Stephen Ibaraki | Radical Curiosity: Self-Actualization and Leadership in the Age of AI

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When you program a computer, you don't have to go
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to get a degree from Stanford or an engineer, and
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you can just talk to your computer and it'll program.
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If you were to install or have somebody installed and
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clon on your computer, you could say I want this created.
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It can code it for you, and created it can
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create an application for it. A Microsoft, they have this
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AI foundering capability where you can have all of this
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autonomous coding capability. A GitHub which Microsoft took ordership over
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by STO open source community, they have all of this
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automatic copiloting capability.
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What if in just a few years, aging itself could
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become optional or AI could think faster than we ever imagined. Today,
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I sit down with Steven Ibraki, visionary who's advised the
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world's top CEOs and predicted exactly where AI and technology
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would take us. We get into resilience, entrepreneurship, and what
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really takes to stay human in a future that's coming
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faster than most of us are ready for. Miamis Fuctor
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Fleet Mall, the founder of Heartmine, is your co host
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for this session, and I am thrilled to be here
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today with Stephen o'brocki.
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Welcome, Stephen Well, it's a real pleasure to be here
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with you Fleet and you get an amazing background. You're
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definitely a servant leader, and you've made so many global
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contributions that are impacting everybody worldwide. So it's such a
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pleasure to be with you on your session here on
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your podcast.
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Well, this is the second opportunity of happiest conversation because
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you interviewed me for your podcast. You know, we like
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to start these conversations Stephen with a bit of a
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personal level, with a bit of a backstory, a bit
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of an origin story. And you've played such a critical
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global role in technological leadership. I'm curious how that career
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merged for you, whether you had a scientific or technological
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background and then moved into entrepreneurship and leadership, but or
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if you could just a little bit about how Stephen
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Iraqi ended up in the role you've been playing on
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a global stage for quite as many years now.
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Well, you know, my grandparents immigrated into Canada over one
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hundred years ago, right, were very entrepreneurial, both my mother
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and my father's side, and they built a lot of
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assets and things like that, and there were definitely North
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Americans that you know their citizens and really devoted their
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lives to the betterment of North America. But something strange
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happened in a way, and that is when the Second
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World War happened. My grandparents were interned and all their
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assets were taken away. And it's interesting my grandparents, my
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parents never complained ever, they never said this was a
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travesty or is an issue and things like that. I mean,
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I only found out more just on my own, you know,
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because you read about things, you read about history. You
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read about Japanese Americans, you know, serving with valor actually
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for the Allies, right and in fact being the most
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decorated battalions and things like that. So but they come
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back and their parents are interred, right or my grandparents,
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my mother was interned, and so that shaped my life
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in this sense because my aunts had a legacy and
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my uncles and things like that of service. So when
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they were interned, their education stopped. But when they got out,
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they decided to pursue different professions, but one of service.
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And that's one of the things that my parents instilled
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with me, was one of service. But what also happened
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then is when my parents, you know, were released or
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my grandparents were released, then basically they were penniless, right,
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because all the assets were taken away. And so one
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of the probably shaping things for me was when I
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was very young, what my parents did is they invested
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in encyclopedias. And I mean, that's everything they had. It's
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not like, you know, we were wealthy because the assets
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were taken away, so really any means they have, they
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invested in encyclopedias. But it wasn't just one encyclopedia was
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like one on science, there was one on general knowledge,
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there was one on language. There's one on culture. There
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was a series on fables and things like that. So
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all of these different volumes. So when I was really young,
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I just used to sit on the floor and just
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every day just kind of devour all of these things,
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you know, and it gave me a really breath of understanding.
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For example, the one on culture, it told me about
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other people in different lands and to respect diversity, and
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to look at the lens from the other side knocked
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from our westward side, right, So it gave me the
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capacity to kind of like a mirror neurons, to sort
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of walk in their shoes. And in fact, my parents
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would always say that to me if I would when
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I was very young, say oh, look what that person did,
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or you know, maybe be judgmental, and they would say, no,
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you know, Stephen, you have to put yourself in their shoes,
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you know, like walk their zentals and think about their
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perspective and respect and honor their journey. Right. So, so
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that was that's all I really realized when I was
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really young. And then because of that curiosity, the access
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to all of these encyclopedias and dictionary and things like that,
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I thought everybody had this. I didn't realize that. I
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didn't realize until actually I was in middle school that
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was actually quite rare because other students, if they had
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a project, they'd have to go to the library.
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Or things like them.
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So well, I could just use the encycopedias at home, right,
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But that is still curiosity about people, about nature, words
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and geography, about fables and the roots of fables and
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things like that, and also about science. And one of
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the things that my parents did too, is they brought
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these encycopedias that have updates coming in every month, and
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I remember being so excited every month when a new
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book would arrive with updates and things like that, and
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I would just spend hours, just literally hours and hours
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devouring the material. What it also did, though, is my
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parents when I grew up, as I was very young,
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and I would say, I can go to Mars, or
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yeah you could, or I could go to the moon.
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Absolutely, you just have to work hard and then you know,
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it could pursue any idea. So they never ever challenged
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an idea I brought out, you know, what what are
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clouds made of? They never or you know, or challenged
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any idea that I had, no matter how fantastical and
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big themselves. Oh yeah, absolutely, you could do that through
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hard work. So it trained need to also be kind
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of self actuating. So let's say I was curious about chess.
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I just taught myself out of chest just by reading
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THESS like compedias, because they had some If I wanted
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to learn about technology, I would just read about it
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and then figure things out. They gave us this self
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actualization kind of theme. You know, if you want to
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do something, just look into yourself. And so I built
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a computer when I was really young tan It had
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an expert AI at it as well, and it was
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it was a lot of satisfaction and keep in mind
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in those days in nineteen sixty five, you know, computers,
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nobody had computers. There weren't computers in the home. There
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was these big name free computers, but they weren't everywhere
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that they are today. So that curiosity continued. And when
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digital circuits came out and I built digital circuit based
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computers and things like that, and then from there that
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got me more curious from a professional standpoint. But I
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would say, it's really my parents and two of my
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aunts became nuns. Their education was stopped when they were interned,
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but when they got out, they joined the Catholic Church
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and became nuns, and they ended up getting advanced degrees
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as nuns and joined the teaching order. And it's only
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much later in life that I realized just how special
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they were, because every time I met a priest or
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bishop or something, and I would say, oh, my aunts
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are nuns, and I would say, yes, we know your
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aunt sister Catherine and Margaret. And that's because they were
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very strong. In other words, they would definitely voice their opinions,
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and they definitely didn't subjugate them in a sense. They
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served the male components in the church and served the
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religion and the Catholic institution. But they definitely did stand
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up for themselves as well, and they innovated because many
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years later, even though I was quite young still about
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many years later, they had this computing system that the
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Catholic Church designed for them, and they had this database system,
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and they would need improvements and they would say, Stephen,
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would you be willing to have a look, And so
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I ended up repairing or adding modifications to the system.
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So I would just look at it. They go, Okay,
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I could see how this thing works, and then I
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would serve their order where they had this computer that
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could manage different things for them, and so that's interesting,
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and it was interesting to see that they were really
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quite tech savvy. And we were using these small computers,
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my computers with databases and things decades ago, and so
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we're really quite tech savvy. And my sisters and my brother,
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you know, again always encouraging when I was young. So
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but I could do a whole podcast or a whole
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hot day just describing how nurturing the family was and
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how it provided a really sort of heartfelt positive.
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Error for it. Amazing. Yeah, what a good fortune of
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an incredible family background despite the challenges that your family
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went through with in terminent and so forth. Yeah, I
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can resonate with your story about it was your sisters
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that became nuns ants the ads your aunts became nuns. Yeah.
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There was raised Catholic in the Midwest and had nuns
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for the person nine years of my education. So I'm
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very familiar with that world. And you know, I grew
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up in a basically good middle class Roman Catholic family.
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We had our challenges, but there was a certain kind
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of dismissing. I think there were concerned I'd be a
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dreamer or something like that, and they were always, you know,
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forget about that stuff, focus, you know, And so I
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was a little dismissive there, but I didn't let it
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determ me. But also when you were speaking about your
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family being in an encyclopedia business, I guess my parents,
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you know, probably an encyclopedia sales when came to the door,
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and I guess they bought this encyclopedia when I was
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quite young. It was called the World Book Encyclopedia, and
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it was on a big stand up upstairs in this
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hall between all our bedrooms. All. I had three sisters
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and an older brother, and we would get new additions,
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like you said, you'd get updates from it, and I
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was fascinated with that. That became a whole world for me.
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I really resonate with that. So, you know, Stephen, you
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have as I read your bio, you know, you've been
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in rooms with the leading CEOs of the top Fortune
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five hundred companies of the world, the movers and shakers,
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the people whose decisions are really impacting our lives in
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the future, often decades in advance. And I'm curious how
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you see that world of leaders, and to one extent,
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leaders are really embracing responsibility for how technology is going
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to shape our future, and to the extent of perhaps
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they're abdicating some of that responsibility. Just you know, kind
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of a window into how that works from what we hear,
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especially with AI, you hear a lot about you know,
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these both companies and countries keep competing because if the other,
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you know, if we slow it down, the other will
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get ahead of us, and all that kind of thing.
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But I know there's got to be thoughtful, intelligent people
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who are you know, having deep conversations about these things
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and really try to think this through. So where do
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you kind of see that added, does it have a
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light side where there's some hope for wisdom driving this
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into humanity's future, and does it have a bit of
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a shadow side where the competition kind of takes over.
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You know, I'd be really really fortunate that all the
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CEOs and talk leaders that I've been, you know, I
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have encountered and have time to spend time with or
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engage with and even on a continuing basis. In fact,
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even last week, I have a regular meeting. That's something
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come from your master fund. There's a private executive working group,
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so you won't see a public footprint, but we mean
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privately and it's a CEO let fund of funds and
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they do direct investments in companies and things like that.
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And I was invited in to support them back in
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June of twenty twenty. And I meet every week with
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the founding chair or every two weeks. You know, we
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used to meet weekly, but owns every two weeks, but
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it ends up we talked for hours. So in fact,
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just last week we had our last biweekly meeting. His
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name is Dick Gautner. He's a serial fortune CEO. He
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sits on and has that on boards to some of
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the top companies in the world, and it belongs to
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the CEO leader Groups, Leaders with Purpose and things like that,
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and fellowships within Harvard, and he's the co founder and
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he's currently chairing the CEO Leadership Alliance, and he's the
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founder of the National Town of Collaborative, which is thirty
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three other leadership groups around the US working together. My
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experience has always been they're very thoughtful. And the reason
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that these meetings that are typically supposed to be half
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an hour to an hour end up being two hours
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is because the conversations are very far reaching and thoughtful
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locations and being stewards of the planet, positive stewards of
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the planet and of humanity as well. So there's definitely
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a heartfelt I don't want to say concern because I
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don't want to there's always a heartfelt thinking about how
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can things be moved in a positive way and address
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things in a positive way with positive outcomes. And my
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experiences with the people I interact with, I would say
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they're very much servant leaders like yourself, there to serve others,
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and they spend time serving and listening others, and so
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with this explosion of technology, they're very very aware of it,
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and in fact, the reason the CEO Leadership Alliance reached
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out back in twenty twenty was this is a group
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of multinational private CEOs and they said, you know, we
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have a taleledition. We're looking at addressing diversity and ensuring
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that the underserved. We can serve the O dessert in ways.
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executive working group, I said, well, how about AI? And
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that's because I always believe that AI was good. But
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some respects, maybe quantum is just too far advanced, even
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though now it's actively being in pilots and proop of
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concepts and things like that. But AI, even back then,
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actually embarked on an AI Talent initiative, our talented initiative
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and generally in stand but one with AI and now
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it's you know, they're working with high schools and colleges
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and employment and they're working with you know the city
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and state and you know, governments and things like that.
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serving with thirty three different leadership groups around the US,
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and so their perspective AI is what can we do
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How could it enable economic growth? How could it serve
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those who were underserved in a community. How can it
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help in healthcare to expand the capable in the reach
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of healthcare? How can it do biomedical innovation in a
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way that can't be done today? So it's always been
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what are the positive impacts that could enhance humanity or
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enhance the planet in some ways. So, and in fact,
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I just came back from a conference called YPO AD
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a lot of it's under NBA right is because there's
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some public things about it now so that I could
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talk about generally. But you know, YPO is an organization
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founded over seventy years ago in nineteen fifty. It's about
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thirty eight thousand chief executives, and then they have broader
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communities of partners and young wine geers, and that probably
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about ninety thousand, I would say, But it's the corus
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thirty eight thousand chief executives, and I estimated this is
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my estimation.
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this is my estimation.
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They do about twelve trillion and revenue across one hundred
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and fifty countries, employing twenty two million, and they have
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thousands of events they hold at the chapter level and
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at the region and even at global levels. But there's
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only really one global conference.
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And I participated in twenty nineteen, and I participated in
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Barcelona last year, and then I participated this year, and
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in fact I did twelve commitments. And a commitment could
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be a rehearsal, or commitment could be a planning meeting,
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but it did twelve commitments from the opening planary where
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I was on main stage to about an hour interview.
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Was it's supposed to be fifteen minutes interview and ended
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up being an hour the very very end on the
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very last day, which ended at four o'clock, and I
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showed up early for the interview and ended up being
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about an hour, and they posted on it that I
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did this interview, and they posted that you could see
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them on the opening as well. So in general, again
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I would say the perspective was very positive, you know,
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and the betterment the planet, the betterment of unanity, things
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like that, and how to embrace a technology in a
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way that could be beneficial for economic double allment job growth,
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you know, company growth, and also almoso a society looking
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at the vetteranment society and things like that.
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So major corporations often get a bad rapping society and
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leaders as well. And there have been some industries that
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have certainly perpetuated environmental harms and other harms beyond when
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the knowledge was you know that they could have woken
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up maybe a little earlier. But I've always been impressed.
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I read a book by Peter Drucker many years ago,
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who's a well known executive coach and leadership trainer, and
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he had interviewed many top CEOs and really top worldwide
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companies and he compared many of their qualities. He actually
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compared their qualities with spiritual teachers. I don't want to
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over romantic sizes or idealize it, but it takes a
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lot of training and accomplishment to get to that level.
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So these are thoughtful people, these are intelligent people. They've
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done their work right there. You know, you don't just
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stumble into those levels of responsibility. That kind of opened
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my mind about that. And I tend to be a
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realistic optimist by nature, so I tend to I'm not
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one of these the sky is falling kind of folks,
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good instincts, and fortunately you came with a really strong
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ethical background. And I think sometimes though, I'd like to
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ask two things about technology. One is that I think
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I concern a lot of people have is that our
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technological development is getting ahead of our emotional, moral, spiritual
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development as human beings, right in order to be able
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to have the context as a human society to handle
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these powerful technologies. That's one thing, But you also brought
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up their work on talent search and probably bringing opportunity
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for education to more people in verse groups of people.
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Technology is such a can be such a democratizing force
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and such a leveler like anybody today. I mean, you know,
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when I grew up in the nineteen fifties, you had
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to pay your dues. You know, if you're going to
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go well, you're were going to take a rocket ship
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to the top, you had to work your way through
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pay your due. Now, anybody who develops the competencies and
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the skills and the technological knowledge, they can really do
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and create whatever they want if they're willing to work
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hard and learn right. So there's a great leveler there.
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And at the same time, as technology is advancing that
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there may be some risks that we're going to have
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the technological savvy and then we're going to have the
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non technological savvy. And though that's going to create a
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biprecation in our world and our global society, that it
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may exacerbate already the divides that are there economically and
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socially and so forth. I wonder if you could address
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those two questions, one about how we can keep our
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human development and moral and spiritual psychological development, especially as
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leaders pay with technological development, and the other about any
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concerns you see about you know, these technologies kind of
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bifacating the world into those who are savvy enough to
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benefit from these and those who are are not.
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Yeah, let's do the last the second question first, and
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then you can remind me. But the first question, because
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I'm going to gather, I'm going to do it with
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lengthy set of top context driven answered. So initially, when
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you saw different kinds of technology came coming out. It
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was definitely a have or have not and that's because
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the cost was so high. So, you know, the cost
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electrify your home was cost initially and then it democratized
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where everybody has it. The same was true of phones.
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I remember when I was young, we didn't have a
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phone in the home, and then I remember when we
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got a phone. I remember when we didn't have electric lights,
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we didn't have electricity, and then we got electricity and
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things like that. And that's because it costs, right, So
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there's always been this limiting factor. If you had an automobile,
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it's because you can afford an automobile. And then it
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became more mass produced. So that was always this dividing
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line for you know, I would say over ten thousand years,
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it's kind of like you had the means, then you
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would have access to more advanced capabilities or better food
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or things like that. But that started to change with
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when you went from vacuum tubes to transistors, because transistors
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are much easier to handle miniaturized, and then they created
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a large scale integrated circuits right and then in the
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seventies and again it brought the costs down about the
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cost of computetail. So we went from mainframes, which only
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a few corporations could afford. We went to mini computers,
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which medium sized.
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Was supercomputer on your risk these base.
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That's right, and they're everywhere there. And in fact, every
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phone has some kind of computing chip in it, right,
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And I'm talking phones that are used in every part
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of the world.
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Monks.
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You know, farmers who are even at a subsistence level,
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they now have a phone and that phone has a
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computer chip in it, right. And because the cost has
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come down, So I think that's divide still continuing, but
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it will disappear because the cost of energy will come down.
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The cost so think of this kind of different layers, right.
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So at the very bottom is energy, and already, for example,
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in clean energy that China produces through just their clean energy,
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more than the total output of the US all of energy.
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I think it's maybe two acts, right. I'm not making
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a judgment about one country to another, but I'm just saying,
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so what that means is energy is becoming much cheaper.
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And there's this company on fusion I think it's called Helio,
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and they just did an announcement where they just did
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a major plasma breakthrough and they're targeting to have their
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fusion reactors used by Microsoft and their data centers twenty
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twenty eight. Right, So what does that do. It brings
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the cost of energy down. There's plans to put solar
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air rays into space. There's already floating solar air rays
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on water reservoirs. In fact, Thailand had the largest one
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the dam for in that area. It used to be
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something like forty five forty eight gigawatts. It used to
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be the largest, but now the other parts of the
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world have larger. But you know, you have all of
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this water and then they put floating a raise solar rays. Right,
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it brings the cost of energy down. You put it
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into space, the conversion rate is so much higher that
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it brings the cost of energy. Don't You could even
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put this kind of nano particle layer on top of
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existing solar cells and increase the conversion rate by a
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significant number, like in the orders of tens of percentage
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points higher. You can just proscovite which have a higher
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conversion rate. So, whether it's fusion and things like that.
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So this underlying driver of everything of energy it's coming down,
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which means the cost of production is going to come down,
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which means that there's more of a proliferation. And I'm
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not talking twenty thirty years from now. I'm talking this
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is happening in real time today. There's now shipments of
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what they call small modular nuclear reactors right where it
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used to have these huge ones required that we're like
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billions and billions of dollars and take a decade to
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build the things. Now you can build these small ones,
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and you can put them on the back of a truck,
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for example, where you can have one in your community.
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Things like that.
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They're putting them into near data centers right as an
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energy source, So the energy factor as it becomes more proliferates,
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then they'll drive the cost down. Because above above the
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energy is hardware, and the hardware could be quantum computing hardware,
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it could be chips hardware, it could be chips amalgamated
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into computers. But there's this kind of next layer of hardware,
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so energy coming down the the fabricating these things. I
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mentioned that we went from vacuum tubes or mechanical computers,
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which are really expensive, and they only had maybe three
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in the world, vacuum tubes, to transistors, to ones that
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have integrated circuits, to these GPUs that have you know,
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cerebras as this chip that has like you know, over
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a million transistors on it, right, So it's bringing the
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cost down or in the case of invidiots in hundreds
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of billions right of transistors into these systems on the chip.
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get into photonic chip. Since again drives the costs down.
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The energy to drive them is coming down. The miniaturization
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is bringing the cost down. The computational capability of these
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things is coming down. So if you look over the
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past ten years, an AI supercomputer be something like one
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hundred and thirty thousand, two hundred and fifty thousand. You
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saw in Nvidia come out with this spark cube. You
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can hold it in your hand. It has the same
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power as that one hundred and fifty one hundred and
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thirty thousand dollars as computer, but it's four thousand dollars right,
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same power. So again, this miniaturization, the costs coming down,
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the proliferation and that scaling is continuous. You've got this
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energy driver, you get the hardware driver. On top of that,
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I call it fabric. The fabric is the ecosystem, it's
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the cloud, computing, it's the it's all of the things
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that make use of those of that hardware. So I
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call that the fabric. And on top of that fabric
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of ecosystem and the proliferation of that is becoming more accessible.
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You can access that fabric now in the global majority, anywhere,
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in the global majority, in the under circummuter you can
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access it anywhere, and the proliferation is increasing rate. So
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I call that the fabric, the Internet the fabric, right,
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And then on top of that you have intelligence, and
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that intelligence could be robotics, it could be in AI,
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machine learning, it could be biological intelligence. And the realization
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there's computational tapabilities in biology at the cellular level, and
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so that costs that realization that proliferation is coming down.
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And then on top of that you have autonomy. So
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it's energy, hardware, fabric, intelligence, and autonomy. Autonomy is where
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you know, there's this controversy and excitement and inspiration as well.
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When open clock came out, this Peter, this gentleman, this
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engineer who had a great exit and decided you know
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what if I can create these autonomous agents. You created
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something called open clo its open source. They just got
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merged into open ai. But open ai is committed to
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keeping it open source and put a foundation around it.
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And Peter, but the gentleman who created this thing is
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now working open ai. But autonomy is this ability for
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you download it on your system and just does things
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for you on its own. In fact, there was even
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a social community creating called molt Book with these autonomous
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agents that can actually just work and communicate amongst themselves
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like a raddit.
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I read something about that.
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Yeah, yeah, I mean there's still a lot of human
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puppeteriat Cream, but there's some that are independent that's on
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that thing. Right, So that autonomy is going through the roof,
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so that those layers are compressing, and so that have
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or have not will disappear, and that is the costs
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will come down where everybody will have access. Also, when
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you program a computer, you don't have to go to
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get a degree from Stanford or an engineer and you
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can just talk to your computer and it'll program it
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right if you used open claw. I'm not advocating for
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the use open call, but I'm saying this is possible.
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If you were to install or have somebody install open
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claw on your computer, you can say I want this created.
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It can code it for you and create it. It
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can create an application for it. But Microsoft, they have
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this AI foundry capability where you can have all of
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this autonomous coding capability, a GitHub which Microsoft to go
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to ship over by sto, open source Unity, they have
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all of this automatic copiloting capability. You have open AI
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with coded their code. It's you know five point two
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of you know five point three just as their coding
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capability and you know Google, Geminar, Google Gemini and three
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point two and it has coding capability. So when I
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say coding capability, you just prompted, you just tell it
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what you wanted and it just creates it all for you.
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So so those barriers to creativity, you know, I can
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only go public on this because if you look at
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the YPO website and you look at the YEPO ad
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Sydney which was just a week ago, and there's a
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little bit about the opening session that Lucy who is there,
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and Lucy Guo has created the best business platform creators.
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But those creators can do a lot of things because
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they hit the technology seemless. It's hidden, you don't even
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know it's there today, so you know you can command things.
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So again, that means it's going to be ubiquitous. You
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don't have to have technical ability.
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You know.
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You realize now, you know, there's this poll maybe it's
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about a month old. For the first time in American history,
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sixty percent of Americans don't believe you need a college
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education to be successful. There's a realization that you can
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just get skills or can you get these skills? You
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can get it through the internet, through YouTube's videos, go
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through a coursera, these online platforms, or education, you can
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self teach. You can use your AI to act as
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the tutorial to gain expertise and skills. So what's the
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first time in history where it's flipped right? Or if
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you look at some of these major founders who have
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these deep science backgrounds and they're saying they're hiring on scale,
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they're not hiring based on their degree. If you look
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at the hires with an idea or let's say Google,
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I would say especially or maybe Microsoft and others. Now
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the top leaders they're not hiring based on your degree
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stack they're hiring based on it can you do it right?
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And whether you have a degree or not, they're hiring
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based on skill. And those skills are accessible, anybody can
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access them, and that proliferation of skill will continue. So
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what happens in the whole educational paradigm has to switch
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so that it becomes more self actualization right where you
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internal locus of control. You train people to be the
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driver of their future and of their enablement empowerment rather
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than dependency on the world and others and things like that. Right,
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But because this five layers, the energy, the hardware, the fabric,
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the intelligence, the autonomy is proliferating, everybody will have access
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and we just need to train people to become self
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actualizers internal focus and control where they control and they
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determine their ability to gain skills and things like that.
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So this switch has to happen, and that's where talent
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development and empowerment, that conversation has to change. So I
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said it wouldn't be a short answer.
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What if transformation isn't just about thinking differently but feeling differently.
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It's really amazing what you shared there, and you know
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you were just pointing to this need to shift our
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education paradigm around training people to internalize that locus of
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control to be self actualizers. I've been involved in prison
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form work and developing programs to help people who are
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incarcerated for a long time. And you know, that's kind
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of on the extreme end where often people have almost
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no internal locals of control. Everything's outside, often an impoverished
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internal environment, sometimes very negative internal environment. But even in
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the general population, I think we've been in culturated and
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for many years to depend on institutions, to depend on this,
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to depend on that, to not be I mean, some
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people by nature are self actualizers, and some people pass
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this to their family lineages and so forth, like your family.
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But I think that is a critical shift. And you know,
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probably our overall philosophy of education really needs to be
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looked at as a dramatic thing. And maybe that's part
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of the answer to my other question that i'd ask you.
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With what you're describing, especially the autonomy part of HEYI
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and where that's going with some people find kind of scary.
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How do we keep our as humanity, as our leadership
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but really all of us, and how do we keep
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our moral, psychological, emotional, spiritual development of pace with this
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technological development so we can handle it with wisdom and
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partner with it. Even if we are evolving some kind
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of autonomous intelligences, how do we partner with that with wisdom?
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Yeah, And I would say this ties into question I
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get asked all the time about how do we prepare
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our youth, our children for in the future rate And
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really that advice I give on that aligns with as
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how do we as humans keep up and ensure that
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we can progress and keep a pace of the technology
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and integrated in a positive ethical way.
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Right.
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So, and it comes down to some basic principles, and
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that some basic principles are practice reading and spending time
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every day on the edge and so that you get
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curated information about the positive impacts of the integration and
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how you can do this. And I can give you
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two resources that I'm heavily embedded in ACM Association for
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Computing Machinery. We are the largest computing science organization, but
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we're also a nonprofit and a lot of our material
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is open freely available. In fact, we just this year
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made our Digital Library. The Digital Library is the world's
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largest repository computer science knowledge. We made it freely will
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we open made it open access? Anybody could come in
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and access all of that curated information, and by and
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large it's all positive focus. As you said, Biologe, it's
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positive focused and that has ethical considerations built into that
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as well. Throughout right that largest repository. So the other
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one is I Tripoli. I Tripoli also has a very
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large repository. And both the ACM association with Computer Matiamery
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and I and then three e's I Tripoli. We're the
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largest science and technology engineering organization in the world. We
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also have all of this content that's curated both the
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ACM and the I Tripoli that we give out daily
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news feeds. And those daily news feeds are things like
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the ethical positive application of technology in this country or
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a major breakthrough that will enhance humanity, but there's always
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the ethical positive considerations for it. So so I encourage
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that is part of our new way of thinking is
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to embrace looking on the edge and spending time with
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positive new feeds on the edge, and that will then
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underpin and help to increase your substrate your foundation of
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ethical positive development of the technology and not being afraid
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of but being to embrace an integrated in a thoughtful way.
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And I'm just given two great resources Now one of
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the greatest founders in the world created the commercial computing marketplace.
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His name is Withod Coslin. He's a co founder so
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On Microsystems had a billion plus XIT has become one
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of the most famous investors of all time. I actually
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did a fireside with the ACM es actually computing machinery
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for an hour, and he talks about that. He talks
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about spending time on the edge, but he talks about
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noise in that edge. And I'm saying, if you just
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consume things from the ACM and I Tripole and another
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organization I FIP and similar national organizations, it'll eliminate a
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lot of that noise because it's curated right, it's you know,
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they look at it very carefully to make sure that
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it's for the positive and the benefit of the world
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and humanity. In fact, that's kind of like a model
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with an ultra belie by the way, and in fact,
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if the audience wants to I just did two interviews.
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One with the audience amedid who's the president of ACM.
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It's the top leader in ACM, who's elected by our membership.
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He's also a good friend. And look at the interview
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and look at his shape and his message, and it's
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all about how can we do things for the benefit
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of the benefit of humanity. What are the resources to
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do that, What are the projects we're working on, what
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are the fourteen working group task forces he's created. It's
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ACM directed, but it's really about for the benefit of
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the world and things like that. I just did one
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with Mary Anne Randall and she's the current president of
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the I Tripolie very thoughtful. Her history is about thoughtfulness,
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and so I incurase the audience stick a look the
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two top leaders of the two top organizations, who then
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are stewards of the two top repositories up leading age information.
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So that's kind of one rule, and that's a rule
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that I give to young people as well.
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Spend time.
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It's like these are things like apedias, you should be
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located out right. Number two is think cognatorial thinking. In
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other words, I just met a musician, but engage in
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that musician to be curious. Ask the musician all sorts
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of questions. I'm not saying I personally, but I'm thinking
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I'm a young person. I'm not into music. And let's
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say I'm taking the subway or something and then just
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happened to strick up in the person because they have
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a guitar on the back or someone as a musician.
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When ask questions, be curious, ask questions, and this is
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part of covenatorial thinking. Think of ask questions to be
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curious about this person who you have no common sort
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of training with. Things like that, and you'll learn that
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you expand your thinking. And then let's say the next
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time you see somebody in the they have a uniform
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on and they're in the military, but you don't know
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of anybody in the military, and to strike a conversation,
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be curious and to understand what that lifestyle is and
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that decision. What if the next time you see a
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nurse or somebody just coming off duty, they're quite animated,
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or they're they're maybe willing to even get ask questions,
724
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be curious about their background. Right, maybe the next time
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you happen to meet somebody who has happens to be
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a scientists, ask questions. Be curious because now you have
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these different experiences and questions of people with different backgrounds.
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Then practice combinatorial thinking. Think about how does my conversation
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with a musician relate to my conversation with the artist
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or the nurse, or the scientists or the military professional.
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What are things in common? How are they different? How
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can I combine these different ways of thinking into some
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sort of normal way of thinking about the world. When
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can you do that? You could do that in the
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morning when you're just waking up. Spend some mind mindfulness
736
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time thinking about cognatory of thinking. When you and walk
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you have to walk between yourself in a bus stop,
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or you have to walk between yourself in a park
739
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or something like that. Spend some time of course being
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aware of your environment and you know, being situationally aware,
741
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but also think in a combinatorial way. So so practice
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cognatorial or thinking. Also run experiments. So when you're curious
743
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about something and you don't know when it's about, why
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not run an experiment? Because so much of the creativity.
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After I told you that you Lucy gho, this lady,
746
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maybe maybe by the way, I should give you a
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little bit of background. Lucy Glow, who was on the
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main stage in the PLENARYA. She was coding when she
749
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was preteen, self taught. She then was building commercial applications
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as a teenager that actually would generate more income than
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the combined salaries of her parents and who were Silicon
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Valley engineers. And then she entered Carnegie Mellon and then
753
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accepted and took up a Theo Fellowship, and a Theo
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Fellowship is you know, rather than spending four years in college,
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I'm going to fund you to educate yourself and create
756
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a startup and things like that. And out of her
757
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cohort of her class, she was and of all the
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Theod fellows ever since then, she's the most successful because
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she co founded a company called scale Ai, which got
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acquired by Meta for about thirty billion. And then she
761
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created an investment vehicle called back End Capital, which is
762
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invested in over one hundred companies. And she's created a
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new platform capacity. So it's just for creators, it's a
764
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business plant, no for creators, right, So she definitely practices
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this kind of coulmnatorial thinking, being curious, asking questions, things
766
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like that, and this aspect of staying on the edge.
767
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Right.
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In fact, I have a meeting today with her just
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after this. So the remarkable individual. Oh and by the way,
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she made forbesless as the world's youngest female billionaire.
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And how was she when she became a billionaire thirty
772
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Oh my goodness, wow, and she's thirty one. Now, ah wow,
773
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that's amazing.
774
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Okay, so the equation hasn't finished though, right, So thinking
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on the outlier, cognentorial thinking, burying, curious, running experiments. So
776
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she continually ran experiments when she was coding, before she
777
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was ten, she was running little coding experiments, and then
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when she was a teenager building commercial applications, she was
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just running experiments. And a running experiment could be tech based,
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but it could be attending an event that's different than
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what you'd nermally attend a summit or farm, or a
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working group, or it could be a church group if
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you have a spiritual in a kind of Christian faith back,
784
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but it could be attending things that are different. So
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running experiments, environments that are different, talking to people that
786
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are different. Right. Then the other thing is networking as well,
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networking with people who are different than you, but in
788
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a safe way. I'm not talking about networking people who
789
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are not good for you, but you know safe people.
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So so if you practice those things question observing, experimenting,
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associating networking, comminatorial thinking, accessing safe information created information, and
792
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install that that with self actualization and you know, in
793
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turn our locus and control where you're in control, but
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accessing all the things that are readily available than humanity
795
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and all the things that consists of the global ecosystem,
796
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can progress in a safe way that doesn't stop bad actors,
797
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though the bad actors will always be there.
798
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Yeah, well you you're pointing to. I think what really
799
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is the most important thing for any of us today
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is learning how to learn. If we really learn how
801
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to learn, then we can you know, we can be
802
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continually pivoting and innovating and you know, figure out how
803
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to's and progress and self actualize. Really whatever is happening
804
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and world, whatever's happening technologically, culturally, and there's I have
805
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a friend who has a book, sous A, well known
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even Pagan, has a book called Opportunity, and he talks
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similarly about you know, look at lots of different systems
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and models and thought models and different things going on
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the world, talk different people, because the real innovations come
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because somebody recognizes, oh, I can take that and integrate
811
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these two and complete something completely new. Right, And so
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it's that diversity in our thinking and looking at different
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opportunity really arise as somebody who's got this very open
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mind and looking at Oh, I wonder if you combine that.
815
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I wonder if you put those together, how does that
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inform that? Right? And so I love everything you're saying about.
817
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How do we get that kind of thinking and that
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kind of how do we get that into our early
819
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education system. I'm sure there are projects going on, but
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in general, our institutionalized education systems are pretty far behind
821
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the curve in that regard. So how do we begin
822
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to train children to be self actualizers and make use
823
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of those learning tools that you're talking about, versus just
824
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sort of trying to incultuate them in the conformity of
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some kind.
826
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You know, it really starts with the parents, right, It
827
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has to start in the home. So it's a culture
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shift as well. So how do you create systemic culture shifts?
829
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And that's by having you know, like local forums on this.
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And there's a group called Computer Science Teachers Associations. It's
831
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something that was founded within ACM, but we're an independent
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it's an independent organization, So ACM Association Computing Machinery. The
833
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ACM initially funded this program called Computer Science Teachers Association,
834
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but it's an independent organization and they practice you know,
835
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this area of curiosity and combinatorial thinking and you know,
836
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taking control. Each student in this is taking control of
837
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their education, but teachers being a guide in that process.
838
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But parents also are family. So whatever family structure there is,
839
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or friends structure has to endorse and be part of
840
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that and that creates it requires a cultural shift. Now
841
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there's different parts of the world that are already have
842
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gone through that cultural shift. So the American experience, there
843
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are regions I mentioned the CEO Leadership Alliance is doing
844
00:47:24.119 --> 00:47:27.320
this cultural shift, but it's CEO driven, but they're working
845
00:47:27.320 --> 00:47:30.280
with teachers and parents, and they're working catered to well
846
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and superintendents and colleges and businesses. And there's thirty seven
847
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leadership groups that are working through this in the US.
848
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And the reason that the CEOs decided to take a
849
00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:45.280
leading this is so that because they have the ability
850
00:47:45.320 --> 00:47:47.679
to execute and drive at all levels, right, they could
851
00:47:47.679 --> 00:47:50.360
get the attention to governments and counties and cities and
852
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parents and their employers. So if they work across all stacks,
853
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so they have the ability to create this, how can
854
00:47:58.320 --> 00:48:00.800
we continue to get this to spread, let's say in
855
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the US. Then investigate the National Talent Collaborative, see how
856
00:48:05.480 --> 00:48:08.800
you can support the local regions, right, because the CEOs
857
00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:11.360
have to work with the communities. They have to work
858
00:48:11.400 --> 00:48:14.800
with the parents in those communities, the students in those communities,
859
00:48:15.320 --> 00:48:19.320
the employers and the government officials, the education systems, the
860
00:48:19.360 --> 00:48:22.800
superintendents of the high school systems, the things that they
861
00:48:22.840 --> 00:48:25.719
have to work with all of those. So go to
862
00:48:25.760 --> 00:48:30.840
the National Talent Collaborative. There's a website NTC search board
863
00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:33.440
and the CEO Leadership Alliance and say, gee, I'm a parent,
864
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I'm a family member, I'm a friend, how can I
865
00:48:36.960 --> 00:48:40.280
support this program? And then you know, and do the
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00:48:40.320 --> 00:48:44.159
local outreach of the thirty three leadership groups around the US.
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And because they're community programs, right, the CEOs are helping
868
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to drive it, but they are working peer to peer
869
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community right.
870
00:48:53.800 --> 00:48:56.679
Well, what you're pointing to in the theme of my podcast,
871
00:48:56.840 --> 00:48:59.760
which is called Raggy Responsibility, is that it's up to
872
00:48:59.800 --> 00:49:01.920
a lot. We really have to take ownership for this.
873
00:49:02.039 --> 00:49:04.280
So we can't. You know, we can watch the news
874
00:49:04.280 --> 00:49:06.480
say oh, this is happening, or that's happening. It's going
875
00:49:06.519 --> 00:49:08.079
to go here, it's going to go there. We're getting
876
00:49:08.079 --> 00:49:10.599
a very filtered version. I love what you spoke about about.
877
00:49:11.079 --> 00:49:13.960
You know, even if we are fearful about technology, then
878
00:49:14.039 --> 00:49:17.079
expose ourselves out there to the edge you're talking about,
879
00:49:17.280 --> 00:49:20.519
and to that thoughtfully curated edge you are speaking about,
880
00:49:20.519 --> 00:49:24.719
to these organizations and begin to learn, right, Because wherever
881
00:49:24.800 --> 00:49:26.960
all this is going, it's up to us. It's up
882
00:49:26.960 --> 00:49:29.119
to each of us, right, And sometimes I think we
883
00:49:29.239 --> 00:49:32.719
think that because the world is vast and systems are vast,
884
00:49:32.760 --> 00:49:35.840
and now the technology is changing so fast, we may
885
00:49:35.880 --> 00:49:38.519
feel very disempowered and feel like, well, what can I
886
00:49:38.559 --> 00:49:40.880
do or I can't do much? And somehow we have
887
00:49:40.960 --> 00:49:43.559
to make that shift inside of ourselves, each one of us,
888
00:49:43.960 --> 00:49:46.880
and realize that we can start engaging in some way
889
00:49:47.159 --> 00:49:50.559
just any start anywhere. The minute we start engaging, we
890
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start learning, and then we start feeling more empowered and
891
00:49:53.320 --> 00:49:56.079
less powerless. Right, So I think you're pointing they're really
892
00:49:56.199 --> 00:49:59.519
just really the key factor for the future of humanity
893
00:49:59.599 --> 00:50:03.400
is making the shift towards self actualization, towards learning how
894
00:50:03.440 --> 00:50:07.039
to learn, towards really embracing ownership and agency. But the
895
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world we're co creating together.
896
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Yeah, and maintaining that curiosity, but in a respectful way.
897
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And in fact, one of the things that your team
898
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did early is said Steve, we could send your list
899
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of questions and says, no, let's just keep it unscripted
900
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and we'll just have a dialogue. Right, And that's because
901
00:50:23.840 --> 00:50:25.960
I respect you and I want to engage with and
902
00:50:26.000 --> 00:50:29.880
I'm curious about your thinking. So if it's unscripted, then
903
00:50:29.920 --> 00:50:33.679
that curiosity will manifest in real time. And that's how
904
00:50:33.719 --> 00:50:36.800
you engage with others, right, don't script it, do unscripted.
905
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Talk to your neighbor, talk to the other parents, talk
906
00:50:40.199 --> 00:50:44.920
to your teachers. Engage and by engagement with curiosity not scripted,
907
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then you can co create in positive ways and with respect.
908
00:50:49.480 --> 00:50:51.000
Well, so we're kind of nearing the end of our
909
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time here. I want to circle back to just sort
910
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of entrepreneurship and entrepreneurial spiritual moment when you talked about
911
00:50:57.960 --> 00:51:02.559
what's happening with this latest gentrification of AI and you know,
912
00:51:03.159 --> 00:51:06.599
vibe coding and the ability to just speak into AI
913
00:51:06.679 --> 00:51:09.639
and have it to coding for you, anybody can create
914
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anything today just about I mean, you talked about the
915
00:51:12.400 --> 00:51:16.119
woman who as a teenager was already creating things that
916
00:51:16.239 --> 00:51:20.559
created economic engines that outstripped even her engineering parents, current
917
00:51:20.639 --> 00:51:23.480
selling exultant valley. Now she's a billionaire at thirty one.
918
00:51:23.960 --> 00:51:25.960
It's pretty limitless what we can do. I mean, it's
919
00:51:26.000 --> 00:51:29.599
just opened up creativity to such a level and how
920
00:51:29.679 --> 00:51:33.039
to how to really empower people to say, you know,
921
00:51:33.400 --> 00:51:36.679
I can just start learning about these tools because we
922
00:51:36.719 --> 00:51:39.599
all have creativity, right, we all have a creative spirit
923
00:51:39.639 --> 00:51:43.119
in us, a creative instinct, and there's probably no greater
924
00:51:43.239 --> 00:51:45.199
way to get in the driver's seat of our own
925
00:51:45.239 --> 00:51:48.559
life than through some kind of entrepreneurship. Yeah.
926
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And in fact, one of the recommendations because I do
927
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a lot of private events where I get invited in
928
00:51:53.800 --> 00:51:57.519
and it's typically to CEOs or investors, but they also
929
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often bring up questions about their children, and I know
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about the future. So I talked about cognatorial thinking, being curious, experimenting, associating, networking,
931
00:52:06.760 --> 00:52:09.840
things like that, Right, But one of the other aspects
932
00:52:09.920 --> 00:52:14.519
too is I also say encourage entrepreneurial thinking. And the
933
00:52:14.559 --> 00:52:18.199
reason is that entrepreneurial thinking encompasses all of that. You
934
00:52:18.239 --> 00:52:21.599
have to be curious, you have to do cognatorial thinking,
935
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you have to think on the edge, and you have
936
00:52:24.679 --> 00:52:27.920
to be agile and you have to embrace differences and
937
00:52:27.960 --> 00:52:31.599
things like that, right, and you're always constantly solving the
938
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problems in real time. Entrepreneurial thinking actually encompasses all of that.
939
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Entrepreneurial thinking also has this kind of Angela Duckworth view
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of grit. I'm going to give you my take on herve,
941
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so I recommend you go and research her directly, but
942
00:52:46.840 --> 00:52:49.480
this is my take. Right, So, you know, there's this
943
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aspect that everybody has some kind of let's call it talent,
944
00:52:53.519 --> 00:52:57.880
some abilities, and those abilities could be kinesthetic, it could
945
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be visual, could be auditory, it could be some combination
946
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of those. It could be emotional talent, you have emotional
947
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intelligence talent, or it could be the ability to kind
948
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of concentrate on one particular task in a very focused way,
949
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et cetera. It could be any mirriad of areas. And
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I think talent exists across a million dimensions and very
951
00:53:21.440 --> 00:53:26.039
nuanced ways in different spectrums. Right, So everybody has some
952
00:53:26.119 --> 00:53:30.159
kind of abilities, right, if you work really hard, right,
953
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some abilities, you work really hard to get skills, and
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then if you apply those skills, it can work really
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really hard, you'll get some achievements. And that achievement could
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be you got to raise, or you got some recognition
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from a colleague, or you made a fellow citizen you
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made them feel rewarded in some way. So you get
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those skills, you work really hard to get some achievements,
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and achievements doesn't have to be monitor it could be
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across the spectrum of many areas. Right now, with achievement,
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you then have to have resilience and agility and optimism
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and perseverance, and then you'll get whatever the definition of
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success is because it varies depending on the field, right,
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and there has to be this kind of self success
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of where if you're motivated and happy with where you
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are in life right or at peace with what you've
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done so but a big part of that is this
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resilience of perseverance and agility and embracing volatility as don't
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think of what volatility as a problem, think of it
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as an opportunity, right, and to be resilient and during
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these periods of uncertainty and volatility and persevere but with
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optimism as well. Those things encompass entrepreneurship. And by embracing
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those areas, then if you wanted to do a startup
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and be an entrepreneur in the classical sense of an entrepreneur,
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then you could be successful as an entrepreneur, and Lucy.
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Goal would be example of it.
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She embodies all of those perseverance you know, and optimism,
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but resilience and things like that. That mindset of entrepreneurship
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and startups also applies to the times where and now
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where you know. For the first time, I did an
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interview with a long time educational colleague of mine. We
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used to be professors in a college early and many
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years ago, and I just interviewed it because he continued
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his name is Richard Longworth. He continues to write books and.
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Things like that.
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But he gave me a statistic and so so I
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recommend you go to the Richard Stephen interview. But just
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thinking of reflect of what he's saying for the first
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time of gen zs are like nineteen ninety seven and
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a head right and PABA generation in what twenty twelve,
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But this is gen Z's for the first time. Girls.
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I think he said was this sixty percent or having
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anxiety And he says nearly fifty percent of bullies are
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having anxiety is because of this uncertainty, right, So my
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sort of feeling where maybe either extended Angela duckt words,
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I don't know if I have or not, but you
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should go to her original work. But my feeling is
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that resilience and that ability to be agile and persistence,
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you have to embrace that as well, and that will
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that how come back this increased anxiety to increase anxieties
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because of this uncertainty that's unfavo. So the entrepreneurial spirit
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and the startup spirit covers all of that.
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Yeah, you know, it's instingly about a prasilience with heartbine
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issue which I started in rights that lockdowns began with
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the pandemic in twenty twenty and we did our first
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online something on resilience called the Global Resaience on it
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because I had a sense but we really need to
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focus on resilience. And you know, as heart mind has grown,
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you know, the challenges have increased, and my I've had
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to continually raise my game in terms of my own resilience.
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Right and now with AI, I mean, we had quite
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a run for a couple of years during the pandemic
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a little bit post now AI is really just dramatically
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changing everything in the online education space, right and so
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we're really having to be innovative and pivoting and just
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be in a state of not knowing and trying to
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you know, see where where to go next, and not
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only how to sort of stay a pace with where
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it's going, but perhaps lead where it's going right. And
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it's really quite thrilling. There's been a few moments when
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I thought, oh I had something that's really working, so
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it's not working anymore, and feeling you know, but okay,
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that's ridiculous. This is exciting, right, this is exciting. So
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how lucky am I to be living at this time
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in life and to have the ability to jump in
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and play in this landscape and try to innovate and
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be creative. I mean, it's really a thrilling time to
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be alive. And it really is the resilience that allows
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us to keep getting back in the game, so to speak,
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and to learning and to be curious and to because
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we can even let all this kind of push us
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back into that anxiety and despair, even overwhelmed, or we
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kind of learned that maybe what you were talking about
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expose ourselves to the edge. You spend some time there,
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you get fascinated with it, you get it, you get inspired. Right.
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There's energy there, there's so much energy right now in
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the world in terms of how things are changing the
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levels of creativity and energy. And if you can just
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tune yourself into that, it's incredibly elivening.
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Yeah. And by embracing it, then you're embracing your internal
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locus of control. You're in command, right, rather than I'm
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being the subject of all of this external forces. And
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00:58:35.599 --> 00:58:38.519
people have much more control than they think, but they
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have to.
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Embrace it, right, absolutely, Well, this is I could keep
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asking questions all day long, but I know you have
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other commitments, Stevens, So thank you so much for this
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fascinating conversation. Are there some primary sources where people can
1050
00:58:50.920 --> 00:58:53.239
go to find out more about your work and your
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00:58:53.320 --> 00:58:56.480
podcast and all the interviews you do with fascinating.
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People, say, maybe you know, just type in Natripoli Systems
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00:59:00.760 --> 00:59:02.840
Counsole and then my name and then you'll see a
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00:59:02.840 --> 00:59:07.880
list of interviews that I've done. The longest list of
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00:59:07.920 --> 00:59:12.320
interviews is with the CIPS, the Canadian Information Process in
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00:59:12.400 --> 00:59:17.519
Society so CIPS, and on the community page there's interviews
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dating back from the year two thousand. The ones that
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00:59:20.599 --> 00:59:22.679
I did prior to the year two thousand are gone
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and that's when service changed and things like that. So
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what I've done now is I've taken over that from
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the year two thousand so that you know, the interviews
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00:59:32.760 --> 00:59:35.639
don't get lost and so on. So, but the oldest
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00:59:35.679 --> 00:59:39.639
repository is dating back from the year two thousand, there's
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over fifteen hundred. There's probably about two thousand now. I
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try to do about one hundred a year now into
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initially right, so that CIPS goes back to two thousand.
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I would say, I Tripoli Systems Council and you tug
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you my name, they go back maybe four or five
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years something like that.
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00:59:58.639 --> 01:00:00.840
Well, it's just amazing what you played with these major
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01:00:00.880 --> 01:00:06.320
repositories of computational science being now available in open source
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01:00:06.320 --> 01:00:08.599
to anybody who wants to beget exploring this in your
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01:00:08.679 --> 01:00:12.000
catalog and amazing interviews you've done with amazing people around
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01:00:12.039 --> 01:00:14.679
the world. It's all available and it's just up to
1075
01:00:14.719 --> 01:00:17.679
each one of us exercise our curiosity and access these
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01:00:18.079 --> 01:00:22.000
incredible sources for information. And I love what you said
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01:00:22.079 --> 01:00:25.199
as well, like explore a bunch of different areas of it,
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01:00:25.199 --> 01:00:27.679
because it's the connections that are going to inspire our
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01:00:27.679 --> 01:00:31.079
own curiosity. It's having that conversation with the musician on
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01:00:31.119 --> 01:00:34.719
the subway, or the person currently serving in the military,
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01:00:34.880 --> 01:00:38.000
or someone from a bray other. It's just exposing ourselves
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01:00:38.039 --> 01:00:40.599
to these different types of information and then letting our
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01:00:40.639 --> 01:00:44.760
brain do the work. Our brains amazing at connecting the dots, right, Yeah.
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01:00:44.639 --> 01:00:47.480
Yeah, exactly, as you mentioned night Tripole and ACM, and
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01:00:47.480 --> 01:00:50.599
there's I Fit as well, and then there's local societies
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01:00:50.679 --> 01:00:53.280
like kIPS out of Canada. You know, there's a lot
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01:00:53.320 --> 01:00:57.400
of open material available k and THEI out of the Netherlands,
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01:00:57.440 --> 01:00:59.840
et cetera. Every country has some kind of an association
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01:01:00.119 --> 01:01:02.920
or a series of associations where you can get all
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01:01:02.960 --> 01:01:07.519
sorts of curated information, your work, your podcasts. Of course,
1091
01:01:07.639 --> 01:01:10.840
you've done outstanding work and you continue to be an
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01:01:10.840 --> 01:01:14.239
amazing servant leader for the world, so people should be
1093
01:01:14.239 --> 01:01:15.840
supporting everything you do.
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01:01:16.159 --> 01:01:17.559
Well, thank you so much to you, and thank you
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for your time today, and thank you very much for
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01:01:19.400 --> 01:01:21.000
the work you do in the world. And I look
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01:01:21.000 --> 01:01:23.880
forward to learning more. Oh, thank you agoin taking radical
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