“You Can’t Out-Ski a Weak Body” — Kelly Starrett on Real Ski Readiness

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone can go skiing one day, but how are you on day two or three or four?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, people start to fall off, uh, bro, I need to have to off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, you know, I'm like, pro, we're in Japan.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, we're, you know, it's day four of the helicopter ski trip and, like, you're tired today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Did you eat breakfast?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, show me what you ate for lunch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it cannot include a monster energy in a beer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Today's episode of The Beeper just skiing podcast is a really special one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm joined by Dr. Kelly Starrette.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, Kelly has spent decades helping people to move better, recover faster and stay mobile for life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, if you've been following me for a while, you know I'm big on mobility and getting your body prepped and ready.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not just about strength, it's about being able to spend long days on the hill in variable conditions, recover fast, so you can do the sport that you love for longer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In this chat, Kelly and I discuss what it really means to prepare your body for skiing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not just a few stretches in the morning, but an ongoing practice of movement, recovery and awareness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: To use this great analogy, as imagine you approach getting ready for skiing, like you approach you are going into a fight or a boxing match.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you'd be far more prepared earlier, you'd eat well, sleep well, and you'd respect what your body is about to go through.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I love this perspective, because think about it, you go at high speeds, and you have these long-levers strap to your feet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There are high forces that go on when we go out and we go skiing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you want to ski better and ski for longer, then this conversation is a great reminder of why you need to put body prep and mobility at the top of your list of things to do, especially even now before ski season really kicks off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think you'll really enjoy Kelly's practical approach to how to move well, recover well, and be more prepared for a day on the slopes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's get stuck into this conversation with Kelly Stare.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey Kelly, so the first time I discovered you a friend Riley was talking about this book becoming a supple leopard and we were both sort of in the gym quite a lot skiing hard back to back seasons and we were reading this thing and I found it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I went, I've got a trial list stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is probably what I'm missing out on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So how did you get into being this
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[SPEAKER_01]: because stretching is so cool because everyone wants to talk about stretching.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Look, you fell victim to the leopard virus.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's really what it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's interesting because you really are the kind of case study for why this kind of conversation took off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that
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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of us were engaged in very high level sport.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I grew up racing FIS.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I paddle on the US commune kayak team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My wife, as a, you know, was a roar at Berkeley.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's a two-time world champion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like we met at the world championships, always about performance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And at the time,
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[SPEAKER_01]: No conversation was about looking at position and our lack of position or restoration position as a limiting factor to our performance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was just do more work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you get stronger, yeah, it gets stronger.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you, you know, we tell people like, obviously I'll work the competition, which is just, you know, ballics now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And what we saw was,
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[SPEAKER_01]: athletes were looking for a way to take care of themselves.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't involve waiting around to something that was catastrophically on fire before they were like, hey, let me activate this emergency medical system.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then simultaneously, you know, that you'd go see a physio and she didn't ski, she didn't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She wasn't training with you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She didn't understand your lifestyle, how you ate, what your injury history, really, there's so much context and the place to really discover that would just get, we found out was the gym where we had a live running diagnostic test all the time going with the athletes who are working with is that your movement changed to the course of this season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You got beat up after epic days, how do we recover those positions?
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[SPEAKER_01]: How do we begin to explore
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[SPEAKER_01]: And really, the dangerous idea here was that we said, hey, it's your responsibility to take care of your body's positions and to make sure that you're, you've as much movement choice as you can and it's interesting to see if we just take, for example,
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, how typically people prepare for skiing, you know, like you pull the skis out of the trunk, you're like, oh, it's hard to put your boots on because you're so stiff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you're like, well, no, I won't make any hard turns on the first run.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I hope that, you know, the rest of it comes together.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And man, I tell you, there was just a lot of slack to be taken out of the system in terms of enhancing recovery, restoring position.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And ultimately, what we found is that when we used
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[SPEAKER_01]: We could return and restore people to having a lot more power and native ranges, which meant you could get into the shapes and techniques that everyone was trying to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's not an accent that we start slurving.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, slurving for me is like, oh yeah, you want to see what happened to people's range of motion that we just let them slurve around and of course develop technique.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But you know what I'm saying is that you can only starve and you can't rail and you can't put you up in the snow and and you you can't hook up then what we started to see is the techniques change and we see the same thing gravel bikes and everything else is that you know what we're trying to do is end up making the machines fit the body and no one was thinking about making the body fit the machine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think I want to emphasize you keep using the word like shapes and positions because I think that was what probably really grabbed us as skiers because as you get better you do you're instructing levels you start honing your eye to these angles where the body is at different points in the turn and it's not all in the same spot that it's twisting it's tilting it's winding up it's unwinding right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I think we went, oh, here's like an approach we can take off snow to help fix that stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I would say that like that is a key point that I was like, I need to get into this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because no one was telling you about that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you do your levels, what you do a lesson, the instructor, I mean, it's a bit different today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: People know more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But,
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[SPEAKER_00]: like the instructor wouldn't go your hits a tight, they just go your rotating, you're skating, stop skid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Doing that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're like, well, if I'm supposed to associate my brother by for my lower body, you don't have any interrotation of the hip, what are we talking about?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and I mean, how many times, again, I grew up in Southern Germany, our school got out at noon on Wednesday, we ski, that's my favorite sport.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's no other sport where you can hook up the G forces that you can find on ski.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, what we started to see was, you know, early on, you know, so imagine me going to the Andre Arnold, you know, he was a World Cup champion ski racing camp in Austria and sold it on like 12 and, you know, having an unbuckled my boots and be aware of foot pressure, you know, and we're diagramming, you know, foot pressure in the turn and it's very technical conversations and those were my first.
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[SPEAKER_01]: sort of on-trays into the technicality of sport and how we were thinking about, you know, very complex feelings as it related to being able to make a turn or do something and, you know, though that interoception of being able to an athlete feel what she's supposed to feel, where is my weight supposed to be?
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[SPEAKER_01]: is so important to understand this because if you can't access that position, you can't even feel what we're talking about and no one's looking at it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Basically, we take this body and we're like, well, I hope you like purple skis because that's what we've got y'all, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's so many complex interchanges between boot
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[SPEAKER_01]: and ski, and snow, and speed, and body.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's really a miracle when you, even today, when I see someone hooking up and railing turns, if I, you know, if I, I watch them like obsessively and when I get to the line I'm like, man, nice turns, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And like, you really, it's so unusual to see someone put all those pieces together and my Instagram feed is just,
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, Austrians in one piece ski suits, you know, railing, you know, and it's really just it's it's no fun to see how the ski technology and boot technology, but I'm in a plug boot again after racing for a billion years and I'm like, back in a plug boot that's warm and it like has fur and a capuccino machine, I don't need to unbuckle like what's happened in the world.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the ski equipment is so good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And now we're fitter and stronger and ever, but we need to make sure we're keeping it out on minimums and being able to look at rotation of the hip or every time I go in to get fit for boots and someone's like, they're like, man, your ankles are amazing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, really?
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[SPEAKER_01]: My ankles are normal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I just have normal ankles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're not amazing ankles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, go hang out with a boot fitter and you can see what I'm talking about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that boot fitter is like, oh my God, these feet that you're showing up with,
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[SPEAKER_01]: like they're weak, they're shut down, they're collapse, they're your bunions, you have these gross things and we're trying to make this high-performance experience on a bootfitters or the closest things we have to magicians today to try to get people to feel what's happening with their body.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a remarkable time and place.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And where should we begin to untangle that in the formal movement language of the gym?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You mentioned fetal out there and I think that is that that is a really important one and I got two things I was I've been meeting to ask you one the second time I Got into like a discussion about oh, there's this guy Kelly and if you read the book becoming a supple leopard was when I went and studied structural integration role thing this guy Colin and I were chatting and
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[SPEAKER_00]: He mentioned that you, perhaps, were you, were you wronged?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Did you go see someone that did that stuff?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, how did you get into the facial stuff?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because this was back in, like, 2013, I want to say.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And fascia was kind of not really, you know, ever now everyone was like, fascia fascia fascia.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or that, even that period's kind of past.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But how did you find about, like, fascia and were you involved in structural integration at all?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So my wife is in the background and she just laughed out loud because my girlfriend and college was a rougher.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Raj waited.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then lo and book, I spent a lot of time at the Roth Institute in Boulder, went through some 10 series, and read, and then read, I'd a Ralph's book.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And to your point, when we started thinking about the movement system, I was like, of course, like a course or time of fashion, you know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And at the time, in the late 1900s, which is when this was happening, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: When I was discovering Fasher for the first time,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, uh, no one was looking at something and it should be seriously.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No one was thinking about joint mechanics.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So fashion was this really interesting piece where we could we could see that we could put a lot of information into the body.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We could think about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: how patterns worked and the body has a chirality.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It has a spin.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's really important to understand how to create rotation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's important to understand that there are positions that allow us to be more stable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When you are cranking a big turn, your knee is more stable when
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[SPEAKER_01]: there's an external rotation force in the leg and knee becomes less stable when there's an internal rotation force on the leg.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you're cranking, like say that you're making a really hard turn to the left,
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[SPEAKER_01]: that downhill ski, that knee is becoming more stable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then that inhale ski, that leg is actually unwinding to allow it to have that position.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And understanding that is a miracle of skiing, but also simultaneously, you know, you almost understand why the Austrians are like, no, lift the foot up into the STEM Christie, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And because they were like, you know, we didn't know, like, how, how do I express that much rotation in the hip?
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[SPEAKER_01]: How do I make sure that my body can end up in some of these positions and shapes?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you're not thinking about the body as a system of systems, what did you drink and eat before you went skiing?
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[SPEAKER_01]: How stoked and warm and hot were you before you put your stuff on?
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[SPEAKER_01]: How did you sleep last night?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you thought I was going to talk about your body?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, then we can talk about, do you have the skills and the appropriate perception and the available range of motion to be able to do these things?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's a reason that everyone immediately in the line grabs our ski poles and folds forward, you know, on the skis, it tried to take some of the extension load out of the pelvis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a reason why we see so much lumbar disease in our skiers, you know, cranking that pelvis over to solve that movement problem of having the knees candid forward in the boots, puts the, you know, and especially if you're particularly short in the front of the hip anyway, which most people are, we're going to see just, you know, at the end of the day, you're back
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So then you, so you had a role for like you, so you must have had a lot of sessions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Can you help the listener understand like the changes?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I think what was, for me, especially was my body can change.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was like a, that was a mind-blowing thing to me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I did role-fing and then also after like discovering some of the mobility stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: which now made a lot more sense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like this feels like the similar kind of instant, almost changes you get from wrong thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But can you explain like was there a moment you were like, you maybe you had session four and you're like, holy cow, my legs go up to my ears and after the sides was there a story that stands out in like after a session.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I remember having a session and walking and feeling like my butt went up to my neck.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I was like, oh my glutes work really well right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that the key to understanding all this is that you are going to have to appreciate the system.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of times, if you thought about, you know, when we think about fashion or connect to the body in relation to movement, it's easier to think, hey, we should be layers of warm silk sliding over steel springs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's how our body is intended
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[SPEAKER_01]: tissues are supposed to slide and glide and there's a ton of dynamic movement that happens within this system.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And oftentimes, for example, we don't roll the quads like up and down along the trying to find the pination or, you know, like the rectus morons, we don't roll up another x morons.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We go side to side, because we're really interested in is how are these tissues interacting in the global system in the neighborhood?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I have a house, a quadricep head, and
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[SPEAKER_01]: How's it relating to the rest of the quadricepets?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the rest of my house.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And my parking lot or my garage.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then now how's that interaction with my street?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And how's that interactive my town?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And how do those things come into the system?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oftentimes we see that through poor hydration and poor movements and old injury and trauma, the body sort of gets sticky.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's not the only way that we can lose a function.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But if those networks aren't sliding and gliding, and I'll give you an example, because it doesn't have to be just trauma and like you're a smoker, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there's a reason why people go to Japan and sit in the onsen affords, and they feel great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you're getting blood flow, those tissues are sliding and gliding again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're just like your skin is better and better.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you eat a bunch of fish and rice, and you don't go out, and there's a whole bunch of things that go along with that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But,
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[SPEAKER_01]: In a part of what we're seeing here is if you train really hard, the first thing that your body does is actually lay down a bigger connective tissue framework.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So your body says, okay, we're going to need bigger quads here, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You've you've you've set the signal that your quads are insufficient for the job and now they're going to grow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what exercise is really about, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: If we look at ultimately even a day of skiing, it's about adaptation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then my body is adapting to this, to this sport or this activity in somewhere there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And oftentimes that connected tissue system is the first system that gets laid down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the musculature framework gets bigger.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The connected tissue system container gets bigger.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you don't keep an eye on that, it's easy to get stiff fast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And those tissues can suddenly not sliding glide very well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they can become congested or just stiff because, you know, you did a ton of squats and then a ton of moguls and then you sat around, you know, playing on the Xbox.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so what we discovered was when we started thinking, look, if fashion therapy had solved all the problems and it solves a lot of problems, we would have just focused on fashion therapy the rest of our lives.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If seen a Cairo had solved all the problems,
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[SPEAKER_01]: that was although problems.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm an Australian trained manual therapist.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a mate-lin-trained therapist.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're heavy joint first, but we really do think in terms of systems approaches.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so if I can restore your sliding surfaces, that might unlock a lot of movement.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If I go after your joint capsule, that might unlock a lot of movement.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If I look at how the muscles interacting and then the movement control for that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then of course I need to see the human being underneath all that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And really for me, the framework that is, is why, so crucial that someone engages in a strengthening program, because that's a such a beautiful framework to begin to understand fueling and hydration.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I see people ski for six, seven hours and not drink anything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like that's insane.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you mean the number one, like you want to increase your likelihood of booting out and crashing, just be dehydrated or hyperhydrated on this slope.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So,
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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't apply the lessons of sport to some of our fun activities very much, and we can do a lot better.
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[SPEAKER_01]: For example, I mean like when you get off the slope, throw on some compression socks, bro.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then cruise around the house, just you don't have shin bang, your shins are swollen, and you haven't decompressed in your shins, and so you put your feet in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're just highly, highly sensitized because they're so swollen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So let's just limit that swelling.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's called compression socks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think you, you bring up a really good point here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, skiing, there's not many other sports where you might be up at like 730 on the lifted 830 going hard and then the day ends at maybe four.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you don't play football for that long.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Unless you don't, unless you're a six year old.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, and you can certainly, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: chill.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can make really crappy turns and slurred out, but that's not the way I like to ski.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I ski like we're going to get in the fight every run and I'm like, you know, like, you know, I just really the people who are skiing and sending and going full gas.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We should be treating that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, are you eating 50 grams of carbohydrate an hour?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, did you eat breakfast?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, like show me what you ate for lunch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it cannot include a monster energy in a beer You know, and so there's a lot we can do to actually improve how we can ski after then and this is really crucial
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, people are getting a message.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're starting to train more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone can go ski one day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But how are you on day two or three or four?
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[SPEAKER_01]: People start to fall off, bro, I need to have to off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to, you know, I'm like, pro, we're in Japan.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, we're, you know, it's day four of the helicopter ski trip and like you're tired today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why are you tired?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's a accumulation of a lot of events.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And ultimately, you're not able to access your positions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're not able to access the force production capabilities.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we are getting smarter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're starting to see performance seep in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you can see why
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, again, I'm opening a can of worms here, but like the reaction of free skiing to like the hardcore slalomists, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Slalom was our way and people were like, boy, we've sucked all the joy and fun out of skiing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So let's do this free ride thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But we can still take those lessons out of high performance Olympic level skiing and say, hey, you know, let's get every, you know, every hour, let's eat a bar on the lift.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can do that, like just make sure you're some water.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And when you start to lose your technique,
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's time to go in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I really am, like, we are a strong believer in the half day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, really, go blow yourself out hard and you need to get up, as soon as we get up early, I stretch and I warm and now the best athletes are doing yoga before they go on the hill and I'll get on the bike and I'll be prepped and I'll jump rope and so by the time I strap in the boots, I'm actually warm like I'm actually going to go do a sport and I'm treating skiing like a sport.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just realize that you may, you remind me of a very good point when I was asking about the facial system that the layers and the sliding, the layers of silk over steel springs, because I think a lot of people listening probably don't have that concept of their body.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So like if you look at the layers on those 3D iPad anatomy apps,
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[SPEAKER_00]: you can start seeing that like there's there's muscles running at a 45 and then there's a muscle over the top that runs at a 45 the other way and if one is trying to do the job of pulling in one direction another guy's got a almost opposite direction job there's going to be problems there if they don't know how to like slide and let that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that happened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think when I did the structural integration training does a huge piece for me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think I want to emphasize that for the listener and maybe if you want to go back and give an example there, even because I've seen knee pain just go in half an hour because of improving that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't that was good for the meat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yeah, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we have a saying around here, we say where the rats get in is not where they chew it, and actually maybe an eye to chew, eye to rough is where you think it is, it ain't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, you know, first of all, you know, one of the drivers of what people might become interested in their bodies in skiing is yes, they can't engage in a technique.
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[SPEAKER_01]: two, they're getting their ass kicked, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or three, start to hurt, like skiing hurts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And one of bummer, because it didn't hurt.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you used to be 17, and you could do whatever you wanted, you know, we would eat gooey bears in Donf, Knool, and then just go and go and go and go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe maybe we had goo lush at the lunch, maybe not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we drank in the morning, and then didn't drink like camels until we got home, you know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: age 12 or 13, do whatever you want with your body.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the pain piece is really interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So one of the concepts that we are big fans of is throwing in these really short isometric forms.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So when we have a pain problem, we try to run through a little rubric that helps people to sort this out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Number one, let's remember that pain is a request for change.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, the reason your body is experiencing pain is your brain has become sensitized or is interpreting a signal from the body.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, your brain doesn't actually, you don't make pain, your brain interprets this information from your body as pain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's really crucial.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, in something that doesn't hurt, you can actually use it as a check engine like, ah, it can become curious about that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And one of the things that my wife and I've been doing for the last 20 years is start to say, hey, let's create some movement minimums.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, okay, I know what you should be able to do as a squat, but if that's too complicated, lay down as a skier, have your mate bring your heel to your butt.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if your heel doesn't just effortlessly touch your butt, I know that that system is restricted, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, these are all easy tests to pass.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But one of the things that we can see is, hey, if I have a movement restriction, my body's going to solve that problem, or interpret the results of that inability to access this normal range of motion, this normative range of motion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it might interpret it as, hey, that insertion of that quadriceps on your knee is a little bit sore.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or hey, you got a little pain here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And to your point, oftentimes when we're like, OK,
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[SPEAKER_01]: strip all that away.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What is the tissue system right above the pain area?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's the tissue system right below the pain area?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's spend five minutes doing these short isometric contractions there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, if you have a knee pain and you lay on a roller, just a foam roller, which is, again,
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[SPEAKER_01]: the lowest level of physical input.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is a pooled noodle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a pooled toy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you're experiencing pain laying on a pooled toy, when you put that quad that thigh on the pooled noodle, and it hurts, you have found the problem until it's no longer the problem.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Normal tissues are painless to compression.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let me say that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I should be able to walk up and down on your body with my 105 kilo self, and you're like, I just feel like a big fact I walk in on me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't hurt.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But a typical person, if I laid them down and put any pressure on there, they black out, they vomit, they scorn.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we have a couple rules.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Number one is, everyone, you always have to be able to take a breath.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we figured out a wrong thing that you didn't have to be a facial destructionist.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You could go in and work at a level where the nervous system worked with you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we always say, hey, we want to have neuromuscular control.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can you flex into the roller?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, can you take a breath?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then we're working in an appropriate level.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Those are the ways you can always be safe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because the first time someone does this, it's shocking to them how painful this is, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And what your brain is interpreting is stiffness in the body.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's in your brain isn't interpreting that stiffness is pain, and that's just stiffness in the body.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just localized stiffness under the pressure of the roller.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what we say is, hey, let's get the brain involved.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's get the breath involved.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to take a five second inhale.
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[SPEAKER_01]: contract to an isometric that came out of the PNF world and we're just going to hold that for five seconds saying it's safe to create tension in this tissue under load and then we slowly relax and exhale and we repeat that cycle, the sudden you take more pressure there it's not as sensitive and we just start spending five minutes on a tissue system that keeps people from generally overdoing it and low and behold
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[SPEAKER_01]: you stand up and you're like, well, how's your knee pain now?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you're like, wow, it's better.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you didn't, that was not sophisticated.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was you laying on a pool noodle looking side to side for areas that were uncomfortable to compression.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that is a perfect, perfect place to start.
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[SPEAKER_01]: where you could also then come home and say, okay, what do I do at the end of a ski day, Kel?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I want you to sit on the ground for 20 or 30 minutes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Side saddle, long sit, kneeling.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's do some long low-level isometric loading, just sitting these positions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's restore these shapes, say it's safe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then simultaneously, since you're there, the roller's right there, ask yourself, what's stiff, what's sore, what can you use some input and start this conversation of restoring blood flow, of restoring sliding surfaces, of getting non-threading into it in the body.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And now you've just integrated complex P&F ideas, rehab ideas,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's mid-October as we talk or close to it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's getting very close to ski season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: People listen to this today have enough time Kelly for the December trip, the Christmas trip, even the... So give us some references of maybe timelines of adaptation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're the guys suddenly like, you know what?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've had to be...
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[SPEAKER_00]: CEO of this company for a while and I've just had to be sitting on airplanes on my butt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had no time for the gym, but now I've sold the company.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just ski time, baby.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like so there's what there's one woman who meets that criteria.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone else if you're waiting to get ready for skisis until November, like you're not a skier, you're just a dilatant, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: All of our skiers stay in shape you're around.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They have a movement practice, and they better be breathin' hard and lift in a weight, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You have to be on your feet all the way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Look, if you're gonna go kick steps and you're not walking around the pack, Jeremy Jones, a friend of ours, you know, famously it was like, you know what gets you in shape for carrying a pack and you're back, carrying a pack and you're back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, at the very least, you need to start loading your tissues in this way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's a sourcing closer species and I'll add ski poles, you know, I had my trekking poles to the steep hills because I know I'm going to have to do that when I start climbing or I'm in the backcountry and if I don't expose my arms and my lats and my triceps to that kind of crazy load running up hills, I'm going to be sore.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the first thing is let's just make sure that you're beginning to load and that could just be carrying a heavy pack.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we can ask, what are the fundamental shapes of the body and then say, hey, I need to make sure that I'm loading that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I should probably do something that looks like a squat, right, a hingey kind of movement, kettlebell swings back squats, oh, it's close, that's my air squats.
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[SPEAKER_01]: should probably do something on a single leg, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because that's really squatting on a single leg.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's really what skiing is all about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Truly, welcome to heavy step up, walking to welcome to walking lunges.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If I want to make sure that my brain is keeping an eye on full range of motion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if I want to have better flexion, which is a skiing position, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: My hip is flexing in a
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[SPEAKER_01]: I better have access to my hip extension, getting my knee behind my butt and somebody looks like a lunge, and one of those hills are such good work, rear foot elevated split squats, pressing with my front foot on a box.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just need to make sure that I'm starting to make sure I'm loading that hip and extension and you can see why people
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[SPEAKER_01]: get into problems when they're like, well, if you do a lot of peloton, I don't know why I crashed and had the, I mean, good dust bones.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, an Olympic sport, you know, two other frances, not the way to get ready for these, the intensity and loading and connection to your system demands of skiing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So,
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the first and foremost is that you don't need a lot of time, but you need to start exposing yourself to these fundamental positions, and I'll tell you the number one limiter is people's aerobic function.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They are not fit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You might be brutally strong, but you need to have an enormous aerobic capacity to ski well, and that's 50% of the equation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you better be breathing hard and you better be able to swim in a kettlebell a lot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you'll see that even if you just, I don't know what to do, put a heavy backpack on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: start walking up and down some stairs or step up and step down, put a minute on, minute off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you could do energy system work forever, but you need to start loading your body.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise, you're going to pay, it's not going to feel as good sking.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And fortunately, in most of the time, there's really crap snow, there's three runs open, we get to kind of take our time and dilly dally in there, but I want you to be ready to go off the couch to go full-send.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's really what a lot of us are
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm, and I think you've said before you want the environment to be your coach.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is that correct?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, something around that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We want to constrain the environment so that we have to do the right thing, you know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We, Julia and I have a concept called Basecamp.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is really useful for people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: People want to talk about like the first thing I asked you, I'm like, where are the skis in the back, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I just literally was like, what are those?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Really fun to talk about skiing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not fun to talk about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Are you sleeping?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so what I want to do is make sure we're not just so hung up on like what color rope am I taking up Everest or what crampons the sharpest or we now we're arguing about which skins are the best for your back like give me a break, you know meanwhile
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[SPEAKER_01]: and let's get into base camp at Everest first and then we can talk.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So no matter what and the more you're going hard, the more this needs to happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This, what we've tried to do is high-level sport and performance and again, we work in professional Australian footie, we work in Australian Olympics, we see a lot of superstar athletes, we work in premier rugby with soccer, NFL, I see a lot
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[SPEAKER_01]: And here's what you need to do first for me to understand inputs and outputs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Are you laying in bed for eight hours without looking at your phone?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes or no?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not looking at your phone?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Eight hours.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I need you to rest.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you want to recover, grow a body, get stronger, build bone density, have a quick messing around.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're in pain, want to get less fat, less growths for your partner, you got to land bed for eight hours.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I need you to walk eight thousand steps a day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Part of that is decongesting your body.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That muscle contraction is going to push that lymphatic fluid out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I just need you to load those feet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I need you to be strong.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I need you to get some sunlight and track.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So 8,000 steps a day, laying about for eight hours, and you need you to get eight point eight grams or gram protein per pound body weight.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if I'm 105 kilos, I need to eat somewhere between 200 and 230 grams of protein a day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and again, I'm not talking about survival.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm talking about thriving about going day after day after day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if I ask you, are you eating protein during the day?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like when you ski it and you're like, no, I haven't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You probably've eaten like 30 grams of protein.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So no wonder you're adaptation is sucking.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I need you to eat 800 grams of fruits and vegetables, everybody.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not 800 grams of carbs, 800 grams by weight of fruits and vegetables.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So an apples, maybe 100 grams, 120 grams.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What you see is you could do that in fists of food, whatever, but, you know, half kilo of cherries is 230 calories, a slice of cake from Starbucks is 430 calories.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what we see is that most people are not
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[SPEAKER_01]: Man, and if you don't have Vitamin C on board, what are we talking about your connected tissue, your fascia?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, what a bunch of bullshit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're having these bullshit conversations about performance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Meanwhile, you're not eating foods, you don't get enough fiber, you're not walking, you don't get enough protein, you don't sleep enough.
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[SPEAKER_01]: real difficult for me to understand what the hell is going on in your body.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if I was going to say, I'm super busy CEO just told this company, told her company, get back on the base camp.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can do the base camp you're around.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then if you can go train or exercise, go do it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But now we've got a body that is much more capable being extraordinary.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And something you said earlier,
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[SPEAKER_01]: resonates with me and I wanted to go to hear that you didn't know if your body was capable of change and the body is capable of change at any age.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can get stronger, you can get faster, you can be more powerful, you
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, if you, like, you're trapped in a bathroom, well, then you need to pull out, you're going to do step-ups on the bathtub, and you need to pull out your jump rope.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, there's something you can do to load your body a little bit every day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And when we start to see people engage in working on their range of motion, soft tissue health, plus all these base camp behaviors, then, then you'll see that it's how much time do a train that's going to allow me to ski as far as I want to ski.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, my name's Tom Galley from Big Picture Skin, and I create online content that I'm trying to make as good as you skiing with me in person.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have a learning platform and an app that is designed to deliver this content to allow you to watch videos at night or in the time off the snow, so then you can maximize.
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[SPEAKER_00]: your time on this note, make the most of days like this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have content that covers from the intermediate level up to experts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And an amazing fact, I'm proud of, is that 90% of the members state that they've improved through using big picture skiing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And a lot go on further to say that they've even improved more through the videos and coaching online than in real life lessons.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's my goal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's my promise to you to make the best online ski content that allows you to spend more time making more fun
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[SPEAKER_00]: Improving and enjoying the beautiful environment, the snow, which we all love.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I gotta say this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to know if there's something in your like early days, your parents that influenced you, you're very good at motivating people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm serious here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm really serious.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that is probably
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[SPEAKER_00]: has to be first and forth right when you speak to people because you could say all this stuff but if you don't feel motivated to actually go and step on on the bathtub or try and sleep eight hours tonight there's like you just it's like the people that talk about skiing all the time don't actually ski.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So is that like I mean just when you're a kid like was that were you in the teams like come on guys like this sucks with down
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jimmy, pull it together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's do this like, is this part of your character?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, probably at some point you decide your teacher or your not a teacher.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've been coaching my whole life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I started teaching kayaking when I was 14 years old and, you know, whitewater kayaking to adults and my mom's a professor and look, it's really it comes about to communication.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a physio.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I see people with their lowest forms of
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, they're in the despair.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And really, you know, if I was going to fall back to my train for my mother, it's car Rogers and unconditional positive regard.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So this is just a better way of being, you know, this is a certain negativity.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, what can we control that at great?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're extraordinary.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Your body is durable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just want you to realize that you can actually ski more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: get more vertical feet in, feel better, make better turns, send bigger airs, you know, crash and still come out of a live.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, skiing is dangerous.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the most dangerous sport I engage in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the speeds, the loads, these two meter levers on my feet is insane.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's insane.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so let's get real clear that I want to treat that seriously.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If everyone thought about skiing this way, you're going to go ski, and instead of skiing, I said, we're going to get into a fight this morning.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How would you prepare for the fight?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Would you like drink in espresso and then hope it worked out?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, have a sit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Pack is in and be let us fight.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No way, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You would just be so different knowing you about to get your ass kicked.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we want to make our skiing preparation look like we're getting ready for a fight.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sweaty at some point, I've touched all my shapes, you know, so that I'm really appreciating that, you know, I'm not going to be some, you know, 1970s, you're goober on a monobord, you know, slipping my hips down back and forth and eating some labor case at lunch, like that's not the skiing work
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[SPEAKER_01]: and what it can be is a framework and a tool for self discovery and where we can start to use sport has really a framework to come to understand ourselves and one of the things I love about skiing so much is that it's a pure expression of play doesn't really exist I mean if you look at the roots of like
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[SPEAKER_01]: Scandinavians and you know, in you at people moving, and that's not scary.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like, we go up to the top of the hill and you know, some of us like to climb because we're sadists, but we go up at top of the hill and we go down and we just do that over and the infrastructure, like aliens came down there like, whoa, hundreds of kids from all over the globe come here and they're poorly paid and they run this lift and you have like, keep a troll and then you have like first aid people and like, like it's insane all the things that go into
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[SPEAKER_01]: allowing us to ski.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it is a pure expression of stoke and play.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I want us to remember that where it's always about who can have the most fun and joy on the ski slope.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But if we can take these lessons out of high performance and apply them backwards, we can actually have a better experience and more fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So then, what are you looking forward to this season?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because the James who connected us, he was saying, dude, I'm like this season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we've got more time than ever to ski.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it seems like you're finally ready.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What are you looking forward to?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Are you working on something?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Are you trying to do more big-down stuff?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Are you working on your technique?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so, right, so fun, my wife is a shredder, my kids are scarce.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've invested the time to make like hook the thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're lucky enough to have a place up in Tahoe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We love the ski.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We ski at Alpine's our fair place to ski.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's so chill.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It feels like the European
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, my wife, I've been to Japan once my wife has never been to Japan, so we're going to go to Japan with the friend some friends this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so it really is about getting enough days in that you couldn't because it doesn't matter how much biking or stepping you do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's only way to get fit for skiing is to go ski a lot and put a lot of miles and figure out how to relax and you know, spend time because I want to go to Japan and ski and ski and ski.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Full disclosure, um, love shout out to my boy Rob Fertney, uh, who is the head rep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I get to sometimes be a head local head ambassador and the head skis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we're at a time where the skis are so good right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone is making incredible skis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's so good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and I've never had as much fun on skis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I grew up racing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I was on my renteas for ever and ever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was a vocal kid and then we went to the dark ages.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, remember the snow rangers?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Those were 88 underfoot, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like people thought those were so fat and we were all like, skiing is kind of dumb.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All our friends were snowboarding.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we picked up telemark skiing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, start telling in college.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the dumbest sport ever, especially when you now are realizing how amazing boots are in these skis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We are at the apex of snow technology where you can do anything your brain will allow you to do on skis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, just everyone, all methods of sliding on the hill are valid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't, you know, I'm not a hater.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But what I'm saying is right now it's the most fun ever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just want to be prepared to be able to have the most fun because for us it's total joy to be in the mountains, in the wilderness, on the lift with our family hanging out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's one of the few places where the whole
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know, skiing is the best.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, okay, very pumped.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're getting ready.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You mentioned you're getting, you're now in a plug boot again, like, which is more of a, like a tighter fitting, or a high performing kind of solid boot transfer power.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we've also talked about conditioning, and I alluded before, like, the feet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If there was one thing that I learnt so much about it and became fascinated by it was the feet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As they could change as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I've brought up in the past.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm not a, I'm not a proponent of a footbed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't wear, I don't have a custom footbed because I feel I've worked a lot on my feet and how to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: work my archers, engage them in all different manners, and so I don't want anything under their changing that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think I've put the time into get my feet right, so can I get your perspective?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I think maybe there's two sides, like the boot fit is putting you in a footbed, getting you in the right alignment and the knee in position, all the concepts and the theory behind that, I think is great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so yeah, do you go where I'm going here?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So like, what's the perspective on can the feed change?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Who should be in a customer foot bed?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Who shouldn't?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's a complicated conversation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But what I'll say is are your feet right and dynamic?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, can you work out barefoot?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can you jump barefoot?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we spend a lot of time strengthen our feet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a company out there called Slack bow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The friends of ours we don't work with them formally.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they make a thing called a Slack block.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's basically like a piece of wood on a ton of foam pedestal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we really work on having strong feet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We do it sideways.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We turn where we have a good board, which is like a mini slack line in our house.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We really value dynamic, flexible, rad-feet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And as I hinted at earlier when the booth hit or see my feet, they're always like, whoa, like your feet are feet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, I know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, people would be like, oh, you have summer feet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, nod dog, these are not summer feet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: These are what feet do year round.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I shouldn't have to adapt my feet to some, like, we're starting to see now that the foot,
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[SPEAKER_01]: the boot has allowed toes to start moving again, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You used to just crunch them down and I'm like dude, crunch your fingers down and see how well you can make a fist and grab something, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's insane.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So suddenly like I can wiggle all my toes, thank god everyone's got to figure it out how to open up that toe box.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not a blood flow, but like you can feel what's going on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I fall into the category if I like a little footbed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: because there are shapes that are not natural in the boot and when the because you're in a fixed flex position, this again, I don't know shit about shit everybody, but you're I do need that foot to have a place to send the energy to your point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if my knee slams forward in the boot and it's a fixed hinge and it is everybody, then where's that energy going if the foot doesn't
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some will tiniest else say that some arch, again, that's totally subjective, can allow me to hook up a little bit faster.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I have some movement and you'd be surprised how much I can wiggle my toes in my boots.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I definitely like, like, you're like, man, is it loose you goosey in there?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, I'm warm, I can feel what's happening.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We saw the same thing in our cyclists.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We actually put a little forefoot verus into which means that the front of the foot is tipped out a little bit on both sides so that as you came around on the top because it's not natural to be locked into this cycling position, we could hook the foot up a little faster so it didn't have to collapse.
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[SPEAKER_01]: before.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so what you're hinting at is, you know, oftentimes if you're going to engage in a high performance turn, if you don't know how to keep an arch and can't maintain that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I've still say you have some crappy little footbed in there, some foam insert or something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some super feet, which is really like nothing, just like to keep your heel from sliding around.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not the same thing as an overly designed engineer
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[SPEAKER_01]: correct.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Your foot will collapse and collapse and collapse until you run out of space and now you're hanging on your seatbelts and then the ski goes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I need your feet to be dynamic in your shoes and if you're cramping and you're in these rigid things and that's a one-trip pony and what we're looking for is that you can feel what's happening and the more layers of removing that feel through your feet, the less we are and again most people are bringing
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[SPEAKER_01]: to the cysts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So even if you just stand on a roller at night, you know, in the kitchen and just start smushing the bottom of your feet and rolling your toes or rats down on the cross ball or again, just stand on a roller and just smush around.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You'll see that we can start to pick up a lot of function and having a strong foot is certainly, I would say a predictor of having a better, more successful ski season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think you help me maybe clarify my point there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's sometimes the words support is maybe what I don't agree with as opposed to a really good fit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So when you make the move to either your foot to get the pressure to that edge and invert the end of one, it's at the exact moment things line up and your body lines up with you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's I think I'd yeah, I think if people listening that's what you're wanting you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you don't want loose an ugly boot you want to be able to move a little bit, but then you're looking for these kind of like end range like points where you get this this feedback and this interaction with your equipment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so yeah, but I think a lot of people are maybe you don't want to outsource like the posture of your foot and just go grab it, I got these foot beds, it just prop me up and then that puts my knee in the right position, I just stand here and just like flopping like that's where I feel a lot of people are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Slarvon, baby, slarvon, listen to the button.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's a reason we used to give people so much shit, ride it, don't slide it, you know what do you do, and man, there's edges there for a reason.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, the bottom line is we want you to be comfortable, and we want to avail ourselves of the incredible,
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[SPEAKER_01]: body mechanics in force production and feel that your body can have most people have no idea.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And when you get into boots, again, have come a thousand years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're so good and they're so comfortable now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I would never be in a plug boot, you know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that before I'd be like, no way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like a 96 last hour is like it's not the same thing anymore.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We came to talk about how the width of the shell anymore.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's because the toes are open and you know, you're not solving problems and I still have phones for my lungs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I lying bang as a kid, sorry, lying, you know, it's not your fault.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You make great boots now, but you know, as a kid, I was, you know, I would collapse in the boot because we didn't have good foot beds.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And my heel will be stuck out and it would grind against the big thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, well, this is king.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, now I'm like, give me the cappuccino machines.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I do ski.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a big kid who skis powerfully.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm in a 140 flat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, give me that 140.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I still can crush that boot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's not like, and I know a lot of flex is all relevant.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But everyone, the point is, you know, spending a lot of time getting your feet prepared.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: you're taking care of your feet afterwards, literally get a pair of compression socks and you'll go back into the boot tomorrow so much better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that's the takeaway here, because I think there's a lot of good takeaways from this conversation and that is like...
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't just like prepare your hips and your back and your quads and everything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like the feet apart of this are quite like massively.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think so many villas here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, people are skiing around blindly through their feet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hoping that it does the right thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And let's put this out in the league.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like my socks are so thin, you know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, really, you're gonna put a two inch sock on on it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why don't you, like, let's make love wearing, you know, like, it's like, I can't feel your body, like, what do you do, bro?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like, no one or so big, like, you take that sick, fix sock off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I want to, I want to caress your skin with my skin.
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[SPEAKER_01]: By just keep barefoot, I would.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, so if we wrap up this conversation and and Kelly the motivational man of the hour right here helping people like Can you do a quick recap of the of these kind of Pillars and I'm going to hint to your new book as well because you talk about this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not just the body like you used to be like just the body so to stuff and then but now you're really holistic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's let's wrap it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, here's the deal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're looking for the beginning resource, Julia and I wrote a, maybe it's New York Times best of that or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's something that's fine and whatever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's called built to move and it really does talk about places where we can really level up base camp.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's sort of agnostic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then if you want to deep dive on your range of motion, go to the ready state or we download our app, we've got a mobility coach app or you can test your range of motion, see how it's changing, get some inputs in your living room.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the bottom line is, let's be a little bit more sophisticated than Ham's going to be on this Peloton and I'm fit and then I'm going to hope that transfers back into skiing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, if the very least, everyone should get a jump rope and start jumping every day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and jump on one leg, jump on two legs, let's be springy, let's be powerful, and then take the best lessons of sports nutrition, and let's start a climb, make sure you have a snack.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't need to eat a huge lunch, no one eats a huge burrito, and then goes and wins a world championship.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you don't have to do that either.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like if you sit down and have a beer and you stick free, it's, I mean, I know how you're gonna ski in the afternoon, you're gonna suck.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So when you start to fatigue,
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[SPEAKER_01]: you're done.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, really, I mean, or shut it down and just do cruisers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But and lastly, this comes from our friend Laird Hamlet and there's no more last runs ever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's no more last runs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We say a couple more, couple good ones.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And when you've had that good last run, couple more good, you could do another one, but couple, couple, couple, couple, good ones, and save the rest of the heat tomorrow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: fantastic, excellent.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'll put some links in the description to the books that you mentioned because I've enjoyed the most recent one and the supple left one was definitely a good mark on my career as a skier and the importance of mobility and
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[SPEAKER_00]: how to take care of yourself a little better, like put the power in your own hands.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kelly, I really enjoyed our conversation and yeah, I hope this just inspires people, like we meet more skiers on the hill that are crushing it, carving it and not in pain and not
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, my pleasure and really, you know, I don't know if I'm a better kayaker than I am a skier, but Julia will tell you that skiing is my first love and and if you make crappy terms, I will not respect you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you rip past with your hip on the snow, I'm going to be like, that woman is the shit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We should be mates.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks a lot, Kelly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Clear.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Cheers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks, everyone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If this conversation got you thinking about getting your body ready for ski season, I've got something that will help you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Inside Big Picture skiing, I've got a whole category of videos with workouts, mobility routines designed to do just what Kelly and I talked about, get you ready, get you moving, get your joints conditioned for this sport that we love doing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love the fact that members can cast videos from their phone to their TV so they can do a follow along workout and I've got ones from 12 minutes long to 30 minutes long so you can kind of choose the duration.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know time is of the essence we don't all have a bunch of time these days but I've made it so it's just really easy to get started.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the hardest part once you get going and there's tons more videos in there on different things, shoulders,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, invite you to go over to bepitcheskeying.com, become a member, and try out the mobility section, along with all the other tutorials on how to ski better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope you've enjoyed this episode of The Beaker Just skiing podcast with Tom and Kelly Starrett.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope there's some great takeaways, Kelly's got some great advice, look forward to seeing you on the next episode.