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Matt Graham: The Mogul Paradox - Why Elite Skiers AVOID Ski-Snow Contact

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ABOUT THIS EPISODE

I have to admit that one of my core beliefs about moguls was challenged during this most recent conversation with Olympic Moguls silver medalist Matt Graham. For a long time, I believed that more ski snow contact was the ultimate sign of a good bump skierl. But in this open and honest conversation, Matt explains why the opposite is true when you want speed and rhythm in a mogul course.


I was working with Carv at Hintertux when I met up with him, and he talked me through the key ideas the best bump skiers in the world rely on plus a whole lot more 👇


The Mogul Paradox

One of the biggest concepts he shares is something called bridging. It is the ability to absorb the terrain so well that the skis do not press unnecessarily into the bumps. By bridging at the right moment, the skier reduces friction, avoids braking, and keeps the ideal turn tempo flowing. Once Matt explained it, the whole approach made a lot more sense.


The Boot Alignment Breakthrough

Matt also speaks openly about the long journey he had getting his equipment right. He explains the exact alignment change that finally let him ski with more comfort and less fight. Hearing that from someone at his level shows how important the right setup really is.


Carv

We also talk about Carv’s data in moguls. Matt tried CARV for the first time this November and currently he is the number 1 skier on the global Carv leaderboard. Yes higher than Ted Ligety and some of the best carvers in the world. It’s very cool because Carv now has separate Ski IQs for Moguls, Carving, Short Turns and Powder. We find out that elite mogul skiers have an insanely high tempo or rhythm of turns way above even expert skiers.


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[SPEAKER_00]: And now we go to Matt Graham from Australia.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That Ben's moral competition.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Matt Graham of Australia.
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[SPEAKER_00]: From Karrisha, Matt Graham.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's ripping it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Strong skiing through the midsection.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the stuff I made it in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Get it out of the system.
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[UNKNOWN]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Matt Graham.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is your winner.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Matt Graham 88.9 goes into the number one spot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, he can be pretty pleased to a silver medal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm still thinking about the conversation I had with Olympic mogul skier Matt Graham.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You really got me thinking about my own technique and if you follow me you know that I absolutely love bump skiing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm recording this intro from the streets of Salzburg on my way home, because I got to meet Matt a couple of days ago.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We got to ski on the hinter-tooks glacier.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I got to see him ski a proper mower course at lightning bolts speeds.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, way to you here in the interview, how fast a turn like turns per minute he makes and the world cup.
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[SPEAKER_02]: People make, it's just astonishing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's well above what I actually thought was possible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, in this interview, I think it's really fascinating find out that Matt really had some troubles with his boots set up for many, many years and it took him a while to actually get the right set up that made him just feel efficient, and not have to put as much effort in and mistakes being caused through his brutal moment.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, we also get to chat about carve because Matt tried carve and in the moe, of course.
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[SPEAKER_02]: there's some super interesting results from that one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it really points to carve getting more and more accurate.
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[SPEAKER_02]: with it's measuring and comparing to, you know, what the best of the best do in mesking.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So as always, this podcast interviews, I try and bring deep insights, things that help you learn because that's what I want to get out of them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think you're going to really enjoy this one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks so much Matt for your time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And good luck in the upcoming Olympics.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Ozzy, Ozzy, Ozzy, Ozzy, Ozzy, Ozzy, Ozzy, Ozzy,
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[SPEAKER_02]: How are you finding the elevation because obviously Finland wouldn't, yeah, yeah, yeah, do you feel even with all your off season training?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you feel the effects?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, going up there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I've done four days on snow now and, um,
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[SPEAKER_01]: The first day I felt alright, I was come off the plane and the body was fresh, so I felt pretty good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Second day I started out a bit like day two blues, I mean body start deal or saw, notice the absolute a bit more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, you definitely catch as you add a breath a little bit more than you normally would expect.
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[SPEAKER_01]: but it's even just like the little things like Ben and over put do not be boots standing up like you might give yourself a little bit more time for when you do that to any drop in for your run than you normally would just because you might have a bit of a head spin or yeah some like that but I mean luckily we're living down what is this like 1300 meters down here in the valley yeah we're skiing up at 3000 meters so yeah we're running out there for a short period of time here in the day and and more we're skiing it's at short bursts
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and if you're skiing well, you're not really exerting as much energy as you would if you're, you know, on the edge a little bit more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so yeah, it changes run from run really.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's good to hear because yeah, I'm definitely feeling fear.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, feel it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think there's two things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It affects the altitude and then even though like you did you last ski about September.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so we were in Parasho and into like middle September.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We had a couple weeks off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we actually went to the north of Finland at Levy, where they had the, okay, the, the fist alarm event this weekend.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so we had an early season training there, training camp there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Unlike a, it's a,
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[SPEAKER_01]: small sort of flat course, okay, but it was more just a filler gap between September and Yeah, yeah, kid delays work, kid delays working being the boots sliding on the snow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean we weren't going there to sort of Rement the wheel and yeah, alone anything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, new really it was more just to just keep moving and staying the boots Like speaking of boots like we first properly met
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[SPEAKER_02]: Excuse you back now, ma'am.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you might've been like 23, 22, I think.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yeah, and you were doing a bit of a 23 bit of a talk and I did a bit of a talk and you mentioned that you had some success getting in a different style of boots.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So maybe do you want to start with like where was the problem?
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[SPEAKER_02]: that made you like looking to boot set up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I guess just to give you a bit of background on my like skiing career and how it evolved.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, when I was young and in Australia, at the time this is in the early to mid 2000s, some of the best skis in the world were skiing on back then.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was the rightly or it was transitioning to the full tilt, which is now the K2, three-piece boot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And initially when I was a kid, I just had this tiny little kids-lang boots with some twin tips.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's why I started mogul skiing on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And from there, once I was big enough and old enough to get my first pair of mogul skis, it was like here in my ID1 mogul skis, and we want to move into like a three-piece boot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what some of the best mogul skis in the world are using.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so we just grabbed some back then some kids Dalbello, three-piece boots.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they'll call the rampage.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I was probably like 10 years old from then on, I'd only have a scared three-piece boot because that was sort of the belief at the time that your bump scare you skiing is freestyle boot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's got a better ankle flexion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's got this this progressive flex, it's better for the bumps, not sort of the mentality and over the years that's just I just learned to adapt to those boots and that equipment and then skied on those boots all
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[SPEAKER_01]: until the 2012 I got like four tilt rang me up and said, I'll map, we want to give you some boots.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I've skated a couple of years on four tilts and had two boots that were the same but fit completely differently.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And skated completely differently.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was like, that's weird.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I preferred the Dalbello.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd like to add Dalbello and they've been supporting me ever since that time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But at that point in time, I was in the krypton.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, should we get into the like, I'm curious, you're already like, what was different that you didn't like that made you go back?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, what did you feel?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was you say.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was you say.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, first pair of four two, so I had a bell great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I liked them, they were skateboarding them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Finally enough, I went from a been in a 25-5-dubello rampage into a 26-5 in the 4-Till.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't fit into a 25-5.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that first period of 26-5's were good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the second year got the next boot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm 26-5, the same boot, 4-Till classic or whatever was called.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was like, the volume was completely different.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, the first time I put those boots on was like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: and it wasn't so I started skiing on on my, wow, he's a bit weird.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, my heels are lifting and this is a 2013, 2012, 2013 season and I was just finished high school and I don't know anything about the boot tack or any of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So just I just had to learn to deal with it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, I went pretty well that year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I got ended up with a fourth place of old championships in boots that were like to be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you mean?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the fact that those two boots, but we're supposed to be the same, just fit completely different.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, nah, I'm not doing that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I fought till it's not for me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's my call-up del bello and they, um, they were looking after my brother.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I had the time he was my old skier as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so we had the contact there with sport trade in Australia.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And from then until the Beijing Olympics, I was on the what was the krypton, which then changed into whatever it was after that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I got myself a medal at the Olympics in 2018 on those boots, but back then, I have really bold legs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, the three-piece boots are very straight.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can't do much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Cough can, you know, and you can't count them, but you might pin you to really doesn't do anything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so to compensate for that, I would, I used to put like a shame or a wedge, a cantion plate underneath my binding.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, when the sandwich between the binding and the ski, and it was very homemade.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, okay, we got my dad sort of caught up and made, got these things made at like different angles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, start it out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: trying to get a great play for a pretty good play and ended up on a fortery plate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, but there's no size behind it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We just sort of assume that you would need the same angle on each leg.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I used to run like a fortery plate on both sides.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you didn't have that, like say borrow someone's skis, would you feel knock-need?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, super knock-need.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was why we changed it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So when I went to the first Olympics in Sochi 2013, yeah, I was flat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just straight out of the box, skim out and straight out of the box boots.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh-huh.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And at the time,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I could never really get my legs together in the months.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd always hit in the mobile, and I'd be like, my legs would want to just pull apart.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Especially when I got ready.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so because of that, obviously, I was, you know, when we looked at the way I skied on the groomers and what, and I was always a little bit afraid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Trying to find that like that edge.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was scared.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I really have to dig the knee.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so the common set I was like, oh, I would do these candid plate things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then so you did that went to the Olympics.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's, and then so with candid boots, your knees more aligned.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Middle, silver, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But like just, we'll have four degrees on both sides.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay, quite extreme.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I guess it's amazing what your body can learn to compensate for and work with.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So obviously I can make that work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'll still vary at that point in time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: in the bumps.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like for me in particular, I always struggle to get the angle on the left, whereas the run I always felt I would find the edge pretty early.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And what happened after those Olympics, which really started to maybe between Pyeongchang and the Beijing Olympics, so I'm in for a bit of a weed period, my form sort of slumped a bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and Dalbello decided to read, they tried to reinvent the wheel with the crypto boot and fully changed the mold of the boot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And when I went to that new mold, it was, I felt way of dance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: From left to right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I just threw that quad a little bit quad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just, dealt with it, was trying to figure it out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And anyway, I went to Beijing Olympics and didn't do well there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I broke my COVID in seven weeks beforehand and had a disrupted laid-up, but didn't do well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I fell out of love with the sport.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was felt like I was sort of beat my head against the brick wall.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think getting better on what was going on, felt off balanced, didn't know what the answers were.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the solutions were.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I started looking to more outpone races, boot fit in, just both mostly on YouTube, like, because I can't remember a bunch of guys and that, but I looked, I think, can't tolerate you as one of the brands I looked into and they made a bunch of like a YouTube series on the alignment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I did my own sort of research and, and what was possible, because I was, I was also just fed up with,
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[SPEAKER_01]: like mounting my skis with the plates with the pain in the ass.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like we had to, we'd have to go out and find longer binding screws, sort of grind them to size.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that would work, and mounting the things took, like we mount, I mount my own skis, and to do it with the plates, it was like an hour and a half per ski, yeah, whereas normally it takes 10 minutes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Have you needed to have a ski broke or something over the seas?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, and you stuck with the left and right ski, and I don't like having the left and right ski.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because if you, in mogles, if you clank and smack an edge out, yeah, sometimes you just switch skis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, it's a problem sort of temporarily sold.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But having the left and right, you just stuck with that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, so after Beijing, when I was doing all this research, I called up a few friends in Australia,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I spoke to her a little bit about Andy Burflet, only maybe cross-part of them a couple of times prior to that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like before that, I would just do my input fit in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd go to like a ski shop and go, hey, can you heat these up for me?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'll chuck my foot in this wraparound liner and heat mould it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, was it?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, once I started looking into, you know, more of the science behind the boot fit, I was like a car and it, and it's going to help some proper help.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's my starter working with Andy Burford through Sami's sort of connection because he fitted her boots through our career.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's when I started talking to him about, you know, Kantian and, and for that first season in 2023 in Perisher, I,
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[SPEAKER_01]: was on the ill-morrow delbello, which is a free style boot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's like a 120 flex, something like this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, we sort of made some makeshift counting plates under the boot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and it worked.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, all of some it realized, you know, and it wasn't for degrees.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not for degrees of my left and for degrees of my right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm significantly less, you know, and when I did it that way, significantly less on the left, but I think in that boot, I was three and a half degrees on the left, and then I had like a two degree count on the right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, all of a sudden that was balanced.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I could stand on my left ski, feel that edge, and then, but the problem with counting those boots is
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[SPEAKER_01]: They kind of like, yes, they have like a the bottom piece, which is like a, I mean, not material is it's almost like a robber or something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it's not a word like this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And anyway, so when you pull that off, it's like this part of the boot is like, I'm hollow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so you can't really do much like grinding.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: On the the toe and heel, because it was just going to get pretty thin and pretty sketchy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we couldn't really come up with a good solution for that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And anyway, I was read a temporary thing going that was working.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I just went on the Delbeller website, was thinking about like a full buckle boot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I sent him this D-R-S-1-10 at the time, and I was like, what do you feel it's on this?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, is it worth trying it?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then he happened to just have one in the shop.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He literally, we went in, I went in, so this is sort of at the end early September, after our competition season in Paris were finished.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we pulled them out of the box, so I just stand in and I just want to see what they will clock out of the box.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and it was like instantly on the flat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I could stand way more natural position.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So all of a sudden it was like, whoa, it was like there's a lot of old moment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, we're way closer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have a way closer standpoint.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then when I had in like a free piece of boot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he was just like, he sort of did my linemen as like candidly coughs to sort of match my machine angle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then he was just said, taking for us, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: See what you think.
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[SPEAKER_01]: anyway as it was, I don't need a whole lot of camp on these boots because you can manipulate so much more in the cuff and just to hold the angles of it out of the box were more works a lot better.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to jump in there because I think some people will so they'll go through your process and you've got the counting plates in the boots and
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not, like, that's just for that boot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, even, I mean, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is my second pair of dyruses and there's slightly different to my last bit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Aha.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So these, and yeah, so it's same boot roughly, but the mold and stuff, slight differences, you might even, you know, grow more muscle in different places.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you've, it's not the same.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I just want to say that because I think some people go in and they go,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm a one and a three.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Can you put a one and two on, but really every single pair of boots different different you should check.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They come out the same mold.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's there's always going to be a little bit to different.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, if you get a custom line, I mean, that customer is not going to be the same every time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's right, volume in the inner and out of part of it there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so that was something that was quite interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I even noticed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: After last season, my pair of boots.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like between.
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[SPEAKER_01]: World Championships in March and when I skate in Perisha, we did a lot of cycling.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, lot of road cycling.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, my calves got bigger.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All of a sudden, and then I felt like I needed, I couldn't find that inside as quick because of my calf block went to the outside.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so we had to make some adjustments throughout the season on my old boots, which was sort of facted into this boot as well, which this bird's only, I don't know, maybe
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[SPEAKER_02]: What about the, because I know in mogul skiing, can you talk about what you feel is right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, do you want bottomless flex?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you want support and certain stiffness to help with absorption?
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[SPEAKER_02]: What's your feeling on that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, a lot of it is what you get used to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So obviously, I spent so much time in a three-page boot and was used to that sort of flex pattern.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, that spring loaded sort of flex pattern.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It felt very different and had to make some tweaks to make it right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like when I first built these on and just went skate on the grooms, I could instantly tell him, he sings it unreal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am also precise, reactive, just felt unreal on the grooms and then after half a down the grooms, I'll just give some bumps at Parasheur.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and my four after was off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We could tell my lateral, that was way better.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're like, all right, this is good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But like, all of a sudden, my feet were getting away for me, and so I struggled to find that sort of forward position in the nose.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Initially, so then when I'm made some extra tweaks, you know, with ramp angle and stuff like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so you jacked up the ramp angle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just chucked a heel lift in your leg and was that pretty much it?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, you live made massive difference and you're again, do you run like how tight do you do your top buckles?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, pretty tight.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Pretty tight.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this is one turn.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty, especially on the warm day things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It can flex pretty easily.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Flex and the boosts not the issue.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I like, once I got used to this, I found it the flex more enjoyable than that other than like a free piece.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Cause a free piece, like when I think back on it, it's like the tongue is what's designed as like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: to give you like the rebound or the flex stiffness.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they're like, oh, we just, you know, you want to soft the boot, you get to soft the tongue or whatnot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that tongue is not a perfect spring.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because if you take a tongue for Furibus boot and you start to flex it, the initial flex is really hard, but then once you start to move it, it's like, it'll like fold for, and because it has that spring action, it's always pushing you back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, okay, which is not great when you want to just easily set yourself forward right like not necessarily No, it's great like yeah, it's it feels nice You know if you hit a front side of the bump you can and it can really take that that's sting out of it Yeah, but then it wants to push it back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that should mean once you've got pushed back So then you're cresting another bump
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I sometimes feel almost a bit to like a bit more effort that you'd like to get back to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's a different feeling and obviously people get used to it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Macau Kings are really scared on the full two.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's alive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously pretty good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It came out from Japan as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was on a full block of booth for most of his career.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The last two seasons he moved to a full tilt.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mostly because he's coach for us in the do it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, once I got used to this, I feel like you can sort of just lean on the front of the,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I like a free piece if you're on the run in the softer side, then you might hear mobile and you're feeling it full through it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's I think it's a misconception is getting that if you're, you can't flex about it's because you boost too soon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because in my opinion, like if you boost too soft,
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[SPEAKER_01]: your reaction is to use your heel because you don't trust the cuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't trust the cuff to sort of lean into it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sort of my opinion anyway.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now it doesn't stop there with the boot mods and that's a stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What is what is this?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so we've been fortunate enough in Australia.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we have a lot of support for sporting bodies and organizations and in particular, strand of these shoes sport.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so they, like, sort of, help out all amateur sports, I guess, and Olympic sports with creating things that can make, you know, a little difference makers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, a little 1% is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the stock, this is just a bootboard.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just basically just to replace the original bootboard that was in there, which is like a really hard like brittle material.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, you've smacks and bumps on that thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We just cracks and gets destroyed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so this is also designed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like a bit of a shock of the robot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's got a bit of a bit of a given it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we're able to sort of
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[SPEAKER_01]: implement my heel lift that I like into that one piece as opposed to having a flat bootboard with a Yeah, it's a very heel lift.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, okay, and so it's 3d printed 3d printed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so along with our canteen plates as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, so this is basically scanned off the original like orange ones that come with the boots and then there I would have made a model on
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[SPEAKER_01]: and just get a really precise, yeah, can answer to whatever degree you want.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it gives us an ability to go out and like, troll a lot of different stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's just probably 15 screws that you can interchange pretty easily.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but my way I would always do it is, you know, I'd go on the lowest side of the camp.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what I feel would be, I'd say I want a one degree of camp.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like a one degree is right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd maybe troll like a 0.75.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I go fill that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, right, if I need a bit more, then you just add a bit of tape.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Until you get it about right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you can sort of about, okay, that's not, you know, basically, trigonometry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can sort of figure out what your angle is going to be yeah, until you get it right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You've enjoyed this stuff, because you started your part of your studies is in engineering.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I did it, sub-engineering and business at University of Newcastle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so this year, sort of geekiness, I guess, I like.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you got into it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's also just
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[SPEAKER_01]: bulk of my career being like my effort area was were like you know like you're digi teeth into it and work hard here and um and this is just this sort of stuff was about like just changing my focus below more putting a lot more effort into my equipment and getting that right yeah um because like I said I felt like I was banging my head against a brick wall I couldn't get it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't progress anymore at the time and I was almost full into a bit of a slump my results were sort of fading a bit and um
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[SPEAKER_01]: And since I changed, you know, I went from in the 22, 23 season after Beijing, I had one of my probably my best days on tour.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I had six woke up podiums and I finished second overall in single moguls and then got a second and a third place in the World Championships that year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was one of one of it, probably not my best season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And literally changed, changed the boost that off season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was pretty last minute.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't till the end of barrisher.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We started to get it dialed in with the new boot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't have a whole lot of time in the DRS before the season started.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so consequently, that year, I was a little bit slow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The start my results were a little a little lower than I would have liked, but then as a season went on, I got more used to the boot, more confident everything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just get better and better.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to steer us towards technique a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so if vice sort of started off saying, say we're talking beyond, like someone can just get down a zip-aligned course, are there some common misconceptions there that you see, like, say, people like me on the internet, giving advice, like, oh, this is how you do it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that or others how you do it, that you go actually, there's a point where that changes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: any of the things that like that come to mind.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, when I watch the stuff on YouTube of more of like, I guess like your instructor style of skiing or your Alpine style of mobile skiing, it's definitely different line to what we were normally ski.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so it talks through that, talks through this design line.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So like, I guess like your line will probably be more carving it wider.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then say like how I would look at it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And as like a mobile ski growing up, like you'd
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[SPEAKER_01]: focus, maybe more on a narrow corridor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, um, that's supposed to get as wide and turning around the bump.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the way you do it, establishes probably more control.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So where is where sort of you need to reach of control?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you need to reach of control.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That control, you need to be willing to take on a lot more speed, and a lot more impacts to take that more narrow line down the down mode, of course.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, it's because I ski, we both ski that, that hint of tux, bump line yesterday, and I felt so slow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if you know you come blitzing down there, and I'm standing there looking down this pitch going, you know, come on, give it a bit, but my instincts are like making pivot and go up high and everything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: How would you coach me?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we're back up there to start getting tolerance.
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[SPEAKER_02]: to go to the last one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you probably want to go starting a little easier course.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So just take it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we're to a point where just Tom, we need to get you on a course where you could just go hell for leather.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you can practice skiing that narrow line and take a bit more speed through bumps.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, pick up your, I guess your tempo.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're, you're our cadence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because, yeah, the straight you go, all like the more down the foreline you ski, like the more absorption you have to use.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you ski a really wide line, I mean, it's the way the mobs sort of form up, like you've done it half to absorb.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it's almost like a big bank slam course to go really wide.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, as you sort of narrow that up and ski more of a full line.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you've got to take a lot more impact in your absorption.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I, yeah, I'd probably take you back to like trying to do an easier course when the mobs aren't so big.
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[SPEAKER_01]: These bumps are quite big.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, aggressive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, try and like narrow you to I guess you're called.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, cut it down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and and try and take on a little bit more speed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, and you get to a point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, especially in these movies, which are really large
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[SPEAKER_01]: You have to be willing to leave the snow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because, okay, there's a good one, because I think in the instructing world, they're always on about like contacts.
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[SPEAKER_02]: ski snow contact, do your control, get contact, get your tips down the back of the bump.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So can you speak to it where that's applicable and maybe it changes?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I guess from a recreational point of view, it does establish a lot of control.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, um,
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[SPEAKER_01]: but in the sport of mobile scan, like time is a big component in our world.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The country is 20% of our, to 20% of our final score, but it also, you know, if your scan really slow, like it also affects your turn scores.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, you can't get a really good turn score if your scan's slow when you control.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I guess the point where you can't move your legs fast enough to keep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: contacts that contact with the snow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so what generally happens, I mean, it's more of a natural thing than anything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: By basically you sort of just bridge the trough at the mobile.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you're only skiing on, you know, um, like the, if that's sort of your mobile, you just skiing on like the top third.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're coming to the mobile.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like this is the trough.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you sort of, you know, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're,
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[SPEAKER_02]: absorb that top third or top half of it and then teeter over the top of the backside Yes, and then it sort of releases to the next mobile to the next one Yeah, so you're not going way down in because I was watched you at Mount Buller at the A-bomb and I was like half way down the side And I took a little video and I was looking back at it and it's like he's not like and the range of motion You're using I was like, oh, he's not like going out for last.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There are it's like yeah
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[SPEAKER_02]: Where it's here, you've got to use a lot of range, but it's still not like the full, along the way you're going fast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You want to be out of depth.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like if you went into the deep part, you're probably going to cause problems.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you tried to get in there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, at that speed, if you're going all the way down to the base of the mode, we're going to come in all the way back up, like a flex on your ski, or just cause weights much pressure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you wouldn't be on handle it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Other points.
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[SPEAKER_02]: In your career, you can remember like maybe X teenager where you had a breakthrough.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So like maybe you know what my level where I'm at and then be like something that I could be looking for that I might discover and go, oh yes, that's gonna open up in a new world in or some new feelings of confidence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's hard to pinpoint and I guess just on the spot, but it's probably getting to that point when you go from skiing, like four skates, so contact.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, to trust in it and
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[SPEAKER_01]: been able to bridge that trough a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay, because all of a sudden, like, your tolerance for the speed that you can handle, which just goes way up, which is why when you watch, I mean, if you watch yourself ski versus me, like, I'm basically just gone, I'm not resisting it, I'm not trying to resist it to resist a whole lot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to just basically fall down the mobile course.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, um,
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[SPEAKER_01]: And when it does come to pulling speed back for the jump or whatever, do you really need to lean on your technical side and your absorption to really sort of pull things back?
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[SPEAKER_02]: But can you, was it a gradual process like you suddenly realized, oh, I'm bridging, or do you, can you remember like a day in Paris or where, like your coach is really pushing your conditions were perfect and a bit softer and that's when you discovered it?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I assume it would have been a forgiving day, but yeah, it can't be important.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It would just what happened over time and actually, as I would have got bigger and stronger and developed as an adolescent, so boy at the time, but I mean at that point of time, I was just a kid trying to chase the old guys around and they helped with
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, a parachute we're fortunate enough to have like one of the hardest courses in the world there and back then we see a large portion of woke up scares and top-end woke up skis will come out, train and go out in our national titles and so I was like, as like it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: 10, 12 year old, it was like eye opening and I was just, yeah, oh, that's how I want to do it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's, that's the momental scan that I've known.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's probably, you know, as you see, that's probably something really unique for Australia in moguls compared to racing, because we've that well-dove our weight in moguls, but ski racing's harder, I think there's other things there, but the fact you grew up with all the best of their,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, all the best I really come to Australia trying to do for Alpine's again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, my sport's really cool in that respect, I mean, we're out of training into intotokes and, you know, there's like U.S. and Canadian club teams out there, and I mean,
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[SPEAKER_01]: it's it's pretty cool for them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean I remember when I was a kid trying you know looking up to those big guys like I mean in Australia sort of trained on trained alongside Dalbex myth a lot in the mid 2000s when he was at the top of his game yeah and Olympic gold medals and yeah all the rest yeah um so watching our guy just really mobile runs was like four
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's unreal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was fortunate enough at the time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, I was the sport.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In Australia was much smaller back then.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was only a handful of families involved.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Really?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: At that club level.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And...
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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess I showed, you know, a reasonable amount of sort of determination and talent.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And when I was like 13, Dale and he's coach, Steve Desovich, who was my long-term coach.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's from the US, Dale was from Canada, but competed for Australia.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That sort of took me under under the wings.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I did a couple of days training and skiing with Dale where.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Death's the best of which would coach him and then yeah and then our day award coach me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he was he was a big mentor through that like adolescent early days in my career and even to this day we still sort of text each other a bit here and there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: being in the skiing district and I've got Archie who's eight and you've met him at the end of school.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's enjoying the sound box any of my nine, the Instagram stories every now and then.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's all he's getting a lot better.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's getting better and he's enjoying it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I get hit here to hinder talks and there are just hundreds of little race kids getting around and it seems like quite a like it's a lot of effort.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Can you help me
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've always kind of thought in my head, I reckon Archie, if you really want to do any kind of sport, I kind of want to nudge him towards mogles.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Your thoughts on that, like, you've got one little one, two little girl.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, little girl, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, any advice for thing around Archie and then like your thoughts are you already like, no, my child is not going to defeat because it's crazy in here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think of my backfields, I don't want my daughter to think exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Things like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the moes have, we have a great history in Australia.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, my team at Chicago, Anthony, she's ran a gold medalist from Beijing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I got a silver, the Olympics before that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then Dalbex Smith was a gold, got a gold in 2006 and silver in 2010.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we got a really strong history.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, us as Australian overseas, we are, oh, it a lot to the likes of Dalbex Smith, who's sort of pioneered that like Olympic pathway and Olympic sort of glory for Mosin.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because the way that's meant and stuff behind it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The way that system works is, yeah, like, medals, breeds sort of funding for teens.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's sort of,
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[SPEAKER_01]: got the ball rolling and developed a really strong pathway in the moguls, moguls world in Australia.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean from from club level all the way through is there's a really good pathway there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay, which is what sort of I went through and then obviously, point my teammates through as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, started that their local club, you know, I was from Paris, y'all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The two clubs are basically Paris, when it's
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[SPEAKER_01]: the Mount Bull Club was sort of the dominant one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, from like, we've had a bit of hangover through the 90s and 30,000s, but then over time, once Perish built our big course there, it's called Toppeded Dream.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, once that was built, it just sort of changed everything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, Mogus game basically is a Perish trend struggle.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let me ask you this then because I've kind of wanted an answer here, I'm search for everyone.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think are you like a crazy kind of person, like you're the kind of kid when you're younger, you would hug things when other people wouldn't.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Are you a calculated kind of person?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I guess I'm trying to look like traits.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry about that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was pretty...
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd say I was pre-reckless in a little bit, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But there was probably more calculated than I probably gained myself credit for.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like everything I did was, you know, I was not doing something that I was scared of.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So obviously I believed myself to do something, whether it was a trick on snow or jump off a roof into a pool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it was, that was sort of who I was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I was just, I was pretty invested and just into the sport a lot in the off season, just in my backyard, especially in lead up to winter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In that autumn period in Australia, I'd spend an hour and a half, two hours bounce on the trampoline in the backyard every day.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And trying to mimic different tricks and learn different tricks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was, it was all very home-made.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I said, that's,
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's created some issues in my jumping and acrobatic stuff on snow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, really?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why just because it's ingrained and ingrained and I didn't have, I didn't come from like a gymnastics background.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was sort of the stuff I had to learn later on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'd say, especially younger when I was younger, I had like a pretty good aerial winters.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, um...
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[SPEAKER_01]: and that was just from doing stuff in the backyard, really.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, are you good at other sports?
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[SPEAKER_02]: As people get annoyed, like, I'll go play golf or we go surfing or something.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you find you like fairly good at figuring out sports?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Would you say that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I am to some extent, not as much as maybe others are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's probably just led by my competitive drive to especially if there's like a game involved.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm gonna work my ass off and try and win that game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Ten more ten more songs.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, whatever it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think I'd because of that like sort of competitiveness.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'd pick it up different things that really are reasonably well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I was sort of an avid style of growing up because I'm I'm from the central coast of New South Wales.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And come from a sailing family.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My mom and dad's style.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're a parent's style.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're a south out of the local sailing club at Gosford.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and I was actually a full-time national champion in like a junior boat okay right like a small junior boat and when I was 14 I basically got to the point where I had to make the decision if I was going to be a sailor or a skier okay and before that I was my dream was to do
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sailing Olympics, skiing Olympics, that's the same sort of time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay, um, but I think the dollars we're getting to high and yeah, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I started to realise when I was at 13, 14 years old that it's going to be very hard to do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So do you tend to do both?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I also, I was so competitive that I wanted to be the best at whatever it was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and um,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't be the best at both of those.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I may have been out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've got the Olympics for sailing if I really stuck it out and skiing at the same time, but I probably would have been a participant at both of those events.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm where as I wanted to be, the best scary in the world from when I was probably after my first overseas trip really thousand and two, yeah, that was, yeah, when I are.
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[SPEAKER_02]: sort of had like sort of clicked.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's definitely a thing isn't like champions, Olympians, they often have a story of I remember going I want to win a medal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to be world champion.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's a like setting that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's pretty common.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, very, for me it was
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[SPEAKER_01]: We went on our first overseas family holiday to our silver star.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, basically.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just for a couple weeks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, this is in very star 2003, so I was going into grade three school.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think I was seven or eight.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, maybe just turn eight years old.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and just loved it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And saw that like an Australian winner sports club camp thing on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that was when I'd had a joint win of sports club, the year before that, and got a bit of a taste of moguls, our fine, and a bit of like the train park.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But moguls, I was already sort of iron off at that point, I enjoyed it the most.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And anyway, I got back from that Silver South trip, and literally flew in, then one night, and then we had Sally and State totals the next day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I saw with my brother at that point in time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I went to sleep, jet lag to sell work up the next morning.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My mum worked me up, and I remember just waking up, but it's been like, oh, mom, I want to be the best scary in the world.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then she was just like, yeah, right, I'm out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to go into state totals.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And anyway, so maybe we'll probably win one of the states, and then the rest is history, but it was a fool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was sort of, I never forget that moment.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was just amazing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And at the time, I didn't know it was going to be models.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I used to want to be like a big mountainscare.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When I was like that age, I used to watch like the scheme movies, yeah, time, matchstick movies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: New lines, cinema, I think it was called, and yeah, I watched a movie called The Seth Morrison Chronicles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, he was awesome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's kind of what I wanted to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, moguls was for me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, what about if someone's getting to mogles does do the skis make it easier?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do they make a difference?
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[SPEAKER_02]: The skis you're on compared to say the skis I tried to skier the bump course.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, like for those who don't know, mogles skis they're much narrower than normal skis.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What are they underfoot?
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[SPEAKER_01]: 61.
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[SPEAKER_01]: 61.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not sure the tip of Taylor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I knew you had the tip, maybe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's way narrow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe something of the tail.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So a lot narrower.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure the radius is to be on a sudden.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just didn't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just scan the thing that they work for me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm, and to be honest, I haven't really ski mode was on this type of ski view on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'd be interested to try one time and yeah and see if I can rip bumps.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure I would be able to do a reasonable level.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I imagine like a short, like Sloan scale would be quite tricky because they'd be like super stiff, where as my skis, they're like softer in the tip and then a little stiffer in the tail.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's basically so soft tip help.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if your tips do hit ideally tips hit the bump first.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that sort of gives it a bit of a shock absorbe effect.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the stiffer tail was basically to help land jumps.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yes, they don't wheely out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you have something to leverage off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, and it does come in effect when you get, I mean, you get pre-vaccinate in the bombs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get soft.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you can use that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Use the coffee a boot and they are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Tastes good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Tastes good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Try and poised off food.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, narrow a ski straighter.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You can keep those feet doing the same thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, not like you're not stepping on your own skis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and you just, you can roll from edge to edge so quick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you put them on and you'd be like these things feel weird.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like, yeah, I bet, as soon as you're on edge like, yeah, yeah, I haven't sked on too many wider skis, I mean, I have a pair of, I think, of vocal mantras at home.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're like an all-mountain sort of carving ski.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've only sked on him a handful of times.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's literally too easy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's seeing feel like an effort to land like a bear to like a mobile ski.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But once those things are on edge, they're unreal, whereas mobile ski, like, you got to be a little careful especially on the groomers because it doesn't take much
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I bet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I bet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, especially because we don't have rise of plates or anything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just a bonding on ski and narrow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's why you don't see you guys really nail on it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's two reasons to that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's one because we do like way too many turns in the bumps and we're already legs are cooked so we don't want to do any more turns.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then we need to buy it generally like when we're not skinny moguls once we've warmed up with.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not do many turns to get to the course of the jail if a couple lazy car turns down and yeah get there We're not working on our short turns or yeah, right it like like big cars Yes, yeah, because I mean take that takes it out of you as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, definitely done a lot of leg fatigue and then you go jump in the bumps And but you are looking for you were saying you're like you want to maybe when bumps can come down You want to go and like yeah have a crack get good at other parts of skin for sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I'd be reasonable, but it would be definitely shift to like, really work on different tone techniques with a different style of ski, like a more calm, groom and ski.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I like to try slimes, I don't know if it's going to slimes ski.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just just say how aggressive it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I'd want maybe a stiff boot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, probably.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Probably a 130, I think at least.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I'd be intrigued to give them a crack.
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[SPEAKER_01]: something and maybe you can teach me some stuff because yeah yeah it would be it would be good I'd like to yeah I would we do a bit of like medium rate of your sort of turns yeah um but our technique and what we're taught is probably a little different to what you would teach yes okay like you you probably might be more like you know so to keep hands food outside yeah to also where we try and keep the knee a little bit more under the hip yeah just a little more knee angulation
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep, with it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I remember seeing an old Stephen fearing like YouTube video about carving on like as a drill for mobile keys.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're sort of, you know, we want to be just basically our turn is just rolling roll and female.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Always then.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And these kind of what you need is to be on the hips most of the time and just you're
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[SPEAKER_02]: You've approached equipment in the lead up to this Olympics.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You obviously training physically really hard, probably trying to recover any other areas like in your technique when you've watched video at the moment or tricks like where's your next couple of percent.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You reckon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think I've got the the package I need.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, really well push that top step.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's really comes down to putting all together and connecting the dots from the start go to the fish line.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's that's like when you get into that higher level of moose getting that's
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's like the art form of it and just the competitive pressure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and just, I mean, everything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you're dancing on eggshells and on such a precipice of being in controlling our control.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you're too much in control, you're going to be gone too slow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you're going to be out of it anyway.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Even if you're on the out of control side, you'll be making mistakes and all of a sudden you turn scores and jumps will probably be affected.
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[SPEAKER_01]: the course that I'm skiing and knowing where my limit is, and then being able to execute like my run the best that I can do it, which is when that sort of mental, sort of rehearsal and mental psychology side of things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this course, this course in Italy, do you know much about it?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Have you?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, we skate it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We had the Olympic testament there in March last year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I liked it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's on the steepest side, which is good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, not as steep as
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[SPEAKER_01]: Overall, it's probably similar, but maybe it's slightly steeper.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: but like top is dream in Australia.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like really long, super steep top section where it gets up to like 36 degrees.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But then the middle section's maybe 26, 26, whereas in Eliminio in Italy, it'll be like a constant 28 degrees.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The whole way down, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Which is kind of like the benchmark 28 is like a steep world cup, low, like world class course.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we got a world cup and
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[SPEAKER_01]: like you can scan on a 25 grit course.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's really flat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like this one in Hinter Talks is not overly steep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's challenging in its own unique ways.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, at the moment, but it's not by any means like a steep course.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I think I'd prefer it when the course gets out a little bit steeper.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, bumps develop a little bit more and I get a little bigger.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, do you find that that's your okay with that?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Are there other elements like this Hindutox one?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is it rhythm change?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, is that what catches a lot of people out?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, to make a course if it's not steep, what else makes it tricky?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so like your jumps, the way the jumps come out, yeah, yeah, yeah, and like your transition size of the jump, and then your little things like rhythm changes within a section of models.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But also, as the mobile course gets older over time and more and more people will skate, it gets like hacked up in random different ways.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and gets less, like gets more imperfect, I guess.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, kind of, more angled.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let's move the more right-earned and little more gnarly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's kind of what we have here in Hinter Talks, which is making it challenging.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, um, it's been, of course, been up for probably four or five weeks, and they've had hundreds of kids gain on it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They had a comp there last weekend.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, it's been, it's pre-beed up, pretty big, but in that respect, it's good because if it wasn't like that, if this was like a perfect middle, of course, it'd be too easy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you want, you want to be on an easier side.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we want that sort of like a bit of a challenge.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, going into the season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just to test everything a little bit more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Put everything through the paces, but um,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Speaking of testing, you tried, we gave you some carb units.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, today to try out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What did you think of thinking about?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've seen it online, mostly through your channels and stuff, and looked into it a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: be I wasn't sure what it would be like.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I think I saw something recently, maybe you posted it about like how it'd been adapted to moguls.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, a few days ago you might have posted something.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because it used to just really, like even if you did moguls, it could tell you were in the moguls, but it would kind of judge you as a car of type CD.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and now they're changing it knowing that you don't have high edge angles, other metrics and metrics are actually more important.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so it's cool to say, like there's some cool features that we're out of look at, like turn tempo, different alignment things, yeah, like the corridor, the corridor, yeah, so that was that was interesting and pretty cool to look at.
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[SPEAKER_02]: As you mentioned, yeah, we looked at because there was myself the highest tempo I've seen myself get and I was definitely a little bit out of control, which is what I need to work on it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then your, one of your fasts around you had, I think 169.
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[SPEAKER_02]: 169 turns per minute, which isn't for us, isn't crazy fast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what's the crazy fastest we hit, like it also depends, like your turn, tempo depends a lot on the space of the bump.
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[SPEAKER_01]: to our velocity or speed down the hill might not change that much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, but if you have a quarter of us with a lot closer space in your turn tempo, past to pick up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you're on a tighter course, you'll be getting close to 200 terms in a minute.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, wow, 190 sort of our fast, fastest, unlike a normal course.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but these bumps, because these are big bumps, in a bit more space down, yes, 169 was,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think for that run, I was like, I was starting to feel like I was pushing the limit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I still, well, really didn't want to, yeah, with the work controls.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What I think is cool too, I don't know, maybe you get your opinion, but remember I said before, I said, oh, there's this guy on the leaderboard.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and you said, are you a nor am competitor?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you had a certain score.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then yesterday, you were probably thinking, well, if this thing's got any legitimacy, I should be able to beat this guy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So was that, did you feel that it was like, oh, that's kind of interesting, like there's got to be something on the right track here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I guess there's probably still some it seems like maybe it's the metrics at the moment lean towards mogul skis like competitive mogul skis Yeah, and really high scores.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, because I think the top two were the the two US norm level skis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so maybe they need to play with the metrics a bit to bounce out there working on it right now, but I was thinking about it because I guess it'd be hard to tell because obviously like
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[SPEAKER_01]: you're in a very advanced mobile scale in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, the rational, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but when you get to that competitive level, it's such a different, it's a different, but totally different, whereas you're a very advanced, technical, carve scale.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then again, you've got to TEDly get a well-cub level.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Paul, he's significantly better than you, yes, you would say.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's way better.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the metrics and the edge angle is why not be that just too dissimilar.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Correct.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Whereas our main differences in, like, Mohal scheme would be like, you know, how wide our corridor is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and turn tempo.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Which obviously isn't able to do it steeper and steeper.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, still be able to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I've each said to try to carve on different pitches.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, courses here and see what sort of scores I'll get on say.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I flutter higher tempo of course, yeah, because then, and then I, you know, if I go to an easy course and get a really high score, then obviously something's got to be, yeah, I think smart need to be tweaked a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was unique.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Pretty cool.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, experience.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, unreal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because I think the interesting thing I'm thinking about is like the world of skiing zippeline models is sort of small in terms of who skis bumps in in plays all around the world.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm sort of interested.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, to see where they take that, because, you know, if you ski this natural, big small bump change change, and those are going to be much different.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and you do a lot of different control and flow if it's all I'm like.
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[SPEAKER_02]: fast tempo, 169 turns.
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[SPEAKER_02]: For me, it like that's not going to happen or you're just going to be accidents on that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if you're on a super-saped old black rung with massive bombs, like you're not going to be doing that turn.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, because you'll be killing yourself.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I guess it's a, yeah, it's just an interesting thing, but I think it's, it's kind of cool that when
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[SPEAKER_02]: point a particular turn type into like the end of words like right you test it with gates and speed or down a mobile course yeah you know I mean what was interesting yesterday was as opposed to comparing you know
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[SPEAKER_01]: like the score I was able to achieve yesterday to like, to have seen and stuff, and like, yes, and people scan on different courses.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What was interesting yesterday was like, you know, I first did my, I did my sort of first run at like, a moderate to fast-dish pace.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Got my score and I was like, all right, I can beat that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I go again, try a bit harder.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and I was able to beat it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I can get above that again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, and so the fact that I was out would actually intuitively try and attack or run a little bit more and get a high score.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And some aspects, those metrics are working the way they should.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess it's the hard bodies comparing, yeah, like a mobile score and a mobile run to someone ripping covers on the ground.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, that's so true.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's cool, like as a coaching tool, the fact you can go there without a video,
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[SPEAKER_02]: you can kind of warm up and then you can also like over time as you ski all the different courses around with it and you start getting a sense of like what's going on with the score, maybe even if you see things like the parallel skis change or something and maybe the boots you have you've worn out the sols a bit and you need to make sure that the linements back and correct.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yes it opens up some like interesting things there to track.
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[SPEAKER_02]: with data like what's going on?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, it would be interesting to go to a different course and like say, I was able to achieve a 160 here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I go to Finland in a week's time, you know, like what does that course score relative to this?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then am I able to make, are my better runs?
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[SPEAKER_01]: like giving high scores.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, relative to them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's for you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, look at it the most.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, compared in trying to compare obviously apples to apples.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, like, what if there's a sweet spot, like, what if he undertooks is where you get the highest because certain things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And there's the bumps are close enough.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You can do it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But other places might be actually technically harder, but because so you score might be naturally low on
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, absolutely, everyone, yes, yeah, which I think is the thing I find tricky sometimes with it with the carving because someone might get this great score and then you're at a different resort where the snow's always good or the terrain's different and then it's harder and you can't get what they're getting because they've just got this perfect mixture going on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the global later board is pretty, it's pretty cool concept.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, it's I guess in that in some aspects
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[SPEAKER_01]: get it completely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's pretty accurate.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But a bit of a spoiler, like we can't say this, because they need to read jig things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But Matt pretty much blew the curve.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Lead a board thing like to the top.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There was no one had ever scored this type of score before you were the first one, which is cool, because
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[SPEAKER_02]: that the team were like, we want people who are currently competing at the like top end to be testing it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we can actually get everything calibrated.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's a good, it's a good sign that you're not being beat, you know, you're vlogging.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I could see, I could see, yes, that when I did, you know, my sort of,
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[SPEAKER_01]: more full-paced run.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then when you guys were like, what's the score?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I told you and you are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That excitement was really cool to see.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then also, I guess, reflected, like we said, like we were speaking about a couple days ago, being like, you know, I should be out of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: These are high-level North American Cup skiers, given on a woke-up scale.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if, you know, if I'm not bidding them, then maybe the metrics are a little off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I get think, I
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[SPEAKER_01]: I could see like, like on your own faces being like, okay, it's, you know, something's working in the rain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Way there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And real mad, I wish I wrap it up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you probably need to get up and eat some dinner and do it more stretching.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll take this day or two off out of the boot, so I think the weather's coming in, but
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's been good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've been trying to tell you stuff for a while.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we have.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's awesome.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We got to do it here and we actually got to go to this backdrop.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, what I know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's for, we've got a pretty good life, eh?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's one of those things that you got to soak it up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What's there, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you got to soak it up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and enjoy it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And as I'm getting towards the later on in my career, I'm sort of appreciating these sort of moments a lot more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, now that maybe 10 years ago, when you're just stuck in the grind and trying to get better.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, if you're my coach, you've seen my skiing, give me one to three things you think I could do to improve and maybe.
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[SPEAKER_02]: As you said, Tom, you should come into the A-bomb and I was like, no way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I need a little bit of mogul-specific comp training.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, what?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think for you, I'd want you to try and work on having that corridor a little bit more narrow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so to do that, you'd probably want...
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[SPEAKER_01]: like less edging.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And using your absorption and sort of steering a little bit more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You'd probably steer in the ski over the backside to try and work on that narrow corridor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's things you can do on the on the flights for that working like a
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's supposed to like doing like what you would call like short turns.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We call them short turns.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yes, it would.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Short turns are short swing turns.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's much more narrow like steed sort of style of turn.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Flatter, flatter scale.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Flatter, yeah, flatter scale.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Still the same sort of feelings and sensations that you would want to feel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But everything is much more narrow underneath.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if there's a balance beam, you'll literally just ride on the edge of that balance beam.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Doing that on the flats.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Corridor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then... Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then you'll be able to really start to work your absorption and going faster.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Once you get into that, it'll be about...
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[SPEAKER_01]: making sure you move faster.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What you're sure you can, but it's like, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's, uh, one thing I have, I have worked on that's really helped.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There, um, is like with the absorption, really when I hit a bump.
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[SPEAKER_02]: like not letting myself come down to it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's all like trying to stay as tall and strong here and the legs only come up, not me go down to my legs.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is that a fair?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, it's definitely a good point.
01:00:00.710 --> 01:00:01.632
[SPEAKER_02]: Ah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Any tips to make that better?
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[SPEAKER_01]: We sort of would, in our terminology, be like, like you're sitting through your absorption too much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And usually what happens when you do that, you'll, you'll bottom out too early.
01:00:12.597 --> 01:00:13.299
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay.
01:00:13.319 --> 01:00:15.943
[SPEAKER_01]: You'll, you'll max out your range, but you still got a bit more to climb.
01:00:16.464 --> 01:00:16.905
[SPEAKER_01]: Ah, and what?
01:00:16.925 --> 01:00:17.807
[SPEAKER_01]: So how do I fix that?
01:00:17.827 --> 01:00:25.341
[SPEAKER_01]: And what happens there when, if you bottom out early, you can't continue, you can't like sort of, I guess.
01:00:25.321 --> 01:00:32.574
[SPEAKER_01]: like maintain four momentum over the crests you end up in the skis or release off the front side and you actually get a bit of air on the little bit of air, pre put in the back seat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, how would you improve?
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[SPEAKER_01]: How do I improve that?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is it probably coming a little bit the bridging?
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[SPEAKER_01]: a little bit and also it's like, yeah, you really have to like you're saying it's like the absorption has to be measured to some extent, like the initial impacts where a lot of it is, but then like the absorption itself is a little bit measured, especially in big bumps.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So put so maybe if I put them in my own words, I've got to get used to like asthma approaching a
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[SPEAKER_02]: how much I'm going to need to absorb.
01:01:04.752 --> 01:01:10.098
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't use all of that up too soon, or I'm going to keep bottoming out.
01:01:10.498 --> 01:01:23.192
[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to be instinctively playing with tension and your muscle, so you're absorbing, but not fast that you're hip, but then it's a fine line, because then if you're too stiff, then it gets jerky and it's unpleasant.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think of as well like to the point
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[SPEAKER_01]: your absorption sort of becomes like a natural thing like a lot of people who aren't great mobile skis or they get into mobile skis recreationally struggle with the absorption because it's not something you do on the groom is really no um but once you like start getting comfortable in the arms you start narrowing that corridor up and taking a more like a line that's more down the fall line your body like will naturally and instinctively do it yeah it's how they stand that's like I mean if you think about
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're to jump off this little couch here onto the floor, you could do a pretty stiff leg.
01:02:03.347 --> 01:02:08.439
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but if that couch was too many as off the ground, you're naturally going to take that impact.
01:02:08.519 --> 01:02:08.900
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
01:02:09.280 --> 01:02:14.553
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I've put Ben out, I guess, have like the courage and the world to push the speed a little bit.
01:02:14.994 --> 01:02:17.239
[SPEAKER_01]: Like your body was sort of naturally
01:02:17.219 --> 01:02:19.583
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why step one's important first, right?
01:02:19.743 --> 01:02:24.871
[SPEAKER_02]: Because then I'm going to be naturally finding that I'm going to have to change your absorption a bit more.
01:02:24.891 --> 01:02:30.680
[SPEAKER_02]: Whereas the speeds and line I'm taking, I can kind of get away with, yeah, you can go away with maybe being a little bit more conservative with it.
01:02:30.921 --> 01:02:31.642
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Which makes you start to narrow the coral a little bit and just pick up that tempo.
01:02:35.789 --> 01:02:36.730
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it would naturally happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, for now then you would believe.
01:02:40.209 --> 01:02:41.271
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, no, I believe it.
01:02:41.391 --> 01:02:41.912
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe it.
01:02:42.032 --> 01:02:44.116
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I think I'm a firm believer.
01:02:44.537 --> 01:02:55.555
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, just what you said there, like as soon as you start for things something, your body can figure out, it's like, that's too big of a drop to just, I have to do something because I don't want to be jarring my back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.
01:02:56.797 --> 01:03:00.844
[SPEAKER_02]: Number three, I was thinking, there's a something maybe you can speak to this, but
01:03:01.921 --> 01:03:09.382
[SPEAKER_02]: like where you are with your rotational alignment, like on a separation down the hill is a big thing.
01:03:09.422 --> 01:03:13.213
[SPEAKER_02]: But I've noticed when I watch really good mogul skiers.
01:03:13.733 --> 01:03:17.820
[SPEAKER_02]: Like often when they're coming over a bump, their next poll is like so ready.
01:03:18.501 --> 01:03:25.191
[SPEAKER_02]: And it almost like reaches and your body, like kind of lines up a bit more straight with the skis.
01:03:25.272 --> 01:03:27.675
[SPEAKER_02]: So things look like they absorb more in a straight line.
01:03:27.736 --> 01:03:30.500
[SPEAKER_02]: Not, you know, when you see the classic twisted up.
01:03:30.981 --> 01:03:32.203
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you see the defensive.
01:03:32.283 --> 01:03:34.847
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's not great absorption whereas if you're,
01:03:35.030 --> 01:04:02.505
[SPEAKER_01]: aligned your absorption feels better and the right track kind of a little bit especially like a modest paste there would be like you'd want to follow it a little bit but generally like your torso is you want it to be and could just anchor down the fall on you get pretty much pointing down the fall on hold time yeah and the rotation and the regulation comes from basically a little bit like a footy version and I guess the angulation you would see from the front
01:04:02.485 --> 01:04:05.273
[SPEAKER_01]: is it's in some ways, it's like a...
01:04:06.113 --> 01:04:06.974
[SPEAKER_01]: It's almost not real.
01:04:07.134 --> 01:04:10.319
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you're like, hitting the bump with like a big knee angle.
01:04:10.339 --> 01:04:11.780
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because the force is too high.
01:04:12.081 --> 01:04:12.401
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:04:12.702 --> 01:04:19.390
[SPEAKER_01]: But the angle, you see from the front is the fact that you're in a flex, hitting the bump in a flex position and your hips might be turned a little bit.
01:04:19.410 --> 01:04:21.273
[SPEAKER_01]: And so you're not actually, there's no knee angle.
01:04:21.293 --> 01:04:24.137
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, there's not this angle that's visually kind of visually.
01:04:24.257 --> 01:04:26.099
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like an illusion, a bit of an illusion.
01:04:26.259 --> 01:04:27.141
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that gives you that.
01:04:27.501 --> 01:04:33.168
[SPEAKER_01]: But where you can really work on and when it gets fun, especially like big space bumps, like free bumps.
01:04:33.389 --> 01:04:35.952
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:04:35.932 --> 01:04:46.747
[SPEAKER_01]: the transition, like from one absorption, you know, if you finish those absorption rather peak, then in that weightless period, as you crest over the bump, that's really can really dive in easy in and get that angulation.
01:04:46.767 --> 01:04:50.372
[SPEAKER_01]: But when you actually impact, you don't want any angle, or I had pre-aligned.
01:04:50.412 --> 01:04:53.617
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the fact that you're engineering thing, that's just simple.
01:04:53.937 --> 01:04:57.162
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if you do that, that's, yeah, you're going to have some knee problems.
01:04:57.202 --> 01:04:58.544
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, even back, right?
01:04:58.564 --> 01:05:00.186
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's just something that's going to give there.
01:05:00.627 --> 01:05:01.568
[SPEAKER_01]: But generally, yeah, you're,
01:05:02.662 --> 01:05:05.306
[SPEAKER_01]: like your torso and everything's facing down the fore one.
01:05:06.108 --> 01:05:10.074
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you do get into a position where you're like, we call this like counted.
01:05:10.395 --> 01:05:10.615
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:05:10.836 --> 01:05:14.482
[SPEAKER_01]: Like if you're here in a right side turn, and you have upper body's facing to the right.
01:05:14.522 --> 01:05:14.682
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:05:14.702 --> 01:05:16.205
[SPEAKER_01]: You're a little bit counted to the turn.
01:05:16.365 --> 01:05:16.605
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:05:17.146 --> 01:05:20.552
[SPEAKER_01]: What that general results in on the next turn, you're going to be twisted.
01:05:20.532 --> 01:05:31.926
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so yeah, in the mogul skiing there is a point, probably at the more lower levels where that separation kind of down the hill is going to get you a little bit in trouble.
01:05:32.106 --> 01:05:38.113
[SPEAKER_01]: But if you're skiing a slow pace, nice wide, sort of carvy line, there's a little bit of like following on.
01:05:38.193 --> 01:05:40.416
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, otherwise you will get into that.
01:05:40.436 --> 01:05:42.459
[SPEAKER_02]: We sort of okay.
01:05:42.539 --> 01:05:50.168
[SPEAKER_02]: I got asked the bonus fourth question then about poles because I haven't talked
01:05:50.148 --> 01:06:05.507
[SPEAKER_02]: whole planning that I kind of don't like off and when things go fast is it's not the one that's planning it's the other one how do I how do you I guess we got in the band yeah yeah like and then it's like so slow and it's like going all
01:06:05.487 --> 01:06:11.919
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, we generally like like in Australia like out sort of arm and body position is sort of like elbows up.
01:06:12.299 --> 01:06:12.540
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:06:12.860 --> 01:06:14.884
[SPEAKER_01]: And arms sort of forums pretty much.
01:06:14.924 --> 01:06:15.785
[SPEAKER_01]: Amy straight down here.
01:06:15.806 --> 01:06:16.787
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe a little bit in.
01:06:16.948 --> 01:06:17.208
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:06:17.328 --> 01:06:17.649
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
01:06:17.669 --> 01:06:19.412
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, basically like relax shoulders.
01:06:19.552 --> 01:06:19.933
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:06:20.454 --> 01:06:20.554
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:06:20.574 --> 01:06:20.734
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:06:20.754 --> 01:06:20.955
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:06:20.975 --> 01:06:22.257
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't really want to be like hunched out.
01:06:22.317 --> 01:06:22.618
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:06:22.638 --> 01:06:24.441
[SPEAKER_01]: So relax shoulders and like,
01:06:25.130 --> 01:06:27.454
[SPEAKER_01]: It's to really just like a prep and release.
01:06:27.634 --> 01:06:28.074
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:06:29.156 --> 01:06:32.101
[SPEAKER_01]: But then do you think like is there like you've planted?
01:06:32.782 --> 01:06:36.768
[SPEAKER_01]: What you can try as well is like when you're out skiing bumps next time.
01:06:36.968 --> 01:06:37.188
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:06:37.409 --> 01:06:43.698
[SPEAKER_01]: And sort of like when you finish, say, a right turn, you transition to the left like raise and they sound a little bit and let it release on them.
01:06:43.718 --> 01:06:44.439
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:06:44.539 --> 01:06:47.364
[SPEAKER_01]: Instead of probably the opposite, which is letting it drop a little bit to it.
01:06:47.384 --> 01:06:51.610
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's something that helps people like if people are struggling to like transfer to white,
01:06:51.590 --> 01:06:56.418
[SPEAKER_01]: to the outside ski, you would do that as like a bit of a drill, you know, you lift that in son arm.
01:06:56.739 --> 01:06:56.899
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
01:06:56.919 --> 01:06:57.921
[SPEAKER_01]: I get everything over on that.
01:06:58.201 --> 01:06:58.481
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
01:06:58.501 --> 01:06:59.884
[SPEAKER_01]: ski and vice versa.
01:07:00.284 --> 01:07:07.496
[SPEAKER_02]: I actually noticed that in some like, maybe, I don't know, maybe it's state level kind of competitive skis.
01:07:07.536 --> 01:07:12.725
[SPEAKER_02]: You maybe they've learned that you can really see this deliberate thing that I guess as you get better.
01:07:12.745 --> 01:07:14.107
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a little old school like technique.
01:07:14.127 --> 01:07:14.228
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
01:07:14.588 --> 01:07:16.151
[SPEAKER_01]: We used to be called like the C-turn.
01:07:16.471 --> 01:07:16.752
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
01:07:16.772 --> 01:07:17.513
[SPEAKER_01]: But like real.
01:07:17.493 --> 01:07:21.460
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, yeah, I'm going down the hill, especially in like a bottom section.
01:07:21.500 --> 01:07:24.385
[SPEAKER_01]: There was an American guy who used to love a could Toby Dawson.
01:07:24.705 --> 01:07:25.887
[SPEAKER_01]: He was a big C-turn guy.
01:07:26.148 --> 01:07:26.608
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay.
01:07:26.629 --> 01:07:32.458
[SPEAKER_01]: It'd just be like with his feet after the sign and he's off of what he's sort of been doing with the channel.
01:07:32.478 --> 01:07:32.999
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay.
01:07:33.019 --> 01:07:33.961
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's a cool.
01:07:34.021 --> 01:07:34.963
[SPEAKER_01]: It always look pretty cool.
01:07:35.203 --> 01:07:36.345
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and um.
01:07:36.663 --> 01:07:41.548
[SPEAKER_01]: But in modern demo, it was nowadays it's like upper body head, completely still arms are still as possible.
01:07:41.828 --> 01:07:42.669
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, okay.
01:07:43.229 --> 01:07:44.070
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's the one.
01:07:44.090 --> 01:07:50.957
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna take, I think I'm gonna try a bit of, try that like inside, inside just, inside just lift it just a little bit.
01:07:50.977 --> 01:07:52.118
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just a little bit.
01:07:52.899 --> 01:07:57.383
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, you kind of want that release arm to not like drop or do anything.
01:07:57.403 --> 01:08:02.248
[SPEAKER_01]: And then often as well, people with pole playing arm when they're pole playing, we'll go.
01:08:02.228 --> 01:08:03.050
[SPEAKER_01]: Paul playing out wide.
01:08:03.190 --> 01:08:09.843
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes, you're going to want to be you want to be lined up right here.
01:08:09.863 --> 01:08:19.321
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's sort of lined up and literally basically the tempo would be like you hit the hit the bump you in fact the bump still prepped you're absorbing at the top of the absorption as you crest the bump.
01:08:19.922 --> 01:08:21.385
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's just sort of falling snow.
01:08:21.365 --> 01:08:25.271
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, do you have a train like no pole plant or like no poles?
01:08:25.532 --> 01:08:26.032
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that a good...
01:08:26.052 --> 01:08:27.114
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, probably not as much as I should.
01:08:27.775 --> 01:08:28.837
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's how we went out as a kid.
01:08:28.857 --> 01:08:30.800
[SPEAKER_01]: We did a little bit at the top level.
01:08:30.960 --> 01:08:31.341
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:08:31.361 --> 01:08:32.202
[SPEAKER_01]: Scaling with no poles.
01:08:32.643 --> 01:08:35.387
[SPEAKER_01]: And especially for like a ski specific camp.
01:08:35.768 --> 01:08:38.733
[SPEAKER_01]: Correcting sections, you know, you might have your poles sort of hold them together.
01:08:39.874 --> 01:08:41.477
[SPEAKER_01]: Just seem like a... Yeah, you're arm.
01:08:41.497 --> 01:08:46.725
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and that way, you know, you're trying to keep that upper body still stable whilst the legs do all the work.
01:08:47.006 --> 01:08:48.368
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but it is...
01:08:48.668 --> 01:08:53.235
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a challenge, especially if you're skiing a route like a top to bottom in their poles.
01:08:53.836 --> 01:08:54.817
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, of course.
01:08:55.057 --> 01:08:55.318
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:08:55.478 --> 01:08:55.819
[SPEAKER_01]: Hard.
01:08:55.999 --> 01:08:56.640
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:08:56.680 --> 01:09:04.151
[SPEAKER_01]: Your hands end up just flying around here, like that pole plan is like a third point of contact with the ground and makes a big difference.
01:09:04.251 --> 01:09:04.551
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:09:04.812 --> 01:09:05.012
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:09:05.052 --> 01:09:05.433
[SPEAKER_01]: Massive.
01:09:05.773 --> 01:09:09.018
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, even skiing, groom is doing big curve turns into no poles.
01:09:09.038 --> 01:09:09.679
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a little awkward.
01:09:09.779 --> 01:09:10.881
[SPEAKER_01]: Feels a little bit awkward sometimes.
01:09:11.141 --> 01:09:11.742
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:09:11.802 --> 01:09:12.803
[SPEAKER_01]: Unto you get used to it.
01:09:13.044 --> 01:09:13.144
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:09:13.164 --> 01:09:13.865
[SPEAKER_01]: This is much the same.
01:09:14.045 --> 01:09:14.806
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:09:15.047 --> 01:09:15.507
[SPEAKER_02]: Unreal.
01:09:15.527 --> 01:09:15.908
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
01:09:15.888 --> 01:09:16.930
[SPEAKER_02]: I've got some work to do.
01:09:17.210 --> 01:09:18.773
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing that.
01:09:18.793 --> 01:09:19.254
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll keep you up.
01:09:19.334 --> 01:09:20.295
[SPEAKER_02]: So I may really feel a little bit.
01:09:20.315 --> 01:09:23.260
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, if you start seeing that that's a bridge.
01:09:23.761 --> 01:09:25.003
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's for the two things.
01:09:25.023 --> 01:09:25.644
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, a little fun.
01:09:25.684 --> 01:09:26.606
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, all those things.
01:09:26.646 --> 01:09:30.493
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to I'm going to take that to heart and yeah, see I can carry it now.
01:09:30.753 --> 01:09:31.995
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
01:09:32.015 --> 01:09:32.937
[SPEAKER_01]: It's one of the things as well.
01:09:32.977 --> 01:09:34.960
[SPEAKER_01]: Like when I think about.
01:09:35.648 --> 01:09:42.176
[SPEAKER_01]: Like hitting the mobile, especially when this tempo gets up, you don't really want to like bury a tip into a mobile.
01:09:42.497 --> 01:09:48.244
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, at a high speed, because when you hit that mobile, like that tip is gonna flex so much because the mobile is sticking up at you.
01:09:48.544 --> 01:09:49.766
[SPEAKER_01]: Especially if it's a big, sharp bump.
01:09:49.986 --> 01:09:50.326
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:09:50.346 --> 01:09:54.672
[SPEAKER_01]: And it just causes all sorts of like errors and pressure spikes and stuff.
01:09:54.952 --> 01:09:59.698
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's almost like your, like this is a mobile, your tip might just miss it.
01:09:59.678 --> 01:10:03.804
[SPEAKER_01]: and glance at glance it and then the front part of the ski was still here at first.
01:10:04.004 --> 01:10:10.494
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and then that still gives you that like trampoline sort of shock absorber effect without diving that you've been.
01:10:10.554 --> 01:10:13.318
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, giving you the kind of knockoff balance.
01:10:13.438 --> 01:10:16.843
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, especially in a mobile course when it gets rotted.
01:10:16.823 --> 01:10:17.885
[SPEAKER_01]: and it's pretty aggressive.
01:10:18.085 --> 01:10:19.888
[SPEAKER_01]: If it's nice and slipped, yeah, you can dive it.
01:10:19.908 --> 01:10:20.909
[SPEAKER_01]: If you don't, yeah, okay.
01:10:21.070 --> 01:10:24.956
[SPEAKER_01]: And it sort of works through the fluff, but yeah, okay.
01:10:25.236 --> 01:10:30.444
[SPEAKER_02]: And so to simplify that, just not the tip of the ski try and think about that bit in front of the binding.
01:10:30.805 --> 01:10:31.065
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:10:31.085 --> 01:10:32.207
[SPEAKER_02]: We're also trying to meet for it.
01:10:32.568 --> 01:10:34.090
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know,
01:10:34.070 --> 01:10:35.492
[SPEAKER_01]: a foot in front of the toe post.
01:10:35.592 --> 01:10:36.132
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay.
01:10:36.393 --> 01:10:36.673
[SPEAKER_01]: Great.
01:10:36.713 --> 01:10:40.037
[SPEAKER_01]: That's sort of where that like initial sort of impact is and it's taken.
01:10:40.237 --> 01:10:42.760
[SPEAKER_01]: And then as you hit the bump, that impact sort of comes.
01:10:43.481 --> 01:10:46.604
[SPEAKER_01]: Often you'll hit the mobile, like your foot will be slightly in front of you.
01:10:46.825 --> 01:10:47.305
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:10:47.365 --> 01:10:49.127
[SPEAKER_01]: It would look like it would be if you'd frame it.
01:10:49.328 --> 01:10:50.269
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:10:50.309 --> 01:10:52.491
[SPEAKER_01]: But then when you hit it, that mobile was slow.
01:10:52.511 --> 01:10:53.052
[SPEAKER_01]: It was just a back.
01:10:53.252 --> 01:10:54.133
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay, okay.
01:10:54.293 --> 01:10:58.478
[SPEAKER_01]: Sort of like a, a little bit like a, yeah, like it was cycling.
01:10:58.498 --> 01:11:00.561
[SPEAKER_02]: Your foot comes down and your body passes over.
01:11:00.601 --> 01:11:01.261
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:11:01.281 --> 01:11:01.982
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a little bit the same.
01:11:02.142 --> 01:11:02.743
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, okay.
01:11:05.744 --> 01:11:12.052
[SPEAKER_02]: So, hey, if people want to follow you and see how you're going for the Olympics, what's your Instagram handle?
01:11:12.713 --> 01:11:29.355
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so my Instagram handle is Matt Graham on the school moguls and I'll be comparing in Milan or Cortana in the single moguls and the dual moguls, which is introduced to these Olympics for the first time, which would be pretty cool for the duals new.
01:11:29.335 --> 01:11:30.337
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, cool.
01:11:30.357 --> 01:11:33.023
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's directly the single mode, which has been the Olympic discipline.
01:11:33.183 --> 01:11:34.025
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
01:11:34.065 --> 01:11:38.215
[SPEAKER_01]: And then for these Olympics, for the first time, the jewel mode was his end, which is so that's pretty insane.
01:11:38.275 --> 01:11:41.462
[SPEAKER_01]: Very fun to watch racing side by side.
01:11:41.803 --> 01:11:42.705
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:11:42.825 --> 01:11:43.707
[SPEAKER_01]: It gets him pretty crazy.
01:11:44.408 --> 01:11:45.230
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, kind of a thing.
01:11:45.370 --> 01:11:46.112
[SPEAKER_02]: One question there.
01:11:47.493 --> 01:11:51.417
[SPEAKER_02]: Can you still win and you're not as fast as a person?
01:11:51.857 --> 01:11:52.518
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, okay.
01:11:52.538 --> 01:11:55.760
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's judged on the same in the same sort of way.
01:11:56.201 --> 01:12:00.305
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's judged on how well you ski the bumps, the tricks you do and your speed.
01:12:00.465 --> 01:12:00.725
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:12:00.985 --> 01:12:09.493
[SPEAKER_01]: But as opposed to just being judged by what you've done, based on like a criteria, you're more or less just judged against the person next to you.
01:12:09.933 --> 01:12:10.894
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay.
01:12:10.914 --> 01:12:12.916
[SPEAKER_01]: So the speed is a calculator thing.
01:12:13.096 --> 01:12:17.280
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, okay.
01:12:18.543 --> 01:12:24.695
[SPEAKER_01]: like half a second versus if you beat them by a second, like that the score difference is sort of calculated.
01:12:25.256 --> 01:12:33.492
[SPEAKER_01]: And then same with the turns, like you're like, I've, you know, the person on the left is a bit messier than the person on the right, the turns go to the guy on the right.
01:12:33.512 --> 01:12:35.837
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:12:35.857 --> 01:12:39.724
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a little bit more, it's a little bit easier for the judges.
01:12:40.025 --> 01:12:42.611
[SPEAKER_01]: In some aspects it is.
01:12:43.273 --> 01:12:44.195
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean they're probably a little bit.
01:12:44.677 --> 01:12:45.659
[SPEAKER_01]: They are less to think about.
01:12:46.120 --> 01:12:46.220
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:12:46.260 --> 01:12:48.045
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's also hard in that you're trying to watch two people.
01:12:48.546 --> 01:12:48.827
[SPEAKER_01]: True.
01:12:48.887 --> 01:12:49.308
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:12:49.328 --> 01:12:51.754
[SPEAKER_01]: And Jams figure out what Jams said doing and who did it about are.
01:12:52.035 --> 01:12:52.315
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:12:52.556 --> 01:12:55.223
[SPEAKER_01]: And that aspect it's quite difficult.
01:12:55.403 --> 01:12:55.624
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:12:55.704 --> 01:12:56.987
[SPEAKER_01]: You're not so much judging.
01:12:57.760 --> 01:13:15.290
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't believe they're judging a whole of turn technique or stuff like that, you know, dual moguls, they're more or less just looking for mistakes and yeah, if anyone's making mistakes, then obviously some mistakes, then there's no other than they're kind of like, right, we can go with that, that's going to be cool to watch every cool.
01:13:15.630 --> 01:13:17.794
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's yeah, it's it's much easier for the yard.
01:13:17.774 --> 01:13:22.100
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm chair expert at home because it's like a knockout thing every it's all done in one day.
01:13:22.400 --> 01:13:26.785
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's just like a seated bracket and it's just lost man standing basically.
01:13:26.805 --> 01:13:31.592
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's why there's still be some frills and spills I'd say and in the drill mortgles.
01:13:31.832 --> 01:13:33.114
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, excellent man.
01:13:33.134 --> 01:13:33.574
[SPEAKER_02]: Good luck.
01:13:33.895 --> 01:13:34.475
[SPEAKER_02]: Go Aussie.
01:13:34.796 --> 01:13:35.116
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
01:13:35.156 --> 01:13:35.717
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for having me.
01:13:35.737 --> 01:13:36.538
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no problems.
01:13:36.638 --> 01:13:40.403
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, and yeah, thanks for the time and thanks for watching everyone.
01:13:40.603 --> 01:13:41.284
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll see you next time.
01:13:41.664 --> 01:13:42.145
[SPEAKER_02]: See you.
01:13:45.010 --> 01:13:47.295
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I love that conversation with Maddie.
01:13:47.335 --> 01:13:48.398
[SPEAKER_02]: I hope you did too.
01:13:48.438 --> 01:13:52.948
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm really inspired to work on my mogul scheme after this chat.
01:13:53.770 --> 01:14:02.530
[SPEAKER_02]: I love always having new goals and things to think about in my own scheme to keep pushing it forward and keeping things challenging.
01:14:02.510 --> 01:14:12.464
[SPEAKER_02]: If you're the kind of person that also enjoys this and wants to improve their skiing, from carving short turns, mogles, all mountain skiing, I invite you to check out big picture skiing.
01:14:12.724 --> 01:14:23.539
[SPEAKER_02]: This is where I put all my efforts as a coach to be able to help people like you because I can't ski with everyone, but this is my chance to be your coach and help you improve.
01:14:23.519 --> 01:14:35.571
[SPEAKER_02]: So join the hundreds of skiers that are really enjoying big picture skiing, making great improvements, and I hope you have a great ski season this year, all the best, see you on the next podcast.

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