --> 01:09:35.191
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, each kid has, has a powder ski and, and, and a, and a, for a brace is a race ski, but even Dylan had, you know, last year when he was six, it wasn't a powder ski, but it was this cool K-2 with an alien graphic.
01:09:35.612 --> 01:09:37.174
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like doing, you want to take a powder ski this today.
01:09:37.494 --> 01:09:40.799
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like y'all taking my powder ski, isn't that he had his head brace skis that he was psyched about.
01:09:41.400 --> 01:09:49.050
[SPEAKER_00]: And he'd, he'd go back and forth, but I always wanted the kids to get good at skiing,
01:09:49.148 --> 01:09:50.490
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
01:09:50.510 --> 01:09:58.905
[SPEAKER_00]: And so just by mixing it up under their feet or, you know, swapping skis take all the buzz skis put them on the younger brother and like, you know, they could be safe about it, right?
01:09:58.945 --> 01:10:01.409
[SPEAKER_00]: A two short of a ski can get a kid hurt.
01:10:03.252 --> 01:10:05.616
[SPEAKER_00]: I saw with Bryce where he was on two short of a ski.
01:10:05.636 --> 01:10:06.718
[SPEAKER_00]: He was going too fast.
01:10:07.139 --> 01:10:08.261
[SPEAKER_00]: The ski was wobbling.
01:10:08.281 --> 01:10:11.666
[SPEAKER_00]: The speed and it was like, dude, you're going to, that is not good.
01:10:11.827 --> 01:10:13.249
[SPEAKER_00]: So see you, you can,
01:10:13.820 --> 01:10:14.882
[SPEAKER_00]: You have to be smart, right?
01:10:14.942 --> 01:10:33.790
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, not saying you can just put the kids on anything, but like within good reason, very up to skis, the width, the length, to a certain extent, the shape, soft, stiff, race, plate, no plate, like moving it around, has developed the kids balance in a really great way.
01:10:34.090 --> 01:10:38.096
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that's something I would totally recommend something that I've done.
01:10:38.276 --> 01:10:40.840
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I don't have to coach when I do that.
01:10:42.507 --> 01:10:46.047
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't have to be the overbearing dad telling them to do things.
01:10:46.470 --> 01:10:49.648
[SPEAKER_00]: I can just throw in like, better how are those skis today.
01:10:49.713 --> 01:10:52.836
[SPEAKER_00]: Ah, that, that, that, these ones turn too fast.
01:10:53.277 --> 01:10:54.558
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay, that's interesting.
01:10:54.598 --> 01:10:57.040
[SPEAKER_00]: Look, look, you've learned about your feet and everything.
01:10:57.781 --> 01:11:00.604
[SPEAKER_00]: And I get this great video of Dylan when he was four years old.
01:11:01.385 --> 01:11:04.007
[SPEAKER_00]: And I just switched them to this new pair of skis.
01:11:04.508 --> 01:11:11.855
[SPEAKER_00]: And on day one, he's sitting down on the side of the hell and he's going, these skis turn wherever they want.
01:11:12.055 --> 01:11:13.897
[SPEAKER_00]: And he was so excited and so happy.
01:11:13.917 --> 01:11:17.020
[SPEAKER_00]: And then there you go, like, I don't do anything.
01:11:18.232 --> 01:11:19.077
[SPEAKER_02]: That's unreal.
01:11:19.098 --> 01:11:19.842
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I would agree.
01:11:20.647 --> 01:11:22.318
[SPEAKER_02]: I think kids' skis even.
01:11:23.041 --> 01:11:24.683
[SPEAKER_02]: more than like adult skis.
01:11:24.703 --> 01:11:29.389
[SPEAKER_02]: You can get them at a reasonable price on secondhand on marketplace.
01:11:30.631 --> 01:11:35.597
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, with all of Archie's, he's had one pair of like new skis.
01:11:36.238 --> 01:11:45.490
[SPEAKER_02]: The rest, like we picked up some great little Fisher race skis, a pair of head race skis that used this year and he tried both them that were a little different in the radius.
01:11:46.171 --> 01:11:50.837
[SPEAKER_02]: And the same sort of thing, it was it was called a
01:11:51.188 --> 01:11:58.775
[SPEAKER_02]: It must have been like a 13.9 radius, like more like a proper little GS for his size, versus his other fisher that was like 11.
01:11:58.795 --> 01:12:04.000
[SPEAKER_02]: And he was, he just said, you know, yeah, I can feel these ones just turn tied to the other one.
01:12:04.020 --> 01:12:09.626
[SPEAKER_02]: I liked in the course better, it allowed me to, you know, just, I could go faster and straight.
01:12:10.086 --> 01:12:10.787
[SPEAKER_02]: This is brilliant.
01:12:10.827 --> 01:12:21.077
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, like the affordances thing, like trying to not tell people things as much as get them in a situation where they discover themselves.
01:12:21.749 --> 01:12:24.513
[SPEAKER_02]: what's going on here that it falls me to do that.
01:12:25.214 --> 01:12:26.856
[SPEAKER_00]: It's, it's task space learning, right?
01:12:27.257 --> 01:12:27.517
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:12:28.118 --> 01:12:28.619
[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
01:12:28.939 --> 01:12:35.148
[SPEAKER_00]: Which I gotta tell you, like, when I first started hearing about the task space learning stuff, I was just like, scratching my eyes, like, I don't know what they're talking about.
01:12:35.949 --> 01:12:36.910
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't understand.
01:12:37.591 --> 01:12:43.579
[SPEAKER_00]: And it took a while, and then like, wait a minute, okay, I think I'm already doing a bunch of this already, so it's not that big of a change.
01:12:43.800 --> 01:12:44.040
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
01:12:44.320 --> 01:12:46.824
[SPEAKER_00]: But really, like, focusing on the outcomes.
01:12:47.585 --> 01:12:47.805
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
01:12:48.366 --> 01:12:49.748
[SPEAKER_00]: More than the inputs.
01:12:49.829 --> 01:12:50.209
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
01:12:50.450 --> 01:13:01.323
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, no, no, no, you don't need to, you know, level the shoulder at the top of the turn and and like, no, no, no, no, spray less snow at the bottom of your turn.
01:13:01.664 --> 01:13:02.024
[SPEAKER_00]: Go try.
01:13:02.084 --> 01:13:02.184
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:13:02.885 --> 01:13:03.086
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:13:04.147 --> 01:13:08.793
[SPEAKER_00]: You get a big picture idea and they figure out the right things for it.
01:13:09.514 --> 01:13:10.715
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:13:10.735 --> 01:13:13.218
[SPEAKER_02]: I've also realized too with that, because I think you're right.
01:13:13.278 --> 01:13:15.381
[SPEAKER_02]: I think most people are,
01:13:15.547 --> 01:13:17.992
[SPEAKER_02]: doing this task-based learning anyway.
01:13:18.052 --> 01:13:29.574
[SPEAKER_02]: Like you just said, the problem is that everyone wants to get in, we want to help people with answers, so we come in and we go, oh, I know why you didn't get the task right, it's because you don't deliver your shoulders.
01:13:30.115 --> 01:13:35.445
[SPEAKER_02]: You tell them, and then suddenly it's just a completely different learning environment.
01:13:35.425 --> 01:13:36.947
[SPEAKER_02]: when you hijack that.
01:13:36.987 --> 01:13:42.055
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just like Joe was seven times fifty seven and like rather than giving you time.
01:13:42.115 --> 01:13:51.249
[SPEAKER_02]: It's this, you know, telling you and then you start going, I just want Tom to go, yes, you got it right instead of you figuring it out, the problem.
01:13:51.770 --> 01:13:53.653
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think, yeah, for people listening,
01:13:54.325 --> 01:13:55.686
[SPEAKER_02]: You might go, oh, you're task based on me.
01:13:55.786 --> 01:13:56.447
[SPEAKER_02]: I do that.
01:13:56.647 --> 01:14:06.137
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, like you and I did, the real magic in it is stop F and talking to them and just keep them on task.
01:14:06.157 --> 01:14:07.538
[SPEAKER_02]: No, you still spray too much.
01:14:07.918 --> 01:14:08.959
[SPEAKER_02]: No, that's still too much spray.
01:14:08.999 --> 01:14:09.460
[SPEAKER_02]: I need less.
01:14:09.880 --> 01:14:10.401
[SPEAKER_02]: And even less.
01:14:10.421 --> 01:14:12.503
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, figure it out.
01:14:12.643 --> 01:14:15.325
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it doesn't matter if it takes the whole season.
01:14:16.387 --> 01:14:19.009
[SPEAKER_00]: That was the least amount of spree you've done.
01:14:19.089 --> 01:14:20.991
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think you tried different there?
01:14:21.325 --> 01:14:26.432
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then let them just explain something and just stick on that, like you nailed it.
01:14:26.452 --> 01:14:27.053
[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.
01:14:27.634 --> 01:14:27.874
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:14:28.255 --> 01:14:28.535
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:14:28.935 --> 01:14:45.017
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I've definitely found, I don't know, it's timing or whatever, but I'm glad I've found that with Archie because, and he's little buddies because it's really been enlightening for me to see how that works a lot better when it's done that way.
01:14:45.198 --> 01:14:50.505
[SPEAKER_02]: These little challenge tasks
01:14:50.772 --> 01:14:58.564
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember, so the point where it's like, don't teach technique, like, don't talk about technique.
01:14:58.644 --> 01:15:17.792
[SPEAKER_00]: We've spent so long talking about technique, and this is how you do it, but all's 90% of technique talks does put you in that box, do this, this, every single turn, and when
01:15:18.700 --> 01:15:19.261
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01:15:19.281 --> 01:15:20.423
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01:15:34.883 --> 01:15:37.365
[SPEAKER_02]: technique important or when should you worry about it?
01:15:38.166 --> 01:16:02.190
[SPEAKER_02]: I was trying to reconcile in my brain because there's times you know you get results by kind of teaching around that and I think because you get good you understand where everything leads to and actually this lady Marion who's right into she's a researcher and there's more to do with horses but she says say you've got a box that you have to jump over and the box is five inches off the ground.
01:16:02.221 --> 01:16:04.144
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, technique doesn't really matter.
01:16:04.184 --> 01:16:06.768
[SPEAKER_02]: Like Joe, you could do it on one foot.
01:16:07.048 --> 01:16:08.530
[SPEAKER_02]: I could do it and throw a spin in.
01:16:09.171 --> 01:16:10.774
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, you could do it with your eyes closed.
01:16:10.814 --> 01:16:12.516
[SPEAKER_02]: Like there's not really a technique.
01:16:12.997 --> 01:16:18.666
[SPEAKER_02]: But once we put that box up to like our eyebrow level, it's like get on top of that box.
01:16:19.447 --> 01:16:24.955
[SPEAKER_02]: The amount of solutions basically comes down because you and I are both human.
01:16:25.947 --> 01:16:32.987
[SPEAKER_02]: There's not many different solutions to it and so that's where I guess you discover this technique.
01:16:34.132 --> 01:16:44.006
[SPEAKER_02]: but I think in getting there, you don't teach that, you try and look for like what are the missing skills that leads you to be out of, you know, like, that's the difference.
01:16:44.406 --> 01:16:45.287
[SPEAKER_00]: You're right, you're right.
01:16:45.488 --> 01:16:53.839
[SPEAKER_00]: I just watched a video of a punter, NFL punter from his college days to his pro-days, and it was a motivational thing.
01:16:54.841 --> 01:16:57.304
[SPEAKER_00]: But in the beginning, he's just doing a kick through,
01:16:58.162 --> 01:16:58.944
[SPEAKER_00]: like we would do.
01:16:59.685 --> 01:17:08.483
[SPEAKER_00]: And then by the end, when he's an NFL pointer, when he finishes every kick, his toes pointed at it, his whole leg, the knee, everything is perfectly flat.
01:17:08.943 --> 01:17:15.276
[SPEAKER_00]: It's above his head, the toes pointed perfectly in the air, and it's just leg extension through the kick is just
01:17:16.572 --> 01:17:27.887
[SPEAKER_00]: 10x what it was when he was just kicking the ball 45 yards, but now to get it to the the 60 yards or whatever it is, his technique is now precise and sharp and amazing.
01:17:28.689 --> 01:17:28.949
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
01:17:29.069 --> 01:17:30.331
[SPEAKER_00]: And so like, yeah, I think you're right.
01:17:30.351 --> 01:17:34.797
[SPEAKER_00]: When you're getting towards the head of the spear, you just don't have any solutions.
01:17:34.877 --> 01:17:35.398
[SPEAKER_02]: Like you need to.
01:17:35.458 --> 01:17:40.525
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why, you know, there's not that big of a difference between all the world cup races on salt.
01:17:40.545 --> 01:17:43.889
[SPEAKER_02]: And there's subtle differences because they're different body shapes and what they've learned.
01:17:43.909 --> 01:17:45.111
[SPEAKER_02]: But rather, the top it's
01:17:45.648 --> 01:17:55.323
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just not, you can't come through and do it very different because it's just not going to work with the physiological body you've got on the snow and the equipment.
01:17:56.785 --> 01:18:02.293
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I've been trying to reconcile that as well because I was like heavy into like, don't tell anyone anything.
01:18:02.994 --> 01:18:12.128
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a task and environment and just go back and we'll all be happy and great and like, yeah, you know, you know, you know, you know, coffee and you go and do it.
01:18:12.108 --> 01:18:24.949
[SPEAKER_02]: But I'm starting to hear it like the technique part really helps, but I think back to that point you've just everyone just wants to be the one responsible for giving the information joy.
01:18:24.989 --> 01:18:27.112
[SPEAKER_02]: I told you how to do that turn.
01:18:27.132 --> 01:18:29.155
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't get in that way.
01:18:29.276 --> 01:18:36.968
[SPEAKER_02]: Just realize if you want, if you know that they're just level
01:18:37.623 --> 01:18:40.508
[SPEAKER_02]: and a way to constrain them, that they come up with it.
01:18:41.049 --> 01:18:52.908
[SPEAKER_02]: So you can kind of be guided by the technique, but then figure out the skill thing, like a bigger box, like a box that's made out of a different material to force some learning in there.
01:18:54.030 --> 01:18:59.479
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there's also that the Times 2 when a technique tip is gonna work right away.
01:19:00.893 --> 01:19:13.189
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, when someone just missing something that's that's truly fun to mention, but you're already out in the environment, you're trying to ski, you're trying to do whatever you're doing, right, you're not doing a drill.
01:19:14.010 --> 01:19:21.940
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right, if you, you're just, but you're seeing it that every turn their hand goes literally all the way above their head and you can be like, don't let him go above your head.
01:19:23.303 --> 01:19:29.751
[SPEAKER_00]: And like boom, right, right, like I don't think you're still going to pick the low hanging fruit, different.
01:19:29.771 --> 01:19:42.848
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, right, and there's still tons of moments like, you know, if somebody's struggling with an A for a real bad, and you're like, look down at their shins and you have them go side to side, and you're like, do you feel that when they're parallel?
01:19:43.528 --> 01:19:44.029
[SPEAKER_00]: Go try that.
01:19:45.251 --> 01:19:45.331
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
01:19:45.351 --> 01:19:52.720
[SPEAKER_00]: And they can look, right, right, like anything that you can just, if you, if you get,
01:19:53.172 --> 01:19:55.455
[SPEAKER_00]: what to do, and you can do it right away.
01:19:55.495 --> 01:19:57.137
[SPEAKER_00]: Then great, let's do that.
01:19:57.177 --> 01:20:04.205
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that was my big hang up early on when I was hearing about task big learning stuff.
01:20:04.225 --> 01:20:08.610
[SPEAKER_00]: As I was always thinking, but I just keep having success, just telling people the right thing.
01:20:09.210 --> 01:20:09.671
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
01:20:10.131 --> 01:20:10.892
[SPEAKER_00]: It keeps working.
01:20:11.833 --> 01:20:15.197
[SPEAKER_00]: However, it's not a big picture concept.
01:20:15.898 --> 01:20:16.118
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
01:20:16.799 --> 01:20:17.560
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
01:20:19.362 --> 01:20:21.326
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think he thinks it's coming.
01:20:21.807 --> 01:20:26.776
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, I think I was just thinking like, why does that sometimes work?
01:20:26.836 --> 01:20:28.880
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, just keep your shins more parallel.
01:20:28.980 --> 01:20:30.323
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, that's so much better.
01:20:31.325 --> 01:20:32.788
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, great, great tip.
01:20:32.928 --> 01:20:36.615
[SPEAKER_02]: And you've told them how to do it and they're getting the result.
01:20:37.176 --> 01:20:41.404
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's almost like this skill probably was at a point
01:20:41.840 --> 01:20:48.658
[SPEAKER_02]: like, where it's all pretty easy, you know, about, right, they're just this little refinement thing.
01:20:48.698 --> 01:20:54.533
[SPEAKER_02]: So within their, perhaps, I'm just talking off the top of my head here, but just think it like, why do those moments really work?
01:20:55.407 --> 01:20:56.468
[SPEAKER_02]: And then so that one hits.
01:20:56.869 --> 01:20:57.930
[SPEAKER_02]: Now you've just broken through.
01:20:57.950 --> 01:21:02.656
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, right, level three, like on carve, kind of like done, boom, you're in the next tier.
01:21:03.296 --> 01:21:11.286
[SPEAKER_02]: Now suddenly what shows up is these skills of like, you always pressure at this point of the turn and you don't ever vary it.
01:21:11.887 --> 01:21:14.129
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't tell you to like pressure later.
01:21:14.810 --> 01:21:21.418
[SPEAKER_02]: I need to give you like this task of how you learn to vary it and what situations happen.
01:21:21.458 --> 01:21:24.942
[SPEAKER_02]: So perhaps that's it.
01:21:24.922 --> 01:21:25.984
[SPEAKER_02]: you're already at the level.
01:21:26.024 --> 01:21:27.185
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just this little subtle thing.
01:21:27.205 --> 01:21:28.207
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:21:28.227 --> 01:21:38.022
[SPEAKER_02]: Once you break through and you're into big new aground, it becomes more a task is going to be far more important than the technique fix.
01:21:38.082 --> 01:21:39.083
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
01:21:39.784 --> 01:21:45.092
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe like trying to get someone to the next step via technique doesn't make sense.
01:21:45.152 --> 01:21:51.722
[SPEAKER_00]: Like if you go to the the easiest place example would be like the wedge
01:21:51.702 --> 01:22:00.735
[SPEAKER_00]: you could explain all day what parallels going to be like how to do it, you know, get come in, slide the tails of the skis and then we're going to like slide tails of the skis, like what are you talking about?
01:22:00.835 --> 01:22:11.230
[SPEAKER_00]: I have no, I, I really like this and I crunch my butt and I turn down the hill and I stand this wedge and I'm psyched and it's like,
01:22:11.733 --> 01:22:19.982
[SPEAKER_00]: So, so, you know, for the wedge crystal, you just, all right, now it's started, you know, bumper turning in or stepping the ski in, you're telling, just do this step thing.
01:22:20.302 --> 01:22:22.244
[SPEAKER_00]: You're not telling them parallel.
01:22:22.264 --> 01:22:23.365
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't even mention it.
01:22:23.626 --> 01:22:26.909
[SPEAKER_00]: You might, I mean, with an adult, you'd be like, well, the glitters were going for parallel.
01:22:26.949 --> 01:22:27.870
[SPEAKER_00]: See what those guys are doing?
01:22:27.890 --> 01:22:28.571
[SPEAKER_00]: That's parallel.
01:22:29.352 --> 01:22:40.103
[SPEAKER_00]: Now we're going to just kind of step you through in this environment with this like progression that makes sense, getting them the fuel
01:22:41.365 --> 01:22:43.529
[SPEAKER_00]: Technicum up to the parallel.
01:22:43.609 --> 01:22:44.490
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's right.
01:22:44.831 --> 01:22:46.774
[SPEAKER_00]: You've got to go through the steps.
01:22:46.794 --> 01:22:47.575
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
01:22:47.956 --> 01:22:56.590
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, I would say what I've learned because it's been a bit of a journey this whole ecological approach, task-based or constrained-based learning approach.
01:22:56.873 --> 01:22:59.879
[SPEAKER_02]: You hear it sounds all great because there's all this research behind it.
01:22:59.899 --> 01:23:01.522
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, it's fine.
01:23:01.642 --> 01:23:02.023
[SPEAKER_00]: It's fine.
01:23:02.103 --> 01:23:02.544
[SPEAKER_00]: It's fine.
01:23:02.564 --> 01:23:03.065
[SPEAKER_00]: It's fine.
01:23:03.546 --> 01:23:03.866
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:23:04.127 --> 01:23:04.367
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:23:04.487 --> 01:23:04.948
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
01:23:05.589 --> 01:23:07.934
[SPEAKER_02]: Outperforms telling you how to do something.
01:23:07.974 --> 01:23:08.715
[SPEAKER_02]: So like, I'm in.
01:23:08.936 --> 01:23:09.717
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to do this.
01:23:10.338 --> 01:23:17.532
[SPEAKER_02]: But I'd say in this two year kind of period, I think you just have to really embrace it and, and.
01:23:18.322 --> 01:23:27.315
[SPEAKER_02]: try these things out because it definitely takes some time to get art, full and skillful at delivering the information, setting up the environment.
01:23:28.657 --> 01:23:48.025
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, knowing when exactly like it's just just make your shins more parallel, roll your inside knee, and that's the thing you should use versus trying to be really creative and creative, some weird environment that
01:23:48.393 --> 01:23:49.235
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like throw it out.
01:23:49.315 --> 01:23:50.718
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, can we just achieve this?
01:23:50.818 --> 01:23:51.419
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's try it.
01:23:51.479 --> 01:23:51.980
[SPEAKER_00]: Here we go.
01:23:52.060 --> 01:23:53.503
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, pick your inside hand up.
01:23:54.024 --> 01:23:54.245
[SPEAKER_00]: Great.
01:23:54.305 --> 01:23:54.746
[SPEAKER_00]: You did it.
01:23:54.806 --> 01:23:55.226
[SPEAKER_00]: Wonderful.
01:23:55.287 --> 01:23:55.888
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:23:56.068 --> 01:23:56.529
[SPEAKER_00]: Moving on.
01:23:57.331 --> 01:24:06.328
[SPEAKER_00]: And then if they don't just abandon ship, go find a different trail, find the right kind of snow, find it like a traverse path.
01:24:06.368 --> 01:24:08.713
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, even just setting up the.
01:24:10.347 --> 01:24:14.477
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't do a lot of drills, but you know, just set get final spot where you can do a big traverse.
01:24:14.497 --> 01:24:15.279
[SPEAKER_00]: Get that one.
01:24:15.299 --> 01:24:17.224
[SPEAKER_00]: We're trying to get more pressure on your outside ski.
01:24:17.244 --> 01:24:18.467
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll stand on your outside skis.
01:24:18.487 --> 01:24:19.410
[SPEAKER_00]: You go across the hill.
01:24:19.911 --> 01:24:20.212
[SPEAKER_00]: Boom.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you feel that great?
01:24:21.154 --> 01:24:22.036
[SPEAKER_00]: Now we can move on.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and but but maybe maybe you know at the start of the last and you're seeing somebody who's still posted up on the inside ski and you're like hey try and get more pressure on the outside ski might work might not okay whatever let's move let's figure out how to do it the other way now yeah which is yeah nine descriptions of outside ski pressure yes yep yep yeah remember the one the last memorable example I can think of this season I had a group
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[SPEAKER_02]: And at the end of this day, I just realized they had no idea about really using their polls.
01:24:56.811 --> 01:24:59.556
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, poll planning, they're all so different.
01:25:00.057 --> 01:25:01.239
[SPEAKER_02]: Some weren't doing it at all.
01:25:02.280 --> 01:25:05.746
[SPEAKER_02]: And in the APSI, you're taught like the poll plan progression.
01:25:05.886 --> 01:25:08.932
[SPEAKER_02]: So in the back of my mind, I have this step-by-step thing.
01:25:08.952 --> 01:25:11.255
[SPEAKER_02]: I could teach, and this is how you do it.
01:25:11.276 --> 01:25:13.159
[SPEAKER_02]: And I said, I'm not going to do it that way.
01:25:13.279 --> 01:25:14.361
[SPEAKER_02]: How could I do it different?
01:25:14.381 --> 01:25:15.483
[SPEAKER_02]: So I said, do everyone hate.
01:25:15.743 --> 01:25:16.905
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to work on poll planning.
01:25:17.763 --> 01:25:26.916
[SPEAKER_02]: The first thing I want to do is you've got all going to give me a pulse and all I want you to tell me down this run is what you feel you're missing out on when I've taken them away.
01:25:27.397 --> 01:25:27.617
[SPEAKER_02]: Go.
01:25:28.458 --> 01:25:29.139
[SPEAKER_02]: So I went down.
01:25:29.260 --> 01:25:30.221
[SPEAKER_02]: What did you feel different?
01:25:30.241 --> 01:25:36.931
[SPEAKER_02]: And then some people were like, oh, you know, less stability, I sometimes use it to grab, give me a bit of balance on the inside.
01:25:36.991 --> 01:25:38.072
[SPEAKER_02]: I felt it's helped with timing.
01:25:38.893 --> 01:25:40.075
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I was like, but,
01:25:40.595 --> 01:25:45.042
[SPEAKER_02]: I also felt freedom, like without it, I felt more fluid and not blocky and does it.
01:25:45.162 --> 01:25:46.545
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like great.
01:25:46.565 --> 01:25:51.853
[SPEAKER_02]: And so they figured out like what things it gives you, what does it for you, what it does in, that's the stuff.
01:25:51.873 --> 01:25:56.781
[SPEAKER_02]: And then we just built this progression on that, like now try pole planning at this time.
01:25:56.761 --> 01:25:58.264
[SPEAKER_02]: Paul Plant really heavy.
01:25:58.625 --> 01:26:00.408
[SPEAKER_02]: Paul Plant super light.
01:26:00.869 --> 01:26:01.912
[SPEAKER_02]: Do it with your whole arm.
01:26:01.972 --> 01:26:03.234
[SPEAKER_02]: Do it with just your wrists.
01:26:03.615 --> 01:26:08.605
[SPEAKER_02]: And so it was through that rather than this is the correct Paul Plant technique.
01:26:08.966 --> 01:26:14.297
[SPEAKER_02]: Even though my mind, I knew where we kind of wanted to get to, it was through that.
01:26:14.378 --> 01:26:18.946
[SPEAKER_02]: process that was, it was really fun to do doing that.
01:26:19.026 --> 01:26:19.868
[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah.
01:26:19.988 --> 01:26:23.815
[SPEAKER_00]: And probably, yeah, more, it's actually fun for the people taking the lesson, too.
01:26:24.295 --> 01:26:24.776
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:26:24.796 --> 01:26:32.871
[SPEAKER_00]: And not a drill, progression, ski down, stop, critique, stop, critique, like am I doing it right, Tom?
01:26:33.291 --> 01:26:38.260
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, like, well, I could, I could have had 300 people.
01:26:38.240 --> 01:26:47.030
[SPEAKER_02]: As long as they could have heard me, I could have told them all the same thing at the top, and I'll meet you in five minutes down here and you know, and then you can have a thing about it, and then here's your next thing.
01:26:47.471 --> 01:26:54.298
[SPEAKER_02]: You can't, I'm most Sasha Rerex, I said, why did you go down the road of ecological learning and constrace-based learning?
01:26:54.358 --> 01:27:04.450
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, because I wasn't just working one-on-one, I was back with juniors again, and I had to have this framework that would work with all the coaches and with large groups.
01:27:04.430 --> 01:27:06.613
[SPEAKER_02]: And I didn't have time to be given feedback all the time.
01:27:06.633 --> 01:27:09.558
[SPEAKER_02]: I had the task had to be given the feedback.
01:27:09.598 --> 01:27:11.440
[SPEAKER_02]: So I thought that was a great answer.
01:27:11.460 --> 01:27:12.682
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, that's awesome.
01:27:12.722 --> 01:27:22.797
[SPEAKER_02]: If you can do 300 people versus needing to be with that one person and this discussion and, oh yeah, and telling them this and I'm doing it right time, oh yeah, change that.
01:27:23.278 --> 01:27:25.181
[SPEAKER_02]: That's just not very effective.
01:27:26.583 --> 01:27:32.091
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, on the, on the poor plant thing, do you know the difference between a GS poor plant and a slow on poor plant?
01:27:32.459 --> 01:27:32.820
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
01:27:33.602 --> 01:27:37.093
[SPEAKER_00]: So, in a slow and poor plant, it's act the completion of the turn.
01:27:38.357 --> 01:27:38.718
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
01:27:39.580 --> 01:27:41.747
[SPEAKER_00]: And the GSP will plant leads you into the turn.
01:27:42.990 --> 01:27:43.532
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
01:27:44.035 --> 01:27:46.499
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you were to draw a song to a G.S.
01:27:46.519 --> 01:27:49.543
[SPEAKER_00]: turn and just expand the song turns to the size of the G.S.
01:27:49.563 --> 01:28:01.121
[SPEAKER_00]: turns, the pull plant would be on the song turn at your completion point where you finish the turn and before the rate transition and a G.S.
01:28:01.942 --> 01:28:06.369
[SPEAKER_00]: pull plant is going to be on your way into the turn.
01:28:06.669 --> 01:28:12.658
[SPEAKER_00]: And who said that that's that?
01:28:12.757 --> 01:28:35.288
[SPEAKER_00]: 14 15 and he said it and right away we all just like started doing it was like okay He's right and then every video I've ever watched or every time I when I do the two turns It's there and people do it subconsciously like like be like that technique like Optioned it's like because of what you're trying to do with the two different turns
01:28:35.572 --> 01:28:38.779
[SPEAKER_02]: you're kind of forced into this technique works better.
01:28:39.060 --> 01:28:40.623
[SPEAKER_02]: So, yep, better you get.
01:28:40.703 --> 01:28:42.407
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what is the better solution.
01:28:43.830 --> 01:28:44.331
[SPEAKER_02]: Interesting.
01:28:44.692 --> 01:28:47.518
[SPEAKER_00]: So you can watch, you can watch a world cup and you can still see it today.
01:28:47.598 --> 01:28:50.685
[SPEAKER_00]: Even though, like, we're poor plantings become a less of a thing.
01:28:50.725 --> 01:28:53.631
[SPEAKER_00]: It's still, there's still that difference there.
01:28:54.235 --> 01:29:01.022
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's an interesting one, the most people aren't aware of it, but it's there and you're probably already doing it subconsciously.
01:29:02.584 --> 01:29:02.664
[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
01:29:02.684 --> 01:29:11.854
[SPEAKER_02]: And you're seeing that you said like even if you're not taught it, it ends up coming out in technique at that top point, right?
01:29:12.454 --> 01:29:17.700
[SPEAKER_02]: So I guess the constraints of the course and the equipment you're on, that's the best solution.
01:29:18.380 --> 01:29:18.621
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:29:19.101 --> 01:29:19.922
[SPEAKER_02]: Is the time it then?
01:29:20.459 --> 01:29:22.422
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to hold you too much longer.
01:29:22.442 --> 01:29:24.486
[SPEAKER_02]: I know it's getting late over there.
01:29:25.347 --> 01:29:26.810
[SPEAKER_02]: Really appreciate it catching up.
01:29:27.110 --> 01:29:34.362
[SPEAKER_02]: We would sort of wanted to this because of the similar chair if the chats were having when you visited me in Threadbow.
01:29:34.382 --> 01:29:36.987
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, love chatting, skiing with you.
01:29:37.127 --> 01:29:44.239
[SPEAKER_02]: Any final things you want to mention, you can shout out to some new videos or projects you're working on this winter.
01:29:45.434 --> 01:29:47.456
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, no, well, thank you for having me again.
01:29:47.496 --> 01:29:48.658
[SPEAKER_00]: I really appreciate it.
01:29:48.678 --> 01:29:54.945
[SPEAKER_00]: It was like so fun getting to ski in Australia with you like getting to just whip around, go fast.
01:29:54.985 --> 01:29:56.347
[SPEAKER_00]: We like ski in the same terrain.
01:29:56.768 --> 01:29:59.611
[SPEAKER_00]: We had that we have a very similar vision of the mountain.
01:30:00.192 --> 01:30:01.053
[SPEAKER_00]: So super easy.
01:30:01.093 --> 01:30:04.337
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, oh, no, we're going here because this is the best carving pitch perfect.
01:30:04.377 --> 01:30:04.917
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's do it.
01:30:05.358 --> 01:30:09.703
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like awesome to get to ski with somebody who's on the same mindset like that.
01:30:09.683 --> 01:30:13.648
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, my world, I am getting going, making new videos.
01:30:13.868 --> 01:30:16.691
[SPEAKER_00]: I have t-shirts now, ski dad dot shop.
01:30:17.172 --> 01:30:21.177
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01:30:21.217 --> 01:30:25.762
[SPEAKER_00]: And um, just look forward to more videos coming in the future.
01:30:25.782 --> 01:30:28.465
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, we got the counting one coming soon.
01:30:28.485 --> 01:30:30.848
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I've got my, my, my,
01:30:31.790 --> 01:30:50.018
[SPEAKER_00]: kind of recap kind of analysis of the Phil Smith interview that you did, which to me still is one of the most mind-blowing episodes I've ever heard and really like I was so psyched to finally hear somebody with a philosophy.
01:30:50.588 --> 01:30:56.535
[SPEAKER_00]: a real philosophy, a simple approach to skiing that like I'm psyched to take with me, but like thank you for finding film.
01:30:56.816 --> 01:30:58.238
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for putting that out.
01:30:58.258 --> 01:31:00.400
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, looking for a good winter.
01:31:01.081 --> 01:31:05.086
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think people do you want to say, do you know, people don't realize you can ski with Joe?
01:31:06.328 --> 01:31:07.890
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, I'm a full time skin structure.
01:31:07.930 --> 01:31:08.510
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you have values?
01:31:09.031 --> 01:31:11.694
[SPEAKER_00]: Eat mail me a done 83 at gmail.com.
01:31:11.734 --> 01:31:14.057
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you nn83gmail.com?
01:31:14.318 --> 01:31:15.960
[SPEAKER_00]: If I've got available dates, come on out.
01:31:16.580 --> 01:31:17.862
[SPEAKER_00]: We can ski to go for sure.
01:31:18.044 --> 01:31:20.206
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I don't think people realize that.
01:31:20.587 --> 01:31:22.428
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you, uh, yeah, it's great.
01:31:22.529 --> 01:31:34.200
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, when I'm a teacher at dinner valley, I do a lot more of the holiday booking, having fun, and like when I show up to it to a lesson, I have zero need to teach.
01:31:35.562 --> 01:31:36.883
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm there to have fun, right?
01:31:36.963 --> 01:31:38.765
[SPEAKER_00]: Like whatever, whatever's going to make your day awesome.
01:31:39.045 --> 01:31:43.950
[SPEAKER_00]: If you want to soon at your life and geek out and talk technique all day, I'm in.
01:31:44.437 --> 01:31:57.670
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you just want to go all like bang around and find all the best powder, find the best snow and the best lines, twirling in, if you want to just go eat lunch at the state area of the lodge, I'm in there too.
01:31:58.763 --> 01:31:59.324
[SPEAKER_02]: Awesome.
01:31:59.865 --> 01:32:00.466
[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks, Joe.
01:32:00.987 --> 01:32:07.136
[SPEAKER_02]: I hope it's getting cold over there soon and I look forward to getting some terms in with you again in the future.
01:32:07.617 --> 01:32:08.458
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I will see you in Utah.
01:32:08.979 --> 01:32:11.724
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