Practice won’t make you better. But deliberate practice will!

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I went up and did my best short turns, like as good as I could make them, and sure enough, you know, like 158, 159.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I would do this, okay, I'm gonna do it, I can do better than that, but I couldn't break it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't break 160, no matter what I tried.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Gonna try this, four or five runs on this, the exact same run, there was hardly anyone else up there, there was nothing to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I had to stop myself and I said, hey, I'm getting caught in the trap,
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[SPEAKER_01]: of going out and just trying harder.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like just going and trying harder doesn't work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That night, I basically got on curve and went and looked at the top short-turned people there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The biggest difference in mine and theirs was GeForce.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, okay, so I went out the next day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm bad at warming up, but basically I went straight in there, and I was like, okay, I want more G-force, which I know is lateral acceleration.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what am I going to do?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to make the ski bite harder at the end of the turn.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What move am I going to do to make the ski do that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, you know, I'm just going to drive my knees in more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just going to kind of edge more aggressively.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And sure enough,
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[SPEAKER_01]: bang second turn in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm throwing the beer cans.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm squeezing my stomach to handle it and I rode the bronco all the way down the hill.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But like when we jump into a zipper line, force yourself to stay in there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I felt ugly and I'm thank goodness no one saw me because I'm sure it looked ugly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that I pulled up 164 because I had the air pieces in and I was like, that's interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And as I thought I'd processed that more and I was like, that's awesome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Carve is just looking at the really important bit and that's the performance at the skaters no interface.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When you ski, do you practice or do you do deliberate practice?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And they sound very similar, but on today's podcast, you'll find out just like I did that there's an actual difference between the two.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Today's guest is Mark Sedrick.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He is one of the founders of the PSIC, the Canadian skiing structures association that's new over the last few years.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And he's also at the end of this season, the current...
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[SPEAKER_03]: 180 ski IQ leader on the curve ski IQ leader board for short turns, but not only that, he's right up there pretty much in the top ten top five even for pretty much all turn types.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So he is a master at everything and today we're going to find out exactly how he
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[SPEAKER_03]: worked on his skiing, how he cracked carve, how he looked at the metrics and points out the mistakes most people are making for every turn type and how you can change that if you really want to number one improve your skiing and then number two get your points skier queue higher up on that carve leaderboard.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was a really fascinating episode, it goes for a long time because it was so so interesting.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So stick around.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's tons of takeaways in this one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're making sure that there's a lot of value given.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm excited.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I've got the skis in Australia coming up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to be working on improving some things that Mark has suggested.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's enough for me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's get into the latest episode of The Big Picture Skin podcast.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm Tom Galley and you're hearing from Mark Sedrick.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Hey Mark, I've been wanting to speak to you after this season because you've had a great winter with carve.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like I'm sitting back here looking at my phone and the community leader board and there's this friend of mine, Mark Sedrick, at certain points of season you were number one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: for the highest ski IQ in carving.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You ended up number one with 180 ski IQ in short turns so that the highest that's been scored this winter.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I wanted to sit down with you and go, how did you do all this?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because I haven't really spent as much time diving deep into carving.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Today I really want to dig into this and you're going to give away, or maybe, yeah, you're going to help us.
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[SPEAKER_03]: figure out how to work on all the different turn types and maximize get higher ski IQ points.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So we'll hear from you around that later, but to help people understand who you are, can you answer that question?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Who are you?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Why are you like number one in short turns with the carves ski IQ?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, firstly, thanks for having me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, why am I number one on short turns?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think I'm very fortunate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I get lots of time to ski and I use that time very wisely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, deliberate practice, which there's some science to that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The tool or the instrument panel, which carve provides facilitates a feedback loop
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's shortens the feedback loop.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It gives me that what do I need to correct?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can go and try something, did it correct it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that continuous improvement Just over and over and over.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So kind of who am I?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't do a lot of these.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't really even have social.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So people don't know who I am.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When did you start thinking?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I started skiing as a kid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A young kid in Australia, my aunties took me down to the snow at Parisia when I was about 10, and that was it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I loved it from that moment, and it basically, you know, here I am, mid-50s, and I've never left the skiing industry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't always ski, you know, I went to, I was a skier, then I went into the business side, running ski resorts, and then I've come back to skiing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's a very short answer.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, well, where did you start out?
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[SPEAKER_03]: So you, Rani's took your skiing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: because I think there's an important message in here that's good for the everyday scale, you know, you're an Australian, you didn't grow up at a ski resort, you started skiing at 10, not three years old.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're still, you're scoring in terms of the metrics on carve higher than people that have competed at a high level.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So there's, I wanna dig a bit into that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So when did you start spending more time on snow as it becoming an instructor?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, other as soon as I could drive myself as like at 16, I think I had my own car right away.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would drive down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was doing a training ship, mechanical engineering training ship at DHP, and I started that quite young.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I had some money enough to buy a car and basically all, you know, university school holidays.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would kind of go down to the snow and I would drive down there Friday night, ski, Saturday, Sunday and drive back Sunday night.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was in Walongong, just north of Walongong.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was about five hours.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, so that was that was my passion coming through.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then of course,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I, yes, spend all of, even the holidays in Europe or in Canada doing different things, and I went through my, you know, instructor certifications very young, yeah, APSI, kind of level four, or there's only three levels back then, of course, you know, CSI, kind of level four,
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[SPEAKER_01]: went through the Austrian system because I used to go between Australia and Europe for four years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I raced with the local race club there as of our Sheffel, you know, and I did get to a fairly high level, you know, for a skin instructor, kind of into ski team and all of the likes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I skied a lot and had a lot of good coaching and I had a lot of opportunity.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was pretty lucky.
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[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Can you, are there any, no, were the mentions there influences maybe, you know, one from each country or something that you that really hadn't impact you think, even to this day, to just on your skin?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, totally.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was all Austrian.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So back in my day, the most of the Aussie ski schools were run by Austrians.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I, you know, worked with Roland Werner and Christian Klatsner and a bunch of, you know, manfred and all the best skiers were Austrian back in those days.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I,
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[SPEAKER_01]: would watch them and imitate them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then in the longer northern hemisphere, I would be in Chefal, in Austria, working my way through the Austrian system.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I looked like an Austrian scare.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was an Austrian ski, you wouldn't tell.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And even at the end of kind of the winter in Chefal, I would go to
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[SPEAKER_01]: Stubby, the town was noise-diff to extend the season before I came back to Australia to get a longer season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was, I don't know, it's changed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was all Austrian influence back then.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, because I mean, I see a theme in you knowing you're a bit of really liking figuring things out, problem-solving.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I know sometimes some people have trouble switching between systems associations because of the language differences, what they interpret, this other person is trying to get them to achieve, do you think you had a way, the way you think about things that that didn't seem to be a problem because you went bam, tried that system, passed the top level, tried that system,
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[SPEAKER_03]: and any insights around, do you get my question there?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because I think some people struggle with the problem I'm trying to help people with this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: People struggle with maybe not seeing things broadly enough to figure out, oh, it's the same.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is the slight difference.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm not sure I have a hugely satisfying answer, but if I had a super power in there if you're observing that, it was actually just my love and passion for the sport.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would think about it 24-7 no matter where I was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you're doing trail running and you're running down the trail and I was skiing the bumps or all of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So my mind was continually processing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, so it was there was visualization going on there as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now listen, it wasn't like trained visualization where you had a, you know, sports psychiatrist and you're working on this, which is, which we now know actually works, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can, if you're good enough at it, the brain doesn't really even know the difference.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But so I stumbled upon that just because of
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[SPEAKER_03]: Obsession.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My obsession exactly.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's funny because it makes me think of I can remember Maybe my third season in Canada in Silverstar The the date be over and I'd be in my little room that I'd rent my laptop was there and I'd fall asleep watching
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[SPEAKER_03]: Austrian ski technique videos.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Japanese ski technique videos.
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[SPEAKER_03]: your ability to improve and notice things in the moment and realize you need to pivot and change and work on something different.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so that's just cool.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I can totally relate to that obsession.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, something you mentioned in there is problem solving.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think both,
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[SPEAKER_01]: as a program or a computer scientist and engineering, mechanical engineering, it's all around problem solving.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it wasn't a big stretch for me in something I was way more passionate about than those two things to continually be problem solving.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you're doing the same thing
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that will drive you insane, you know, Einstein or someone said that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you need to realize that you actually need to change something to get a different result.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that can be subtle differences kind of with timing and intensity even.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, yeah, understanding and maybe we can get into a little bit of
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know the difference between play and purposeful practice and deliberate practice because I think that yes we'll get into the car but that will really help people if they can kind of distill and understand there's differences in how we train and the effects that can have on performance.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay well let's go go there right now because I'm sure people are wondering okay sure
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is, I think this is part of how you accelerated your curve scores anyway.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So let's, let's go there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So help us understand if we're going to go out and ski this play purposeful practice.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, help us help us out with.
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[SPEAKER_03]: your definitions around that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and there's no, there's not a good and a bad one here, so it's just they produce different things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So just aligning what outcome you want with the type of training you're doing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: is efficient so play plays the best you go out there just to ski you know with your mates everywhere the mountain is a white canvas all of that no better you know there's nothing better than coming in after a day scheme with friends on the hill so that's play right and do we slowly get better yeah sure
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, just through that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then there's when you're going out with a goal and you're actually training something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you're getting repetitions and and you know you're kind of paying attention to things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's not played.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's I'm training with some purpose, so purposeful practice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then there's a difference between you know skiing with some goals and looking at some
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, deliberate practice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a few things that are necessary.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One is, one, it's not always fun, because you're close to the edge of your limit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You need to add that in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's not always pretty, and we can get to that in a minute, but you've got to push yourself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're at the top of your
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[SPEAKER_01]: expert and timely feedback.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you can get that with an amazing coach, you can get that kind of through some video if it's timely enough, or surprise, surprise, what excites me about carve, it's supplied the mechanism to have me out their solo with the liberate practice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that
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[SPEAKER_01]: So definitely, that's the liberate practice.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, because being in the world, especially of online coaching, some of my students find the hardest thing is to, how do I get that feedback?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to ask someone to video me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So there's been suggestions, you know, Insta360 camera held in your hand, but that has limitations.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But yes, utilizing carve, which I'm gonna admit, I haven't used as much
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[SPEAKER_03]: my habitual way of training has been more through ski, try something video ski, do it again, look at video change, you know, based on feelings and a visual.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So this is really cool to learn a little bit more about someone that's really used.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Probably would you say how much percentage wise are you basing off car versus like video or anything else?
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[SPEAKER_01]: We used to only have video, and video, listen, video is fantastic, but you can't do it yourself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You've got to have someone with you and is it timely?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where it is, yeah, people get good at it and you can do it timely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, Carv is next level from that perspective.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sorry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was a question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Listen, I have the really good fortune of skiing with amazing skiers all the time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there is feedback there, but and no offense to these amazing skiers that have certainly helped me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Carve tells you the truth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: As in,
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[SPEAKER_01]: what the G-Forces are my how much edge similarity do I have?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What is my edge angle?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What is how much lateral force is pushing on my ski?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What is my turn shape?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, there are there certainly things in expert eye can tell you about your skin and there's something amazing about following great skiers and that's one of my favorite things too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Listen, I actually love following all skiers, not just amazing skiers and I
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, mirror a neuron.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I copy them often to figure out kind of what they're doing if their time ends out or how the skis react in and things like that, but selfishly it's really good to follow amazing skis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We just finished, you know, my last time on skis was about three weeks ago.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We had a PSIC tech festival here and we had some amazing skis from all around the world come.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some of them you've already mentioned on his pod
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[SPEAKER_01]: and I had the opportunity to follow them and just the timing and when they get the snow to push on them and that force, it's really helpful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But all that to come back to answering your question cleanly and with clarity, because this and this is only an end of one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the one is you, and the one is me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I know what I tried, my purpose.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know what movement, patent, and timing, and intensity I did.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have the instrument panel to give me a view into what actually happened.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I can, that feedback mechanism, I can change it again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's really hard to beat that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the 90% of my improvement this year, that's a good number, was directly through curve,
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[SPEAKER_01]: even though I am skiing with the top skiers of the top trainers in Canada and some of them around the world recently.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, there's a bit more fun sometimes in skiing with folks like that, but you were asking specifically on my improvement and the clean answer is 90% was through utilizing carve as an instrument panel and a tool through deliberate practice.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, and that morning
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[SPEAKER_03]: your in your mind, you said, I am going out to work on this and you stayed focused on that goal.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That kind of, would you summarize that in deliberate practice like a... Yeah, so controlling the environment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I'm at Whistler, so I'm based in Whistler, so fortunately I have normally we have great snow and we have two big mountains, but the best groomers are in the morning, so that is a predictable surface layer on predictable
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[SPEAKER_01]: and repeat ability comes from controlling the environment as well on that deliberate practice side so absolutely I'm out there first thing training in that environment so I'm controlling those variables as well so you know Russ Wood who who you know and who's one of us seeing your trainers and actually is incredible skier and trainer and
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[SPEAKER_01]: etc.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Extremely adept with Carve as well and spearheads and puts together a lot of the PSIC Carve programs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a bit jealous and he says you can use it like a laboratory because I'm not out there having to teach the public or work every day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do get to train
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, like a lot of the time, like me living in Australia traveling to places is often for a camp or to film some content and so my time to really
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[SPEAKER_03]: get that is sort of spread out in between.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll grade, I know my students are on the right path.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I can work on my own scheme for a little bit and then I've got to switch back over and check there going okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I guess my point here is if you really are trying to improve your own scheme, you do have to cut out that time just for you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Just like, as you said, with the right environment, set that up right, but it definitely helps having
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[SPEAKER_03]: focused your own time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Am I, is that what you're saying?
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[SPEAKER_01]: 100% if you, you know, kind of, you know, go to your best.
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[SPEAKER_01]: AI barter or whatever model and type in, you know, deliberate practice and what defines deliberate practice and it'll set out a bunch of criteria and you're like, oh, that's pretty serious training.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's what, yeah, it's what, you know, the world cup skiers are doing or the top athletes in any sport, a very specifically and precisely using deliberate practice to improve them as much as possible.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So at the end of this season, after coaching this group of skis, I take on about 40 people throughout the winter, like really intense, sort of focus training, give them topics, things to work on their send videos back.
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[SPEAKER_03]: one of the main things that frustrated me as a coach on it, just or I noticed as something they needed was constant reminder of, hey, I didn't say to go work on that thing that you've reported back you've worked on.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I said, go and work on this one skill or drill until you can see like edge rolls, for example, on a green run, and two you can see two clean lines don't stop practicing that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And they'll even get the video sent it in.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, are there two clean lines?
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, they're not.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Go back out and do it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So what I developed now, I've been playing around with it with Age of AI is on my app.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's actually at the bottom here, an improved skiing button.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so on there, you can actually look at, you click first of all, are your skis sharp?
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I started out with that, and then you can actually choose, I'm not sure, or know they're not.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And if you choose that, it'll give you only a certain number of things you can work on that don't require sharp, sharp ski edges.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So if you don't have it having to have it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: A ride to go through this, and then basically narrow down what's your focus, and then you click through, and you have to type it in, and then it goes right going work on it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then you click the next thing, and it goes, can you do it 75% of the time now?
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, and it goes, go back and do more.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So just this reminder, instead of me having to at the end of the day do it, I wanted something that kind of stopped people being so distracted, and just actually did this to liberate practice until they got a change or felt some differences.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I can give you
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know a story at the for me at the start of this year that I think kind of captures it you know better than maybe me trying to unpack at the the esoteric academic side of it and it's you know so I've been on car for about two years and I got pretty serious with it
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[SPEAKER_01]: and by pretty serious I mean really understanding the tool and using it last year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it kind of came out of the blocks running this year and Carve introduced all the different turn types this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you know last year they only had or last season or the hemisphere they only had Carve turns.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And now they've got kind of their short turns and the bumps and parallel as well in there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think there's even snowplow, but yeah you don't often go out and train snowplow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So here we are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I, you know, are short turns.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love short turns.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We all love short turns, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Short turns are the gateway to the entire mountain skiing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They allow us to ski steep, they allow us to ski bumps, so super agree.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The most versatile turn, you know, turn in skiing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, a drifted short turn, or a stator, whatever, right, is the...
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[SPEAKER_01]: the most versatile turn in skin.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, let's kind of get more on to the point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I went up and did my best short turns, like as good as I could make them and sure enough, you know, like 158, 159.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I would do this, okay, I'm going to do it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can do better than that, but I couldn't break it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't break one, 60, no matter what I tried.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to try this four or five runs on this, the exact same run, there was hardly anyone else up there, there was nothing to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I had to stop myself and I said, hey, I'm getting caught in the trap of going out and just trying harder.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like just going and trying harder doesn't work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was like, that night, I basically got on car and went and looked at the top short-turn people that were on there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the biggest difference in their metrics, because it's not really about ski IQ.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the metrics that drive the ski IQ and it's the metrics that drive improvements.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So spend your time there and the ski IQ will follow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a tidbit in the story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So basically the biggest factor there, the biggest difference in mine and theirs was G-force.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, okay, so I went out the next day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I'm bad at warming up, but basically I went straight in there and I was like, okay, I want more G-force, which I know is lateral acceleration.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what am I going to do?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to make the ski bite harder at the end of the turn.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What move am I going to do to make the ski do that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, you know, I'm just going to drive my knees in more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just going to kind of edge more aggressively.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And sure enough, bang, second turn in, I'm throwing the beer cans.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm squeezing my stomach to hand loop.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I rode, you know, the bronco all the way down the hill.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But like when we jump into a zip line, force yourself to stay in there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I felt ugly, and I'm thankful goodness no one saw me, because I'm sure it looked ugly, but I pulled up 164, because I had the air pieces in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, that's interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And as I thought, I processed that more, and I was like, that's awesome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Carve is just looking at the really important bit and that's the performance at the skita snow interface, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that skita snow interaction it had picked up all of that extra lateral force.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now I didn't have the timing
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[SPEAKER_01]: to deal with that or the my movement pattern in my timing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I force myself to stay in there and just through that I got a much higher score.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I coined my phrase that that I've used ever since.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You first have to make something exist before you can make it better.
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[SPEAKER_01]: right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I had to make the G4s go up by hook or by crook and I did, but I didn't look very good, but then I tidy that up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I got, you know, when I'm kind of absorbing a little bit of that pressure, my time in moving into the new turn,
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[SPEAKER_01]: a little bit more proximal stiffness, so holding my core stiffer, a little bit stronger pole plant, and then all of a sudden you get into where you can make low 160s consistently without getting thrown around.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what do you do next?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You do the same thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You make yourself in the belly again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure enough.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Over and over and over those stepping stones, you end up all the way through and in my case, kind of right through to 180 and yes, it wasn't just about G-force, but I will give you one thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: G-in short-turned G-force and edge similarity are the two biggest things you can do, bar none.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That would that will drive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're out there wondering what is the most, the biggest effect I can have on my short turns ski IQ, it is drive the metrics of G force and edge similarity.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you apply was to sprinkle some other things in there, almost throw out everything else other than weight release, edge angle, early edge and turn shape.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So they then they kind of
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[SPEAKER_03]: the, um, we'll just say g force, edge similarity, then there you go.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you need to continually drive more and more lateral acceleration, g force.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But you can't let or dilute edge sim, you know, there's one thing I do think we can, you know, if I was to give carve a recommendation, even though it might bite my own scores, is I think we can relax edge sim to the degree that they have it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, let's back to you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We could come back to that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, before we get on to that, because that's where I want to go
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[SPEAKER_03]: the different turn types with what you've figured out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I want to go back to, I wouldn't you say most people when you give them this hey ramp up g force and try just pressing harder and roll your knees harder and they end up on the bucking bronco throats, arms everywhere out of control and maybe even they're in a group environment too with other people that they look up to.
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[SPEAKER_03]: probably a common mistake here is they go, oh, oh, that was bad and they then they wind it all back to where their comfort zone is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely that answer.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So like now you got to remember Mark's story.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If you do that, now you don't do the existing and then refine it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're still, you're just going to live in this world with a ceiling, like where you were, where you were, like 159, 159, you just try harder, you know, kind of,
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[SPEAKER_03]: zone of skills, sort of like, yeah, ceiling of the skill, you have to get ugly and push it, and you have to be okay with that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let your ego go, perhaps.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And just trust the process, humans get better, like kids can't walk when they come out of the womb.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They fall over, they fall over.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then they, you know, but they don't have that worry of looking silly,
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[SPEAKER_01]: and you know, listen, because we are one of them, skin structures of the worst.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They don't want to look not tucked in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, this, this, you know, function before form.
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[SPEAKER_01]: you need to get something to exist before you can make it better and getting something to exist requires often to change and being uncomfortable and not looking like you were we revert back to what we think where we're comfortable right away particularly with an audience.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that you know there there there's the beauty in curve it doesn't it can't see what
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[SPEAKER_01]: other than down with what the most important thing is kind of hack down the boot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The skis in the boots.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That skis just no interface.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What is happening down there?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and you know, I've found that this year that there's there's went and even we have
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[SPEAKER_01]: We utilize Carve in our level.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just need to dilute a story a little bit here because people listen to this, they might put a few things together.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But we utilize Carve in our level four, not for participants teaching each other.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just got a jump in here for context because I didn't really introduce this mark is one of the people involved in the professional
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[SPEAKER_03]: that certifies skin structures to go and teach anyway.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So there are levels, one, two, three, four, four being, but the highest one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so what Mark is talking about is they're now beginning to use carve metrics and scores, I believe, with that process of examining assessing people, is that where you're going with this?
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[SPEAKER_01]: in a number of ways within our organisation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One of those ways is we have put it into our level 4 program and 2 out of 7 of the skin.
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[SPEAKER_01]: objectives, learning objectives, evaluator objectives, up purely, so carved turns and short turns, we do use the ski IQ.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So through that process, so I'm talking about instructors and great trainers and we've all been conditioned to a certain degree to have this picture in our head of form and where I'm saying I'm flipping that function proceeds form or function leads
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we have some individuals that have really grasped driving their metrics, which in turn drives their ski IQ, but didn't quite have the look potential some of our trainers are expecting and they would be a little harsh on it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, really opening ourselves up to utilizing the tool,
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[SPEAKER_01]: can appropriately, and with its power, there's a bit of cultural resistance there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we, as a species, you know, the instructor and the demo team need to move a little bit more towards the performance lens, not just the form lens and the function lens.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because you look at, you know, you look at some people that have, you know, never toured or never been in ski schools and they've been great races and they've gone through
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[SPEAKER_01]: and many of them are extremely powerful and very talented skier, but you will hear comments about, oh yeah, but they rotate and yeah, they don't emulate that well and at times it's very hard not to, you know, be harsh to that and say, look at the performance they're getting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, there's no, and don't get me wrong.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We all like to look tucked in and pretty.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But if you don't flip that script and you know, function first, you might never get, you won't get the performance that you're capable of.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So let the form thing go a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're now to come back full circle in our level for training program.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We had some of our trainers that still needed to not be so harsh with their eye and trust the process that the metrics and the ski IQ was driving.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it played out really well at the end.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that whole makes something exist before you make it better or clean it up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: really did work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So all of a sudden, you know, there's one individual I'm thinking of, super high ski IQ short turns, not everyone's cup of tea with the form side of it, we took that individual, put him behind,
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[SPEAKER_01]: one of our trainers that is an incredible at short turns.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He took the participant, took what he's been doing with his performance, just mirrored the trainer in front of him and everyone was just blown away.
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[SPEAKER_01]: As soon as he tweaked that look into look, because he already had the performance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was an easy stepping stone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that, to me, and I probably didn't explain it as powerful as the visual effect was, or that experience, but it was incredibly telling and incredibly powerful that we'll take into kind of next year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, we can jump into other, yeah, we'll actually have an organisation too, but yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because I think this is, this is a really, for me, and maybe I'm going to bring some
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think there's that function side and then there's the, I don't know if it may be I'd categorize it as form, but but style and and and and look and visual appeal, I wait really highly in my own skin and I'll try and explain that part too, because I get where you're coming from, but then I think also what you mentioned there there was this change after function was worked on and then.
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[SPEAKER_03]: maybe a flow-form style was added.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But anyway, if I go and watch, when I'm watching Instagram and I'm watching all the races free skiing, I have skiers that I want to ski like, even though they're not always on the podium and winning.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Sometimes they do, but I'm there looking at like, for whatever reason I'm drawn to that and I think that comes back to dancing, like dancing, for example,
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[SPEAKER_03]: you can get someone who's very attractive, doing a slow, sort of style of dance, versus fast, all these different ones, and is not just what they're feeding or even just their hips.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's everything, like they're their head, their hands, posture, and I think evolutionary speaking, like we've always had that in human culture, like dance and expression of through the body.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I totally get where you're coming from and I do see that part and I kind of wonder like when carve brings in the senses for the hands and the spine and the head or something.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You get, like I don't know if that's going to be detrimental or not, but it would bring about feedback on expression and use there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I hope I get, I hope I'm making my point here because
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[SPEAKER_03]: that part of skiing I love, I love it when someone looks amazing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like you said, this guy carved scoring him higher maybe even than some of the examiners and they follow someone that has a certain look or style or timing difference that's different to perhaps also what carved likes or is trained on as well because that's another thing I think
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[SPEAKER_03]: You got to consider his carve, have composed their metrics around a sort of an ideal.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They don't have a range of, well, he's an American style.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's a Italian style.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's just like, this is the top based only on performance.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So anyway, what it, yeah, I've always come to my mind.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, it's so, yeah, let me add some clarity here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we've been very focused kind of through your questioning on carve.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But carve is just a single lens.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the lens is a performance lens.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the style, and I think that's a great word and expression,
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it doesn't invalidate them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's, you know, the right tool for the right job.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you're going after, you know, on a predictable snow surface, performance short turns and carved turns, there's some clear metrics in there that we can agree drive performance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, how you get into the art of skiing and how people look and their style,
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[SPEAKER_01]: just as valid, but it's a different thing and it can be appreciated as much or more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I do think that having only thinking about it one way or the other, you're missing out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: because, you know, carve is not a skiing panacea.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just an instrument panel into some forces and what the ski is actually doing on the snow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The rest of it, the expression side is up to us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Listen, and let's be clear on this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can't go over your
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[SPEAKER_01]: go after your PB, your personal best scores on carve every day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is your delusional.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You need the right snow, the right light, you need to be in the right space, the right slope preparation to get it because that the integrity of the surface is material in how that plays out because cars very sensitive to
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but on, you know, on the flip side of that, uh, you know, having someone, you know, pick your favorite race at hell.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You watch, we, you know, if you watch a lot of World Cup, both Slylam and certainly G.S.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're all coming down within 10th of seconds, even close to sometimes, but there's differences in timing and style and looks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The performance is all there across them all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: But style is different.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And humans from an aesthetic perspective, from a style perspective, we're very drawn to that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So don't let our discussion on carve.
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[SPEAKER_01]: negate anything on the other side, both are very valid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The same way, listen to everything, everyone take what you want because the Italians have a different style than the Austrians as do more the countries from Asia and things like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that is subjective as well, that look or that form or that style.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's some of the
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where these other things, there's it's more open.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that comes back to, I mean, the two things I was thinking of, some of my favorite sports to watch have style involved.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I love watching like freestyle skiing, for example, even free ride.
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[SPEAKER_03]: mountain biking like the crank works where there is, you know, someone could do a 360 instead of a 720, but the 360 has this tweaked out-style slow.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe, you know, it hasn't got the, the more is better type aspect to it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's got this visual appeal that like the crowd might get
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[SPEAKER_03]: like where you want to take your skiing and carve is the tool that can help push you and can strain you down this road and not get distracted by your the visual look of things.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're going to come back as you mentioned, put that on, put that cherry on top, add that, that other part to it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, so there's that part.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then the other thing too is like where Carv is measuring your skin from, you always have to remember, it's just, it can't see anything more than what you're basically your boots are doing attached to your skis.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It can't even really tell like so much what your skis are doing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because your boots can kind of move almost a bit independent to some degree.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's some compliance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My clients in there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like the sister.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, vibrations is going to be felt differently.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, yeah, just maybe think of, you know, the day when there's just a hundred senses on your entire body and your ski and then what that system might look like.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, and that's interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have an opinion on that yet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't thought through it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I almost, you know, instinctively like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want Carve to stay in the lane of it's a performance tool only because you get down that is objective and then you get kind of like we touched on before who's to say you're trained the models on an Italian style or a certain style that's not necessarily better than another style it's just different whereas if you stick to the performance lane it's very defensible you start to get into the other side of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's not, but I will say this and listen, I'm all with you on style, you know, I've been a member of a couple of demo teams and everything like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't get me wrong.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to look good out there as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's very hard to work on your style in a carved turn when you can't carve a turn.
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[SPEAKER_01]: learn to carve a turn first.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When you get very comfortable with what you're doing with the skis, the feeling, the push of the snow, then you can start to play around with things around that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So first make it exist, then clean it up, then express yourself.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the mountain, this is a little bit esoteric, but this is how I think about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We are in a continual dance with the mountain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is a wonderful force problem.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and we solve that problem by having options.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the majority of those options are sold by just manipulating the ski in a few primary ways.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Whether that's we twist it a bit, we edge it a bit or we manage pressure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the blending of those three things gives us almost infinite options out there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The super-complicated bit comes in with movement.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The body is a system and how we move.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's where we need to be very careful jumping to movements if that makes sense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Understand how skin works, that ski to snow interaction, getting the snow to push on us,
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[SPEAKER_01]: in useful ways.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I was, yeah, so then my wish for carve and staying within the performance lane is I wish you could just tweak, say, within carving, they broke that down into four,
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[SPEAKER_03]: different carving types.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So for example, this would, if I've related to the racing world, this would be me as the coach setting a GS course that is very direct and straight.
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[SPEAKER_03]: and seeing and spending two weeks, skiing that until you get very good at being able to do it, and then compressing the gates vertically and stretching them horizontally, and then forcing people to ski that and who can ski that fastest because it's gonna take a different set of skills.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like at the moment, the carving score is only based on, at the moment, a particular basically race course set up
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[SPEAKER_03]: only not a varied one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think we all know that you have to train that varied one because if you do get out in the real mountain, the slope changes, the snow changes, maybe the direction where you need to go more left, more right changes and if you have an inbuilt.
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[SPEAKER_03]: happen of just one style then you're going to be stuck there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I wish it would I hope it would change like the Italian long-term, just to put a name on it that the Canadian long-term, the Aussie one, the Japanese one and you could go and what would be cool with cars, it's like if you're doing the Japanese one, these are the constraints and your metrics need to change to and they would be so cool because then it would force you to not
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[SPEAKER_03]: just work on one style metric if it then push you into working on another one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and obviously this is a podcast, but I'm smiling and the reason I'm smiling is humans are awesome, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Here we are basically, yes, cars been around for a while, but really they're only carved to for the last kind of few years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They started with one turn type only and we were stoked because it exposed something in skin that we'd never had before.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then last year or just this year, this season, they came out with kind of the five turn types.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, they don't even have steeps in there yet and all of a sudden you want all of these other things and I'm with you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So all I can say is, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: give them time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're all ready.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're doing such a great job, but I agree.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would, I would love to see, first of all, you know, living at Whistler and we have, you know, as part of the kind of PSAC, we have a whole big mountain pathway.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's teaching professionals to teach and keep people safe in the off-peast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, the Whistler Free Ride Club,
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[SPEAKER_01]: arguably the most successful free ride club on the planet, you know, like 167 kids are in there, numerous world champions, kind of Marcus from last year, Free Ride World Tour, came through that club.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's always, with the free ride.
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know kids right at the top so that it's a big thing the off-peast and the steeps it was there and I understand it's a little bit different from Europe because it's all controlled here whereas in Europe you know yellow runs and it's not always controlled so there's a bit more consequence to it but just that having a turn type that realises you're in super steep terrain and and that side of things so let's come
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[SPEAKER_01]: It would be great to have some analog.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we do some different types of carving in analog, like copy my signature.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Go out there with, you know, three of our best trainers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Look at the signature that develops.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So how it drives these metrics.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we've got AI models to get rid of the noise and bring it in and you can pick, you know, you can pick your
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[SPEAKER_01]: your baseline carved turn, all these other types.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it might even be the Italian organization, or the Canadian PSAC organization, or the APSI, or the Bayesian, or whatever in there, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you could do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I will say this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's come back to, let's use the center line.
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[SPEAKER_01]: On carving.
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[SPEAKER_01]: very confident with the metrics that I'm going to throw out here because I've been all over them kind of training these and running it through models and recording it and part of my journey.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, carving the biggest
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[SPEAKER_01]: driver you can have on your car.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The biggest metric you can propel to give you a higher ski IQ is G-force again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and it's an easy way when you go and compare the top of the leaderboard people to where your scores are and see the biggest delta because you can actually see their run.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So G-force is kind of worth twice as much as anything else.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then there's four or
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[SPEAKER_01]: But don't worry about doing anything other than focus on G-force, which is purely performance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we can break down what the scheme needs to do to create a bunch of G-force, and it's
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[SPEAKER_01]: everyone when you watch the higher G force turns that really understand skin will realize that's a powerful turn.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you can do that over and over and over right, when one turns and ends into the other, turn shape and turn closure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it rewards pitch so if you can get a bunch of G force on pitch because if it's not very steep you can't close your turn off or you'll lose all your momentum.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it turns shape and turn closure a little bit driven from pitch which is fair.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A higher put it's harder to carve or pure carve depending on where you're from.
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[SPEAKER_01]: um, on a steeper pitch that it is, you can take almost bear with me for the broader analogy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Anyone can carve on pretty flat terrain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You ramp that up to about 25 degrees, big difference.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You, you know, you go down to about a quarter of those people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You ramp that up to over 30
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[SPEAKER_01]: 30 degrees you go down to a handful of people you know what I mean that's very few and we have a run exactly like that at Whistler the saddle right we take People training all the time and carving and you and there's only a handful of people that can really carve a turn Top to bottom on the saddle it takes a lot of commitment there's a lot of G force so carving metrics G forces your number one turn shape and turn closure pitch drive that
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[SPEAKER_01]: a jungle and early edging.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you need a lot of edge angle and of course all of these metrics work together.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's very hard to get G force, turn shape, turn closure without a lot of edge angle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You need to progressively edge the ski.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you know what I mean when you progressively edge the ski on a steep pitch, as long as you're carving, you're going to get a lot of lateral acceleration.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to have to hit to the snow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then you've got to do it again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's the center line.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if we're looking at carving, they're the only metrics you need to be worried about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, you have to figure out the right movements, timing and intensity to, you know, so you can keep doing that over and over.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But they're the ones on the carving side.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So having ensured so far.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's what I would like to go to next is if we can go through the different turn types that you've figured out the kind of importance, like you're telling us here of which ones,
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I guess it's wanted to clarify, I guess I was just playing like the other side of the table just so people listening and watching understand that we both get that car was looking at things through a single lens and me saying I wish you could tweak it to these maybe different country styles whatever is just me expressing I know and you know that
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[SPEAKER_03]: versatility being out like like if next season you'd probably be so stoked if carving turned into two different styles and you had to then go on figure out what it was it's like oh it's less it's still G-force as high but maybe rotation rate has to change in the top of the turn versus the bottom and so you'd love that problem-solving part and you'd probably figure out a whole bunch of new things in your scheme to push the level so
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[SPEAKER_03]: We understand that carve is like constraining you, but the positive thing is that we're going to get into now is that is a very good thing Because it forces you to push the skill level up within that kind of constraint just like a drill does or a race course of a certain Like length and pitch and whatever does that constraint is so important and
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[SPEAKER_03]: instead of giving you too much freedom to express everything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I couldn't agree more enough.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've got an example, not only other turn types, but I'll give you an actual example.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So one of our learning outcomes on the ski side at our level four is more around a well-cut GS-estimate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we go to a super steep hill, and we want you to carve down here,
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[SPEAKER_01]: but it's too steep for you to carve, so what do you do?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You cheat the top of the turn, and it's at a very high level.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But carve, we can't use carve for that, because it doesn't reward or understand the stivet, that happening.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it would be great to go and do a bunch of great stivets, get a bunch of data, have that signature be an option you can utilize, and yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: OK, I'm going to work on my stivets.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And yes, of course, then you could go, well, what type of step it, but let's not get too detailed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The same as maybe a white past turn.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the same as one, you know, what I do tons of, and we should get into this later, is one ski skiing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I love connecting, you know, I think the best skiers are always connected to their inside ski.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No matter what, and it has a bunch of benefits.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And yes, we've been taught forever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it is practical that we scale on the outside ski, but there's a place in your competency.
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[SPEAKER_01]: journey where you need to use the inside ski all the time and you know all of those little things whether it's a white pass turn, whether it's a stivet, whether it's one ski skiing, if we can capture those signatures and have that as an option in car, then all the better.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you can go and train that versatility and adaptability you're talking about, but it's just not there yet, but what is there is incredibly exciting and incredibly useful
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's only a tool right now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, let's get into that right now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So if you're a car user or you're keen to maybe use it and use it next season as a training tool because you don't necessarily need video, you just hook it to your boots and measure it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Can we, can you go through, is it worth going into the parallel skis one?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because we've got, because we've got parallel skis carving short turns and mogles.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And Mark has scored extremely high in all of these, and he's used AI, chat bots, agents to help him figure out where the waiting should be.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So we want to pass on, and I think Mark said to me earlier, he's pretty confident almost bet his house on the fact that he could get your each of these turn types.
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[SPEAKER_03]: moved up scoring higher.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So how do we do it?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Can we start with Parallel Parallel skis?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Where should people focus on it?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And maybe if you can just remember that some of the metrics that people don't know them, like, what is it exactly measuring in the simplest way?
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, over to you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so, you know, I don't have my phone and car vote
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[SPEAKER_01]: My understanding, and I will say yes, I am very confident in the turn types and the metrics or the most important or weighted metrics that drive ski IQ and you don't have to
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a bunch there, you don't even need to focus on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you really want to just drive your ski IQ, but parallel is an interesting one to start at, because this is a poor framing of it, but it's a little bit the garbage collector.
01:00:08.539 --> 01:00:18.912
[SPEAKER_01]: When carved can't figure out if you haven't checked off enough boxes that it knows you're carving,
01:00:18.892 --> 01:00:24.818
[SPEAKER_01]: or you haven't checked off the parameters around short turns or it knows you're not in bumps or powder.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It will categorize you as parallel.
01:00:29.482 --> 01:00:30.724
[SPEAKER_01]: So parallel turns.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think there's some work to do here by giving parallel more love.
01:00:36.629 --> 01:00:46.519
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is one area, you know, I would love to work with
01:00:46.499 --> 01:01:08.355
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, at least in my experience, we have a good parallel, most recreational skiers have that tiny little bit of a fudge, whether it's a downstream or a little stem at the top of the turn, and eliminating that can take years of fine tuning with people, especially when they're only there one week a year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, that and getting to be able to ski steeper and steeper pitches while maintaining parallel skis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But that's not really how parallel is set up in my opinion, which I'm fairly confident of in the curve ecosystem right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's the least interesting turn type for me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I do think that's the lowest hanging fruit where we can make it more relative to those
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[SPEAKER_01]: to the folks that can't carve or short turns or pound moguls because that's what their turn types will end up in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But what is driving predominantly parallel scores G force?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they're again often when we're making nice parallel turns.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One of the beauties of parallel turns is you can try and do it with a very little force and very little edge and embrace the steering, embrace the drift, if that makes sense.
01:02:06.287 --> 01:02:13.560
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, to throw a huge lateral acceleration in there as probably the biggest driver of a parallel turn.
01:02:13.827 --> 01:02:15.070
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I completely, and I'm on board with that.
01:02:17.655 --> 01:02:23.126
[SPEAKER_01]: But jeep force, edge sim, weight release, turn shape, and pitch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So pitch is in there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're the ones that, you know, and I, I'm pretty sure I'm over 170 on my parallel turns.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and it's from driving those things and yeah for me the hardest thing for me when I'm playing around with my parallel turns is for carve not to pick it up as a carve turn because there's quite a bit of
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[SPEAKER_01]: give or tolerance to a carved turn.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I actually wouldn't okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Carve will pick up a non pure carved turn as carving.
01:03:01.544 --> 01:03:07.619
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's all around your parameters, you know, which is their roots and where they came from and people love it.
01:03:07.639 --> 01:03:09.383
[SPEAKER_01]: So if it's a motivational tool,
01:03:09.363 --> 01:03:15.510
[SPEAKER_01]: Who am I to say, you know, if I don't see two clean lines in the snow, it's not a carved turn.
01:03:15.951 --> 01:03:18.694
[SPEAKER_01]: Where is the gray area before its parallel?
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[SPEAKER_01]: But certainly there's quite a bit of forgiveness on the carved turn side of things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Which might be just fine.
01:03:27.865 --> 01:03:29.246
[SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, that's what's driving.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're out there and you want higher parallel turns, go after G-force, edge sim, weight release, pitch and turn shape.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And is there anything you have to kind of change?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because that's very similar to carving.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like would you, would it be a simple thing to be?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the difficulty there is if you go less than three meter corridor, it will pass the fire you as a short turn.
01:04:02.786 --> 01:04:04.868
[SPEAKER_01]: So it acts to all if you
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[SPEAKER_01]: pick up your tempo to greater than around 45 turns per minute.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It will classify it as a short turn.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So hence, parallel skiing or turn type is when you don't check off these other things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I won't go as far to say, there's a bit of fudge in involved to get to parallel turns, but certainly you have to stay out of the carving bucket, the short turns bucket, the motor's bucket,
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[SPEAKER_03]: The garbage collector, I like that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, but yeah, let's move on, because it sounds like that one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the my least interesting turn, which I think we have the most room for improvement, which I would love to help with.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, yeah, I would agree, because if I also think just before we move on to carving your tips for...
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[SPEAKER_03]: getting the best carve ski IQ.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The parallel turn, I'll often teach that to someone, maybe they're good at carving, but all they do is go really fast down the hill.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And they need like a speed control type turn or a cruising type.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Turn like I'm thinking of this is this is the turn type.
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[SPEAKER_03]: that I imagine when I'm 90 years old and still seeing, that's what I'm doing because it feels wonderful.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's not hard on my body.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's got a beautiful look to it, lovely turn shape, but in my mind, it's how I stay in control, even on the steepest run, possibly, and it's not hard, like heart rate intensive because it's a short turn.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, in my opinion, the most difficult turn in skin is a high performance stead turn, where you
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's really easy to what I call, you know, you're just the platform angle to that catch point where you carve a turn, staying just on the drifted side of that catch point is really difficult and that that is a beautiful turn and that's the turn you're talking about because you can get rid of a bunch of forces because the ski doesn't lock up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: but it's still grippy and you can manipulate that grip and how the snow is pushing back on you continually.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where to adjust how the snow pushes back on you in a carved turn, it is very limited.
01:06:26.895 --> 01:06:31.360
[SPEAKER_01]: You need to use ski design only to do that, right?
01:06:31.340 --> 01:06:48.245
[SPEAKER_01]: In the turn you're talking about, that is not just the, I think the most beautiful turn in skiing, it is probably to execute precisely the most difficult, but on the way to getting there, it's the most versatile as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Other than, you know, you throw kind of, you need to get that short turn into that, you know, stage short turn as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, no, I agree.
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[SPEAKER_03]: back to me, you know, at night on YouTube, watching videos to fall asleep to the Austrian demonstrators like Martin Guggenig and his basic parallel and richy burger.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And if you look these people up and look at some of their old videos and you'll see them not leaving pure lines or putting their hip to the snow.
01:07:19.064 --> 01:07:21.748
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe 45 degrees of edge angle.
01:07:22.336 --> 01:07:28.769
[SPEAKER_03]: but it is just like this mesmerising touch on the snow in incredible skiing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Tom, that is my era.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is a straight ski era and we didn't have the side cut to play with.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that was the, you know, how we
01:07:40.426 --> 01:08:02.569
[SPEAKER_01]: the attitude that we placed the ski against our line of momentum or line of travel is how we got that right like and you can't get the edge angles on those skis that we do on the modern high radius skis because the ski doesn't come around fast enough to catch you from falling over.
01:08:02.549 --> 01:08:29.299
[SPEAKER_01]: if you put your hip to the snow you won't see any of those those skiers on those skis with their hip to the snow like the Hollywood Instagram folks we see out there all the time right now but they're lies the beauty in manipulating that tool just right on the turn type you're talking about yeah that was my era this is my second time around learning to ski with shape skis so
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just want to say to the people out there listening and watching that, you know, maybe your 40s, over 40s, 50s, 60 year old, like chasing the hip to snow high intensity carved turn is quite demanding on your body.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But if you listen to what Mark and I say and you trust in that chasing this beautiful parallel turn is also a gotts not out there on Instagram and YouTube as the sexy thing to do.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So you might not even be aware of it, right Mark?
01:09:01.599 --> 01:09:02.180
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is, I'm, I'm encouraging now.
01:09:04.723 --> 01:09:11.350
[SPEAKER_03]: We would both go out like I'd be happy Mark to go and spend an entire day and I would have a great time trying to work on this.
01:09:11.410 --> 01:09:15.975
[SPEAKER_03]: Would you agree, even though we can both do hip-to-snow cranking turns?
01:09:16.259 --> 01:09:19.883
[SPEAKER_03]: It still is rewarding and so for those people, you don't have to break it back.
01:09:19.923 --> 01:09:21.044
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't have to hurt your knees.
01:09:21.364 --> 01:09:31.714
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't have to go scary fast to find enjoyment in refinement of your skiing if you sort of choose this parallel basic pattern.
01:09:31.734 --> 01:09:35.237
[SPEAKER_01]: And we'll come back to the different turn types because I know we're still in the first one.
01:09:35.277 --> 01:09:42.064
[SPEAKER_01]: But I just want to touch on that for, you know, the audience and agree with you Tom.
01:09:43.782 --> 01:09:56.121
[SPEAKER_01]: Just you know, broadening our lens kind of away from carve and away from the performance thing for a minute, you know, I've had the really, really good fortune and actually should have brought it up earlier with that deliberate practice.
01:09:57.063 --> 01:10:06.437
[SPEAKER_01]: Within our, you know, the PSIC, our training organization, we have the luxury and good fortune of working with Dr. Edward Cambridge.
01:10:06.457 --> 01:10:22.902
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a bio-mechanist, so PhD in bio-mechanics is a movement specialist, has his own spinal abin Toronto, flies around the world, lecturing to surgeons and, you know, physios on movement and all of that next spine pelvis.
01:10:22.882 --> 01:10:37.425
[SPEAKER_01]: you should, now this is going to be quite technical, have him on your podcast to talk through movement and all of the opinions which aren't necessarily first principles around movement in skin.
01:10:37.806 --> 01:10:40.570
[SPEAKER_01]: So why did I kind of frame and introduce him up?
01:10:40.550 --> 01:10:58.329
[SPEAKER_01]: because, you know, within our technical stack, now this is kind of behind the scenes, we've come up, or he's come up with a bunch of movement principles that help us as trainers and coaches understand how the body moves to create better movement choices at the ski to snow interaction.
01:10:58.749 --> 01:11:04.475
[SPEAKER_01]: So get beyond kind of the form-based coaching, and one of them is dynamic balance.
01:11:04.775 --> 01:11:09.240
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, another one is regional independence, another one is conservation of energy,
01:11:09.220 --> 01:11:33.102
[SPEAKER_01]: and the other one is, you know, organised tension or proximal stiffness for digital athleticism, but these are all, you know, technical words, but in there that conservation of energy is before you train someone to do something, the most powerful or performance-based turn might not be the best choice and why, because of all the things you brought, you know, you brought up.
01:11:33.082 --> 01:11:39.735
[SPEAKER_01]: You might be able to kind of get better, but you'll be done by 10 o'clock.
01:11:39.755 --> 01:11:48.112
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're doing your one week a year ski holiday and you've traveled to Europe, don't you want to ski the whole day and enjoy a great lunch and ski all afternoon.
01:11:48.533 --> 01:11:51.900
[SPEAKER_01]: So how we coach people, you
01:11:52.403 --> 01:11:57.930
[SPEAKER_01]: or how we coach people to move and their posture, you need a broader understanding.
01:11:58.090 --> 01:12:01.695
[SPEAKER_01]: And the performance lens needs to be taken into consideration.
01:12:02.016 --> 01:12:04.118
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't mean to get more performance.
01:12:04.499 --> 01:12:07.663
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm meaning sometimes to get less performance.
01:12:07.683 --> 01:12:11.268
[SPEAKER_01]: So here's this movement principle as around conservation of energy.
01:12:11.908 --> 01:12:18.918
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's been delightful, kind of working, having that resource available to throw your ideas out to and then bring it back.
01:12:18.978 --> 01:12:20.740
[SPEAKER_01]: So anyway,
01:12:20.973 --> 01:12:22.635
[SPEAKER_01]: there's something for you, maybe to fall.
01:12:22.655 --> 01:12:22.755
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
01:12:22.795 --> 01:12:25.538
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you do good back to our back to our team.
01:12:25.638 --> 01:12:29.362
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll reach out him because I think that would be really good.
01:12:30.023 --> 01:12:45.340
[SPEAKER_03]: And I just say that because I know a lot of people that are interested in improving maybe need to hear that that they don't have to be chasing it because you don't want to be done after two hours or or be injuring yourself.
01:12:45.360 --> 01:12:47.082
[SPEAKER_03]: If there's another turn type of way of
01:12:47.787 --> 01:12:55.878
[SPEAKER_03]: where you can focus your attention, still get the love of improvement and challenge through a refined parallel style turn.
01:12:56.439 --> 01:12:58.382
[SPEAKER_03]: And then you go ahead.
01:12:58.422 --> 01:13:05.492
[SPEAKER_01]: But I just can say one of the biggest most impactful takeaways for me, as someone that
01:13:05.472 --> 01:13:14.848
[SPEAKER_01]: had an opinion and has a mechanics background and you know, skeed for a long time and coach for a long time was that we're not a collection of parts.
01:13:15.189 --> 01:13:16.972
[SPEAKER_01]: The body works as a system.
01:13:17.373 --> 01:13:21.540
[SPEAKER_01]: So sometimes we break things down into one little thing.
01:13:21.520 --> 01:13:35.981
[SPEAKER_01]: and it might necessarily get us to where we want to go because the body is a system regional independence and he can talk through that with you and it's been very powerful in my own understanding and in my own progression.
01:13:36.462 --> 01:13:39.826
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's some really cool things around regional independence.
01:13:40.547 --> 01:13:40.968
[SPEAKER_03]: Excellent.
01:13:41.509 --> 01:13:41.689
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
01:13:43.053 --> 01:13:57.731
[SPEAKER_03]: So, now people, let's get into carving because that's probably the one that the most amount of carve users want to know the secret to, like, busting through from 140 to 150, 150 to 160, you know, get up there.
01:13:57.771 --> 01:14:01.295
[SPEAKER_03]: Because it could be, is a really fun video game, like, challenge.
01:14:01.315 --> 01:14:02.096
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not going to lie.
01:14:02.197 --> 01:14:03.118
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm, I'm on board.
01:14:03.238 --> 01:14:03.879
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to know it.
01:14:03.919 --> 01:14:08.284
[SPEAKER_03]: So, so help us understand what we got to focus on here.
01:14:08.821 --> 01:14:20.881
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so this is going to play a little bit opposite to some of our previous conversation with the stead turn and conservation of energy and enjoying the whole day and having a very versatile turn right.
01:14:20.921 --> 01:14:29.896
[SPEAKER_01]: So now we've been versatile and adaptable and jumping into a performance mindset and performance movement pattern and performance outcomes.
01:14:30.377 --> 01:14:33.883
[SPEAKER_01]: So on the metric side,
01:14:33.863 --> 01:14:36.887
[SPEAKER_01]: is the your gold star, go after G force.
01:14:37.547 --> 01:14:49.802
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'll ask you Tom, lateral acceleration, how do you, how do you think you get a ski to move you sideways, naturally across the hill in a car of turn?
01:14:51.644 --> 01:15:02.537
[SPEAKER_03]: I need to edge it, and I need to pressure it, and I need to make sure that I'm maintaining, I'm not losing speed as I'm
01:15:03.445 --> 01:15:04.007
[SPEAKER_03]: doing that.
01:15:04.068 --> 01:15:08.929
[SPEAKER_03]: This is going to be running fast because it's going to be slowing down as it's coming around the corner.
01:15:08.949 --> 01:15:12.223
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm trying to do that, but still let it run really fast.
01:15:12.625 --> 01:15:18.412
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and we'll, you know, maybe we can even kind of touch on some center line movements around this.
01:15:18.892 --> 01:15:26.341
[SPEAKER_01]: But let's talk from the lens of metric and let's talk from the lens of what the ski has to do.
01:15:26.661 --> 01:15:29.284
[SPEAKER_01]: So don't even, let's not even worry about the person yet.
01:15:29.304 --> 01:15:30.085
[SPEAKER_01]: So you're bang on.
01:15:30.585 --> 01:15:35.891
[SPEAKER_01]: So to get the ski to move laterally in a car of turn, because the tail has to follow the tip.
01:15:36.272 --> 01:15:38.194
[SPEAKER_01]: So the full body of the ski,
01:15:38.174 --> 01:15:46.025
[SPEAKER_01]: cuts a bit of a trench into the snow, and the rest of the ski underfooting the tail follows around through that trench.
01:15:46.446 --> 01:15:47.488
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's a radius.
01:15:47.848 --> 01:15:55.719
[SPEAKER_01]: So one of the bits in carve that we use all the time in our programs is often a bunch of the stuff on that home screen.
01:15:56.160 --> 01:15:57.482
[SPEAKER_01]: That's around
01:15:57.462 --> 01:16:00.747
[SPEAKER_01]: tempo, corridor, and radius.
01:16:01.248 --> 01:16:06.637
[SPEAKER_01]: And we're always working with people to look check this all the time, not even get into the metrics.
01:16:06.657 --> 01:16:19.858
[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever radius you're skiers and you're doing a curve turn, make sure the radius that curves recording is smaller or a tighter radius than you're ski.
01:16:19.838 --> 01:16:28.828
[SPEAKER_01]: and then people start to understand skin, because again, maybe I'll make this a bit more interactive, and I'm pretty confident that you'll know the answer.
01:16:29.229 --> 01:16:42.184
[SPEAKER_01]: So if I have whatever my 15-meter in between a radius ski and I get, you know, I move into the turn and pick up a clean edge, how do I make that ski tightness radius?
01:16:43.210 --> 01:16:45.154
[SPEAKER_03]: I need to keep tipping it over.
01:16:45.514 --> 01:16:45.975
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
01:16:45.995 --> 01:16:47.919
[SPEAKER_01]: So we progressively edge the ski.
01:16:48.240 --> 01:16:57.638
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's a design characteristic of the ski that allows the ski to bend more, which physically tightens its radius.
01:16:58.139 --> 01:16:59.521
[SPEAKER_01]: What's that design characteristic?
01:17:01.385 --> 01:17:03.970
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, the elliptical shape.
01:17:04.304 --> 01:17:08.273
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, yes, the cycle and it's it's side cut, right?
01:17:08.493 --> 01:17:13.263
[SPEAKER_01]: Because the more you tip a ski over, that side cut allows the ski to bend more.
01:17:13.283 --> 01:17:15.288
[SPEAKER_01]: So, there's my G force.
01:17:15.308 --> 01:17:18.033
[SPEAKER_01]: I need to G force will come back to the metric.
01:17:18.154 --> 01:17:19.697
[SPEAKER_01]: Is the biggest...
01:17:20.167 --> 01:17:21.989
[SPEAKER_01]: driver that we have.
01:17:22.450 --> 01:17:35.566
[SPEAKER_01]: And of course, you know, if we listen, if we look at such set, you know, centripetal acceleration and we want to get to the math, we know it's, you know, mass times velocity squared and your mass won't change, right?
01:17:35.806 --> 01:17:39.691
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, unless someone's throwing handbergers down your throat is just skiing around the arc, it's not going to change.
01:17:40.813 --> 01:17:42.194
[SPEAKER_01]: Velocity squared.
01:17:42.234 --> 01:17:47.541
[SPEAKER_01]: So speed is, you know, four times the most powerful thing you can do,
01:17:47.521 --> 01:17:54.069
[SPEAKER_01]: and divided by your radius, so I'm can only manipulate two things, velocity or radius.
01:17:54.510 --> 01:18:03.962
[SPEAKER_01]: So velocity speed is a really big one, but there's only so fast you can go safely or we can all go.
01:18:03.982 --> 01:18:15.216
[SPEAKER_01]: So yes, go faster within your limits, but the biggest driver there in an
01:18:15.196 --> 01:18:18.543
[SPEAKER_01]: feel the snow push back and increase that edge.
01:18:19.024 --> 01:18:20.748
[SPEAKER_01]: Listen, that's not worry about movement yet.
01:18:20.768 --> 01:18:22.051
[SPEAKER_01]: We're just talking about the ski.
01:18:22.431 --> 01:18:27.943
[SPEAKER_01]: So that there will give us the lateral acceleration, which is the G force, which is your biggest driver.
01:18:28.364 --> 01:18:30.749
[SPEAKER_01]: What else are some pieces there that that's related to?
01:18:30.950 --> 01:18:32.533
[SPEAKER_01]: Turn shape and turn closure.
01:18:32.894 --> 01:18:35.820
[SPEAKER_01]: So on a pitch that's steep enough,
01:18:35.800 --> 01:18:47.538
[SPEAKER_01]: So pick a pitch that's steep enough, which is harder to carve on, you know, you keep going with that progressive edgine or rolling of the ski, and it'll keep whipping around more and more and more.
01:18:48.159 --> 01:18:51.264
[SPEAKER_01]: So you will get that turn close, you're better in that turn shape.
01:18:51.625 --> 01:18:55.751
[SPEAKER_01]: And you'll even get, it's not gonna people think it's a nice car, you know, round turn.
01:18:56.132 --> 01:19:00.598
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not, it has a bit more of a comma or at the end or a tightening.
01:19:01.059 --> 01:19:02.922
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's really important.
01:19:02.902 --> 01:19:10.012
[SPEAKER_01]: And by that stage on a steep enough hill, you'll hit you have 80 degree of jangles.
01:19:10.352 --> 01:19:10.913
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
01:19:10.973 --> 01:19:12.495
[SPEAKER_01]: It's very much.
01:19:12.555 --> 01:19:17.723
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's your g-force and you're all getting ready, getting just through a jangle.
01:19:18.003 --> 01:19:20.446
[SPEAKER_01]: You're getting your turn shape and your turn closure.
01:19:20.987 --> 01:19:24.792
[SPEAKER_01]: Early edging is just not just hugely important.
01:19:25.153 --> 01:19:32.503
[SPEAKER_01]: The difference between great scares and elite scares
01:19:32.973 --> 01:19:43.022
[SPEAKER_01]: someone that doesn't restart a turn every time, you know, you go from you manage momentum and flow all the way down the hill from one turn to the other.
01:19:43.502 --> 01:19:50.488
[SPEAKER_01]: Their lies early edging and understanding transitions and the pitch is is rewarded in there as well.
01:19:50.849 --> 01:19:58.676
[SPEAKER_01]: But you think about that pitch, it's giving its et cetera accentuating all of the other things, it's exacerbating it.
01:19:59.116 --> 01:20:02.659
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, if I'm
01:20:02.639 --> 01:20:05.523
[SPEAKER_01]: a steeper hill helps me do that.
01:20:05.943 --> 01:20:10.590
[SPEAKER_01]: It helps me get higher edge angles because it's pushing back harder.
01:20:11.030 --> 01:20:16.297
[SPEAKER_01]: I need to transition fairly quickly so it's given me that early edge, etc.
01:20:16.317 --> 01:20:16.918
[SPEAKER_01]: etc.
01:20:16.958 --> 01:20:21.044
[SPEAKER_01]: So these things are all related and they play together.
01:20:21.064 --> 01:20:24.809
[SPEAKER_01]: So if we just go back to the metrics and what the skis doing.
01:20:25.089 --> 01:20:30.857
[SPEAKER_01]: G force, turn shape, turn closure, edge angle, early edge in and pitch.
01:20:31.698 --> 01:20:31.998
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
01:20:32.039 --> 01:20:32.279
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
01:20:32.299 --> 01:20:54.354
[SPEAKER_01]: And now we can talk about movements, but that will get really complex because the situation or it's individualized and what one per what you feel might and be what someone else feels with different anatomy, different equipment, different timing, just the awareness that you might have over them if that makes sense.
01:20:54.374 --> 01:20:55.475
[SPEAKER_01]: So they're this carving.
01:20:56.076 --> 01:20:56.597
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:20:56.697 --> 01:20:57.739
[SPEAKER_03]: So maybe some
01:20:58.647 --> 01:21:23.035
[SPEAKER_03]: takeaways there are I think a big one is the pitch if you're not playing around or adjusting that that would be one first thing if you're not too bad at carving you've got to you've got to do that because otherwise you're not going to feed in more of the velocity you're not going to then need to close the turn-off move the turn-closure metric you're not going to get
01:21:23.588 --> 01:21:52.566
[SPEAKER_03]: the fact that carve knows it's harder on a steeper pitch just go and so it puts a ceiling on your ski IQ if you're around the skiing on 15 degree slopes even if you do it perfectly you have to be pushing that pitch like that's a really big one and then I think I love the other one you said which is look at the radius on your ski that's a huge just straight yeah yeah and it's an easy one and I don't think you need to necessarily have like a view of the approach of like oh
01:21:53.069 --> 01:21:56.133
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm getting an 18 meter radius, I'm on a 12 meter radius ski.
01:21:57.134 --> 01:22:01.320
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't have to go then go and look for me or you necessary to go, how do I fix that?
01:22:01.600 --> 01:22:06.767
[SPEAKER_03]: Just go and try some things and see if you can get it to go down and you'll start figuring out yourself.
01:22:07.588 --> 01:22:08.750
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's not that hard.
01:22:08.790 --> 01:22:11.694
[SPEAKER_03]: Just like tie it, try and tip it over more.
01:22:12.094 --> 01:22:14.297
[SPEAKER_03]: Tighten the turns, start the next turn earlier.
01:22:16.140 --> 01:22:17.001
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:22:17.318 --> 01:22:37.909
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, it would I'd like to give people a tip and again, you know, this, this might cause some debate for people listening to this, but, you know, speed is a thing and when we start going faster, kind of there's more forces at play and it's harder.
01:22:38.530 --> 01:22:59.897
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I think a cheat code for someone that is in the realm of, you know, decent ski I cues on carving and you're getting on to a pitch, get yourself a slalom ski, 13 meter radius, and here's why you can get air jungles.
01:23:00.350 --> 01:23:06.399
[SPEAKER_01]: or the great air jungles at slower speeds, if that makes sense.
01:23:06.419 --> 01:23:09.703
[SPEAKER_01]: So you've got a little bit more time to feel everything.
01:23:10.264 --> 01:23:12.748
[SPEAKER_01]: The ski catches you quicker.
01:23:13.168 --> 01:23:15.932
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's more fidelity in there.
01:23:16.173 --> 01:23:18.076
[SPEAKER_01]: You have something to work against.
01:23:18.476 --> 01:23:21.160
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not saying that
01:23:21.140 --> 01:23:39.165
[SPEAKER_01]: You can get higher ski IQs on a slalom ski because the, you know, the great skiers on there out there that are getting super high ski IQs on not slalom skis, but if you want to improve yourself from a 150 to a 160
01:23:39.145 --> 01:23:44.555
[SPEAKER_01]: and you need to go on steeper hills and you're just like I can't carve on these hills, they're too steep.
01:23:45.116 --> 01:23:46.017
[SPEAKER_01]: Change the tool.
01:23:46.578 --> 01:23:52.208
[SPEAKER_01]: Go to a shorter radius ski, a slalom ski that's got pretty good torsional stiffness.
01:23:52.809 --> 01:23:59.601
[SPEAKER_01]: It will allow you to move inside the ski will push back and you can
01:23:59.581 --> 01:24:09.412
[SPEAKER_01]: okay and as you and that increases your edge angle which checks all the box is for the metrics which will drive you scared like you.
01:24:09.853 --> 01:24:27.833
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, yeah definitely because I know I've shifted to more skiing across Carver over the last few years and I've hit a ceiling there and then I
01:24:28.201 --> 01:24:55.980
[SPEAKER_03]: and we were on a pitch that wasn't like it's just the main one there that has a ceiling point because it's not that steep pretty doing similar turns and here it is brand-new slalom ski and it was always just scoring, scoring higher and I was like I'm pushing as hard I'm trying to be as clean as possible but if I don't if I'm not getting that acceleration around because he he just like you said the the centripetal force formula he just changed that
01:24:56.905 --> 01:25:02.966
[SPEAKER_03]: to a lower number, the result is a higher output.
01:25:02.986 --> 01:25:09.328
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, that that SLILM ski shorter radius tip is is a good one.
01:25:10.085 --> 01:25:14.814
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and listen, don't miss interpret my tip.
01:25:15.455 --> 01:25:20.105
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a specific tip for a specific outcome for a training purpose.
01:25:20.726 --> 01:25:23.992
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying a World Cup's Lylems gear is the best ski for everything.
01:25:24.112 --> 01:25:25.335
[SPEAKER_01]: It certainly isn't.
01:25:26.176 --> 01:25:28.401
[SPEAKER_01]: Understand equipment and how it can help you.
01:25:28.842 --> 01:25:30.625
[SPEAKER_01]: And listen, it's no,
01:25:30.841 --> 01:25:46.487
[SPEAKER_01]: you know it it it it it it's no slight on your skin that the said was getting great school as he's a great skier but again I know no said trains here at Whistler 2 is from Whistler and he is on the saddle so the saddle is
01:25:46.467 --> 01:25:49.335
[SPEAKER_01]: 33, 34 degrees at the very top.
01:25:49.756 --> 01:25:54.949
[SPEAKER_01]: It settles into 30 degrees and then bottoms out at about 25.
01:25:55.190 --> 01:26:01.607
[SPEAKER_01]: When you get about 15 turns down there and over the last few years and you know I've been a bit of a
01:26:02.650 --> 01:26:03.852
[SPEAKER_01]: a driver on this.
01:26:04.053 --> 01:26:11.607
[SPEAKER_01]: You see more and more people getting up there early when it's safe to do so pushing themselves with the libert practice on the right equipment.
01:26:11.627 --> 01:26:22.268
[SPEAKER_01]: It's very hard to carve down a slope that steep with a larger radius ski without throwing a pivot at the top of the turn, which is super fun.
01:26:22.569 --> 01:26:24.372
[SPEAKER_01]: But if you want to drive,
01:26:24.453 --> 01:26:28.297
[SPEAKER_01]: your metrics, which drives your ski IQ, it doesn't reward a stivet.
01:26:28.538 --> 01:26:30.640
[SPEAKER_01]: So you've got to be clean at the top of the turn.
01:26:30.961 --> 01:26:38.329
[SPEAKER_01]: And on a slope, 30 plus degrees, you need to get down before the fall line.
01:26:38.569 --> 01:26:43.235
[SPEAKER_01]: Like your hip is pretty much on the snow at the fall line before the fall line.
01:26:43.495 --> 01:26:47.340
[SPEAKER_01]: Because that's what's tightening your radius enough that it gives you your speed control.
01:26:47.680 --> 01:26:51.945
[SPEAKER_01]: Your speed control in a carved turn is through turn shape.
01:26:51.925 --> 01:26:57.451
[SPEAKER_01]: So that shape can't be a big radius or it's just way too fast at that pitch.
01:26:57.852 --> 01:27:12.528
[SPEAKER_01]: So there is a little bit of academicness in understanding this and in your training and it's not just understanding the instrument panel of carve and what drives the ski IQ.
01:27:12.988 --> 01:27:14.710
[SPEAKER_01]: It's understanding
01:27:14.690 --> 01:27:21.799
[SPEAKER_01]: your own capabilities, your movement patterns, and most certainly the equipment, and you touched on sharp skis before.
01:27:22.180 --> 01:27:35.857
[SPEAKER_01]: If anyone out there is trying to go and, you know, short turns or carve turns on, you know, any sort of firm snow and you don't have sharp edges, go back and change your skis.
01:27:36.659 --> 01:27:43.988
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I remember the carve guys telling me though, though, like a few years
01:27:44.744 --> 01:27:51.571
[SPEAKER_03]: tips for people, and you know, one of the guys is like, we should, like, every time someone sharpens their skis, their ski arc, you guys goes up.
01:27:51.611 --> 01:27:52.675
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, it's the easiest one.
01:27:52.976 --> 01:27:55.767
[SPEAKER_03]: Just get, get, get a sharp tune.
01:27:55.882 --> 01:27:58.526
[SPEAKER_03]: pair of slimes keys and it'll go up.
01:27:58.686 --> 01:28:09.581
[SPEAKER_03]: But then you'll hear the ceiling where that's, you know, it's going to stop there and you need to actually... Yeah, yeah, you've exhausted that variable and it's a massive variable until you tune it in.
01:28:09.601 --> 01:28:23.661
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the other one and this is going to be another one of those debatable, very unsatisfying answers, getting away from the carving turn tight for a moment, but back into one of the biggest tips or what I find one of the most successful
01:28:23.641 --> 01:28:30.741
[SPEAKER_01]: tips or tools out there with instructors and recreational skiers I like, as I call it pole perfect.
01:28:31.082 --> 01:28:36.638
[SPEAKER_01]: The most underutilized piece of equipment, other than skis and boots obviously, it's poles.
01:28:37.280 --> 01:28:38.764
[SPEAKER_01]: And having
01:28:38.744 --> 01:28:54.002
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, using your poles correctly, whether you're dragging that inside pole or in consequential terrain on a super steep traverse or through down side slipping through an entrance or, you know, try and ski bumps.
01:28:53.982 --> 01:28:58.668
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a way and go down and ski bumps and see what it's doing to your stability.
01:28:58.949 --> 01:28:59.449
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
01:28:59.469 --> 01:29:10.164
[SPEAKER_01]: You need a pole plant there and even with carving, having that pro perception and that lever that creates stability in the torso and even the pelvis is incredible.
01:29:10.524 --> 01:29:17.273
[SPEAKER_01]: So the pole plant, if we're talking about these low-hanging fruit like sharpening your edges,
01:29:17.253 --> 01:29:38.856
[SPEAKER_01]: understand how the poll can work for us, with pro-perception, with creating a moment arm for stability, with timing, with rhythm, with all of these specifics, of steps, with bumps, with entrances, with high consequential traversing, oh my god, we could do a whole podcast
01:29:39.106 --> 01:29:42.529
[SPEAKER_03]: But I know, yeah, that's, yeah, it would 100% agree.
01:29:42.549 --> 01:29:45.632
[SPEAKER_03]: I've got a whole section of videos that go into that.
01:29:45.652 --> 01:29:48.654
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I've got a podcast with Paula Rens just on polls.
01:29:48.934 --> 01:29:53.658
[SPEAKER_03]: Below a surprise, how did you talk over an hour on just whole-placing?
01:29:54.059 --> 01:29:55.300
[SPEAKER_03]: But it's so true.
01:29:55.640 --> 01:30:01.785
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think your point, I think this is the best way for people to understand it is like, how important is it?
01:30:02.266 --> 01:30:08.691
[SPEAKER_03]: We'll go take it away first and then you come back and tell me if you're missing your polls.
01:30:09.515 --> 01:30:14.248
[SPEAKER_03]: down, you know, next to the saddle in the off-piece there without our pulse.
01:30:14.809 --> 01:30:25.718
[SPEAKER_03]: See if you can do it as confidently as with them, then you'll go, oh, okay, if they're doing that much, then if I made my use of my pole plant better, how much would that bring it up even further?
01:30:26.086 --> 01:30:34.538
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it's great training to ski without poles, but it highlights how much they give you, and you kind of get things better, and then go back to using them, and it's a superpower.
01:30:34.979 --> 01:30:42.329
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I've unfortunately, I've broken three pairs of poles just this year, skiing.
01:30:42.349 --> 01:30:44.532
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't mean falling over and snapping them.
01:30:45.033 --> 01:30:45.934
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean,
01:30:45.914 --> 01:30:51.462
[SPEAKER_01]: pounding through bumps, a bunch of the short turns, and kind of different things like that.
01:30:51.882 --> 01:30:57.490
[SPEAKER_01]: So the force that I'm putting through my poles, I am completely using it as a cheat code.
01:30:57.850 --> 01:31:05.080
[SPEAKER_01]: So we can't unpack all of that here, but if you're someone out there listening that's thinking, what's he talking about with pro perception?
01:31:05.181 --> 01:31:08.265
[SPEAKER_01]: What's he talking about with a lever arm or a moment arm?
01:31:08.285 --> 01:31:14.233
[SPEAKER_01]: What's he talking about with pelvis and torso stability?
01:31:14.213 --> 01:31:15.294
[SPEAKER_01]: You need to look into it.
01:31:15.494 --> 01:31:18.237
[SPEAKER_01]: You are missing a huge low-hanging fruit in skin.
01:31:18.397 --> 01:31:19.518
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's enough on the whole thing.
01:31:19.538 --> 01:31:20.660
[SPEAKER_01]: That was an aside.
01:31:20.980 --> 01:31:22.662
[SPEAKER_01]: And we were just about being a carving.
01:31:23.222 --> 01:31:24.283
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a very good one.
01:31:24.343 --> 01:31:26.205
[SPEAKER_03]: I would 100% agree.
01:31:26.265 --> 01:31:28.087
[SPEAKER_03]: So, okay, so short turns.
01:31:29.068 --> 01:31:31.170
[SPEAKER_03]: How do we get short turns up?
01:31:31.190 --> 01:31:36.656
[SPEAKER_03]: Because this is one I have either ceiling on and yeah, I need some help with it.
01:31:38.097 --> 01:31:43.663
[SPEAKER_01]: And I would love to look at your metrics and this is, if we were to go out.
01:31:44.167 --> 01:31:49.688
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I would love to look at your well we can let's use them can do it now.
01:31:50.512 --> 01:32:08.112
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I would, in a coaching sense, we would do turns, I would use my eye, and then I would confirm from the metric of what's actually going on, and then we would pick, you know, the two biggest, the two biggest, okay, let's go through, let's use, this is great, let's use this as a use case.
01:32:08.633 --> 01:32:09.013
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
01:32:09.033 --> 01:32:13.879
[SPEAKER_01]: So tell me, go to your highest, I've got my highest, yep, it's a 155.
01:32:14.299 --> 01:32:20.046
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so here I'm going to tell you,
01:32:21.089 --> 01:32:26.515
[SPEAKER_01]: I can guarantee you, you know, this is, this is, if you call me out here, go, I'm put myself out there.
01:32:26.976 --> 01:32:34.144
[SPEAKER_01]: You do not have a lot, you're not, you're not, you're not, you're not, you're not, you're not, two point.
01:32:34.164 --> 01:32:43.235
[SPEAKER_01]: Three point two, there you go, and you're not, you're probably, you're probably not at a hundred percent edged sin.
01:32:43.916 --> 01:32:44.937
[SPEAKER_03]: No, 85.
01:32:44.984 --> 01:32:45.324
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:32:45.344 --> 01:32:48.929
[SPEAKER_01]: So, right there, you have leaked a huge amount.
01:32:48.949 --> 01:32:52.073
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you need to, the, so 2.4.
01:32:52.234 --> 01:32:52.855
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
01:32:53.415 --> 01:32:54.276
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:32:54.337 --> 01:32:55.258
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know what I would do?
01:32:55.278 --> 01:32:57.280
[SPEAKER_01]: I would, I would actually just make this super simple.
01:32:57.481 --> 01:33:00.304
[SPEAKER_01]: I would go back and do with you what I did.
01:33:01.025 --> 01:33:13.422
[SPEAKER_01]: And I would just working on you accelerating your
01:33:14.127 --> 01:33:25.903
[SPEAKER_01]: So we would go, I've jumped right to a movement pattern there because I've already established a few things that you're missing in your metrics to drive your ski IQ.
01:33:26.303 --> 01:33:28.126
[SPEAKER_01]: Predominantly there is G-force.
01:33:28.506 --> 01:33:42.345
[SPEAKER_01]: So we can get more lateral acceleration from you just in the exact turn you're doing, just by pulling your accelerating your feet across
01:33:42.848 --> 01:33:48.554
[SPEAKER_03]: through the arch, triumphant just like trying to, yeah, help it.
01:33:48.574 --> 01:33:51.637
[SPEAKER_03]: They're already going, but excellently like make them move fast.
01:33:51.697 --> 01:33:52.037
[SPEAKER_03]: Totally.
01:33:52.218 --> 01:34:03.209
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, and that, and I work with, you know, I have a concept in great ski, is the three things I always ski, and I'll try not to make this another aside.
01:34:04.811 --> 01:34:11.978
[SPEAKER_01]: One is organised tension, and that's just my word for making sure you, we are
01:34:13.173 --> 01:34:15.816
[SPEAKER_01]: quite strong through the whole kinetic chain.
01:34:15.956 --> 01:34:18.459
[SPEAKER_01]: And we have to be almost stiff.
01:34:18.700 --> 01:34:26.289
[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, in biomechanics, they call it stiffness, where you need ankle tension, and you need quite a bit of tension in your core.
01:34:26.810 --> 01:34:29.753
[SPEAKER_01]: So you can be precise at the ski.
01:34:30.414 --> 01:34:32.997
[SPEAKER_01]: The other thing there is foot placement.
01:34:33.017 --> 01:34:42.589
[SPEAKER_01]: Moving your foot around, or your feet around, predominantly the outside ski, to get the force where you want it, or to align against the force.
01:34:42.569 --> 01:35:00.527
[SPEAKER_01]: is how we go from one turn to the next and that's transitions and we want to have momentum and flow so the whole thing is you know force and balance but coming back to you with that foot placement we can get more you can get more out of your
01:35:00.507 --> 01:35:17.537
[SPEAKER_01]: lateral acceleration or your G force quite easily at the same speed that you're going down the hill and almost at exactly the same tempo Just by moving your feet across you quickly at the end of the turn you need to make them grip and bite at the end of the turn
01:35:17.517 --> 01:35:31.193
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, a lot of people coach this movement by I want you to push the foot ahead, or, you know, sometimes you hit pull the inside foot back, I'm quite against pushing that outside ski forward.
01:35:31.313 --> 01:35:32.877
[SPEAKER_01]: It puts pit.
01:35:32.857 --> 01:35:37.425
[SPEAKER_01]: puts people in the back seat and they lose connection with the full body of the ski.
01:35:37.926 --> 01:35:41.613
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't want to push the ski away from us.
01:35:41.953 --> 01:35:49.988
[SPEAKER_01]: We want to pull it through the arc and that pulling it through the arc or accelerating it through the arc at the end of your short turn.
01:35:49.968 --> 01:35:51.830
[SPEAKER_01]: will do what you need to do.
01:35:52.131 --> 01:35:58.999
[SPEAKER_01]: Now what's going to happen is it's going to bite and you're going to throw the beer can because it's going to accelerate across the hill.
01:35:59.479 --> 01:36:19.182
[SPEAKER_01]: What you're going to then have to learn to do is some pressure management with your timing, but all of a sudden you will jump three or four points in one go because your lateral acceleration or your
01:36:19.162 --> 01:36:20.083
[SPEAKER_01]: Ed similarity.
01:36:20.543 --> 01:36:21.304
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, okay.
01:36:21.804 --> 01:36:22.325
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, okay.
01:36:22.845 --> 01:36:23.186
[SPEAKER_03]: Awesome.
01:36:23.646 --> 01:36:24.206
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, as a couple.
01:36:24.226 --> 01:36:32.874
[SPEAKER_03]: I looked at it because you can look at, you know, how you can click on G force and then see, you know, so it was like 45 turns or something.
01:36:32.894 --> 01:36:35.236
[SPEAKER_03]: And there's some in there where I'm hitting three G's.
01:36:35.817 --> 01:36:42.302
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just 2.9, 3, 3, but then it drops down to that 2, you know, 1.7 at 1.
01:36:42.362 --> 01:36:48.628
[SPEAKER_03]: And so the consistency and and saying with so the other one then is the edge similarity.
01:36:49.688 --> 01:37:00.644
[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, this one is like sometimes a hit 100 and then it's down to like 75 and then it's like 82, 900 and then 60 and yeah.
01:37:01.044 --> 01:37:08.575
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is just my opinion and this opinion will actually play against me because I have very good edge sim.
01:37:09.702 --> 01:37:10.323
[SPEAKER_01]: yeah, nice.
01:37:11.825 --> 01:37:14.770
[SPEAKER_01]: The edge sim in my opinion is too sensitive.
01:37:14.991 --> 01:37:26.149
[SPEAKER_01]: There is a huge drop-off in points because I run it through my model, even between 100% and 98, and then 96, and then 94.
01:37:27.090 --> 01:37:27.711
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
01:37:27.691 --> 01:37:54.441
[SPEAKER_03]: huge like points like yeah yeah three or four points per per point which you know obviously I've got your 180 short term here I mean look this is 100 like there's not a single drop like that's incredible yeah your cherry picking my best one though so yeah so yeah like you were obviously stoked when that happened but that there was what hundreds of attempts
01:37:54.674 --> 01:37:56.036
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, totally.
01:37:56.336 --> 01:38:04.445
[SPEAKER_01]: And listen, my higher score in short turns do not feel like my best turns at all.
01:38:04.925 --> 01:38:11.753
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's because of take a racer, you know, they are at the edge of their limit to win that race.
01:38:12.574 --> 01:38:12.734
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
01:38:12.754 --> 01:38:16.819
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm at the edge of my limit with G4.
01:38:16.879 --> 01:38:17.920
[SPEAKER_01]: Trying to crank it.
01:38:18.220 --> 01:38:18.681
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:38:18.821 --> 01:38:19.281
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
01:38:19.662 --> 01:38:20.242
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:38:20.262 --> 01:38:21.924
[SPEAKER_03]: So I just got your D4s here on this one.
01:38:21.944 --> 01:38:22.605
[SPEAKER_03]: So people can see.
01:38:22.889 --> 01:38:23.751
[SPEAKER_03]: So you can click into it.
01:38:23.791 --> 01:38:40.206
[SPEAKER_03]: So there's a 3.9, but then there's just like 3.1, 3.5, 3.8, 2.7, 3.9, 3, and because it takes, it takes
01:38:40.422 --> 01:38:41.363
[SPEAKER_03]: one, two, three, four.
01:38:41.383 --> 01:38:43.907
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a medium, a medium over eight turns.
01:38:44.168 --> 01:38:45.169
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that one, yeah.
01:38:45.189 --> 01:38:54.843
[SPEAKER_01]: That one, I actually is a little bit lower on my, I excel that other metrics, because I have a couple of other short turns runs at 180, but it will only show you that.
01:38:55.324 --> 01:39:01.413
[SPEAKER_01]: And that is the lower, that one you're looking at is my lowest G force run of all of my 180.
01:39:01.733 --> 01:39:02.835
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think my,
01:39:02.815 --> 01:39:09.005
[SPEAKER_01]: the one that I'm most impressed with myself was, you know, 3.6G on average.
01:39:09.246 --> 01:39:13.192
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's right up at, at, I think it tops out at 4G.
01:39:13.973 --> 01:39:18.040
[SPEAKER_01]: But this consequence to that as well, like that, that's very,
01:39:18.509 --> 01:39:24.017
[SPEAKER_01]: Paul, that's hard on your back, it's hard on your pelvis, that over and over and over.
01:39:24.037 --> 01:39:26.941
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like again, back to ski racing.
01:39:26.981 --> 01:39:32.989
[SPEAKER_01]: McCullough, the shift front doesn't go out and run 50 slalom training runs in a row at high intensity.
01:39:33.009 --> 01:39:37.936
[SPEAKER_01]: It's too hard on the body and it diminishing returns after four or five, right?
01:39:38.336 --> 01:39:45.546
[SPEAKER_01]: So, same there, you, that's where deliberate practice sometimes isn't all that fun, but then you can get results.
01:39:45.526 --> 01:39:58.168
[SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, back to the short turns and using you as the use case, yeah, and I called it, even at your SKIQ, the metrics, G-force and edge sim that we would work on.
01:39:58.489 --> 01:40:07.644
[SPEAKER_01]: And the movement, because I've seen your ski, obviously, is we would just, I would just get you to accelerate your feet across and under you at the end of the turn.
01:40:07.684 --> 01:40:09.728
[SPEAKER_01]: And it would be more of a cross under move.
01:40:09.708 --> 01:40:15.096
[SPEAKER_01]: because as you're decoupling your upper body and your lower body right at the hips.
01:40:15.436 --> 01:40:26.191
[SPEAKER_01]: So as the skis and feet and legs continue to accelerate across the turn, you're moving your pelvis and your torso into the new turn.
01:40:26.531 --> 01:40:27.052
[SPEAKER_01]: Does that make sense?
01:40:27.072 --> 01:40:37.707
[SPEAKER_03]: So I've got a question there then, because I guess the style of short-term I've been having fun with and playing is a little bit more dolphiny.
01:40:38.345 --> 01:40:48.118
[SPEAKER_03]: And is, am I kind of going to punish myself there because I am trying to kind of rebound a little bit in the air for playfulness like
01:40:48.436 --> 01:40:50.839
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, both appreciate Benny Wolks.
01:40:50.879 --> 01:40:51.099
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:40:51.420 --> 01:40:53.442
[SPEAKER_03]: Is that going to score high or not?
01:40:53.943 --> 01:40:54.183
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
01:40:54.884 --> 01:40:55.465
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
01:40:55.605 --> 01:41:00.931
[SPEAKER_01]: You certainly get into mid one sixties with that type of turn.
01:41:01.372 --> 01:41:04.115
[SPEAKER_01]: But because you're, I'll exaggerate a little bit.
01:41:04.175 --> 01:41:09.942
[SPEAKER_01]: You're doing quite a bit of a dolphin move to start with that big float at the start of the turn.
01:41:10.302 --> 01:41:14.367
[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to dilute or bleed edge sim in there because of it.
01:41:14.748 --> 01:41:15.709
[SPEAKER_01]: If that makes sense.
01:41:15.689 --> 01:41:18.572
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, it's super, that's the main one I'm going to tell you.
01:41:18.692 --> 01:41:19.012
[SPEAKER_03]: Perfect.
01:41:19.072 --> 01:41:23.337
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not that I'm also going to, because I'm going using energy to kind of get up.
01:41:23.437 --> 01:41:26.299
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not going to have that energy to also get G force across.
01:41:26.700 --> 01:41:29.262
[SPEAKER_03]: It's probably more than I might, because I'm not on the snow.
01:41:29.282 --> 01:41:32.085
[SPEAKER_03]: My feet might start now doing different things and it'll.
01:41:32.586 --> 01:41:33.407
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's me on that.
01:41:33.767 --> 01:41:38.171
[SPEAKER_01]: Here's back to the center line of the base representation.
01:41:38.211 --> 01:41:45.038
[SPEAKER_01]: If we use that of the short turn, you know, what's got, and it would be great if we could go,
01:41:45.018 --> 01:41:52.667
[SPEAKER_01]: we could have analog Benny and the dolphin type short turns and you mimic that for training.
01:41:53.307 --> 01:42:01.177
[SPEAKER_01]: Or maybe we go back to a little bit more of an Austrian up unweighted turn as opposed to that cross under.
01:42:01.557 --> 01:42:03.659
[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to, it's going to be slower.
01:42:04.360 --> 01:42:09.326
[SPEAKER_01]: For your hips to come up and over, it's actually slower than moving your hips straight across the back of your skis.
01:42:09.666 --> 01:42:11.228
[SPEAKER_01]: As you're entering
01:42:11.208 --> 01:42:18.721
[SPEAKER_01]: and you're flipping your, as your, this is an interesting point and maybe a little bit too precise on the movement.
01:42:19.062 --> 01:42:27.277
[SPEAKER_01]: But as you're finishing your turn, you're still allowing your you know, skis and boots and legs to continue on the turn.
01:42:27.317 --> 01:42:34.870
[SPEAKER_01]: The previous turn is you're starting
01:42:35.103 --> 01:42:54.597
[SPEAKER_01]: de-edging your feet and skis if that makes sense so you're moving your pelvis across your skis that you're still continuing to make them skis turn in the old turn but with lower and because your skis are moving across the back of your skis you've got a bit more bend in your knee and hip
01:42:54.577 --> 01:43:02.025
[SPEAKER_01]: you can actually get a bit of lower leg turning in there and it flattens the ski and runs it onto the new set of edges.
01:43:02.505 --> 01:43:13.577
[SPEAKER_01]: Now that is a very precise movement pattern that we can work on, but that's something that I don't think carve really picks up.
01:43:13.677 --> 01:43:20.324
[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to need yourself to understand what you're doing and you're driving it.
01:43:21.625 --> 01:43:24.448
[SPEAKER_01]: That was a little bit too into the
01:43:24.428 --> 01:43:53.895
[SPEAKER_03]: and Cambridge as well sort of like do you have to weigh up like how well I slept am I going to have the energy like the ability to pump out these turns because that that different style turn where there's maybe more up gives the chance for you to flush a bit of lactic acid and all those positives the retractions don't want that totally no even
01:43:54.365 --> 01:43:54.605
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:43:55.547 --> 01:43:55.927
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:43:55.947 --> 01:44:10.388
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm going to finish on that there's my excuse for the 155 is I was considering my energy for the day and just just trying to go for, yeah, as much performance for that.
01:44:10.949 --> 01:44:11.670
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no.
01:44:11.690 --> 01:44:17.098
[SPEAKER_01]: Tom, I have no doubt knowing you and have skewed with you and watching your skin.
01:44:19.424 --> 01:44:25.375
[SPEAKER_01]: In two days, we would have you in two, the one sixties, no problem.
01:44:25.536 --> 01:44:31.066
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, until on sixties on your short turns, it is really just that feedback loop.
01:44:31.086 --> 01:44:33.571
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know what that analytical and movement.
01:44:33.591 --> 01:44:36.055
[SPEAKER_03]: That's my, I'm going to text you with a screenshot.
01:44:36.075 --> 01:44:38.921
[SPEAKER_03]: This season Australia, when that day happens.
01:44:38.941 --> 01:44:42.748
[SPEAKER_03]: Because now I'd like, you've set me a challenge.
01:44:42.897 --> 01:44:44.561
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to try and do it.
01:44:44.601 --> 01:44:49.311
[SPEAKER_03]: I know now where I need to point myself and put my deliberate practice into it.
01:44:49.331 --> 01:44:54.643
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's exactly why I want this podcast chat because it's such a simple thing with coaching.
01:44:54.663 --> 01:45:01.598
[SPEAKER_03]: Like you just, why coaches are great, even with the carving, you just need to be pointed somewhere and sort of,
01:45:01.983 --> 01:45:06.457
[SPEAKER_03]: like my, I think my son Archie is like tries to go off and guess to distract about the other thing.
01:45:06.477 --> 01:45:12.858
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, just get back to, you know, practicing whatever you're doing and you just need that focus, and you will get better.
01:45:13.259 --> 01:45:14.102
[SPEAKER_03]: You will get better.
01:45:15.027 --> 01:45:44.258
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and just back on the carved thing, use it as that instrument panel, you know, so it's the instrument panel, it's not the pilot, you know, you go to a doctor and he does the diagnosis, but he takes your blood pressure and your blood work and your heart rate as these, you know, these
01:45:44.643 --> 01:45:44.944
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:45:45.365 --> 01:45:45.966
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:45:45.986 --> 01:45:46.147
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
01:45:46.207 --> 01:45:46.468
[SPEAKER_03]: Cool.
01:45:46.688 --> 01:45:56.252
[SPEAKER_03]: Any other ones you'd say any like tip then with the short turns, hacks, cards, kiaki on short turns is currently going out.
01:45:56.292 --> 01:45:57.876
[SPEAKER_03]: So they're worked on G4 and I'm
01:45:58.362 --> 01:46:02.527
[SPEAKER_03]: getting bucked around, but I'm kind of controlling it bit better, where would I go to next?
01:46:02.547 --> 01:46:03.328
[SPEAKER_03]: Is it the edge, Tim?
01:46:03.709 --> 01:46:04.089
[SPEAKER_03]: You said?
01:46:04.109 --> 01:46:05.091
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know.
01:46:05.231 --> 01:46:09.236
[SPEAKER_01]: And so this is an interesting one here to a certain degree.
01:46:09.436 --> 01:46:15.104
[SPEAKER_01]: And in my short turns, and this is just an end of one again.
01:46:15.304 --> 01:46:21.552
[SPEAKER_01]: But we're having the chat and it's meaningful to me because that's, you know, you work with yourself with the metrics.
01:46:21.532 --> 01:46:29.061
[SPEAKER_01]: Same with the carved turns, I ended up popping my carved turns up a little bit by narrowing my corridor.
01:46:29.682 --> 01:46:33.206
[SPEAKER_01]: um, and up in my tempo a little bit.
01:46:34.127 --> 01:46:34.327
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
01:46:34.648 --> 01:46:38.612
[SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't reward that for a one to one.
01:46:39.233 --> 01:46:47.583
[SPEAKER_01]: But by doing that, I was driving a little bit more G force because I was hitting the turn a little bit faster.
01:46:47.763 --> 01:46:48.704
[SPEAKER_01]: Does that make sense?
01:46:48.824 --> 01:46:50.987
[SPEAKER_01]: I was getting mentally new turn.
01:46:51.487 --> 01:46:53.850
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm just going to look up that for people for
01:46:53.830 --> 01:47:20.833
[SPEAKER_01]: context so we got tempo at 83 turns per minute and that's great all right this is this is another amazing realization for me and you know Russ would he we used to we played a bunch of games with carve where he would shown send me a video of someone and it would be an instructor of course instructor training one of the courses and says pick the ski IQ and without getting a long story
01:47:20.813 --> 01:47:24.560
[SPEAKER_01]: two, three max either way no matter what the scale.
01:47:24.920 --> 01:47:40.749
[SPEAKER_01]: The same way is I can pick, I can now pick a skier's tempo only because I've had this tool and I've been training it within two or three and that's incredible where we come from a world of having really no idea what our tempo is.
01:47:40.809 --> 01:47:42.552
[SPEAKER_01]: You know we got it, I want you to have a
01:47:42.532 --> 01:47:50.422
[SPEAKER_01]: Kind of like a, you know, World Cup Slalom, it's a little quicker than, you know, a, a, a, a, a gator second, but that's 60 turns per minute.
01:47:50.782 --> 01:47:59.854
[SPEAKER_01]: So coming back to the tempo, 83 or 84, I'm always around that on a given pitch on personal best.
01:47:59.874 --> 01:48:10.227
[SPEAKER_01]: It might go a little bit higher up to 90, but yeah, you're so driving, kind of full circle back to a tip that's actually not a metric that has helped me.
01:48:10.207 --> 01:48:19.904
[SPEAKER_01]: is picking up that tempo a bit and it's not because it rewards that as a metric it's because it made me get a little bit more lateral acceleration in there or G forces.
01:48:20.425 --> 01:48:24.372
[SPEAKER_01]: Car of course it because it made me hit that new turn a little bit quicker.
01:48:24.953 --> 01:48:28.620
[SPEAKER_03]: Have you seen this one of Joe Duns his tempo?
01:48:29.461 --> 01:48:30.382
[SPEAKER_03]: 120.
01:48:31.043 --> 01:48:31.985
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, okay.
01:48:32.085 --> 01:48:32.946
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
01:48:32.966 --> 01:48:33.407
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
01:48:33.687 --> 01:48:34.328
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
01:48:34.529 --> 01:48:35.009
[SPEAKER_01]: He's great.
01:48:35.029 --> 01:48:36.291
[SPEAKER_01]: I watch his YouTube stuff.
01:48:36.311 --> 01:48:36.512
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:48:36.952 --> 01:48:37.193
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:48:37.253 --> 01:48:38.234
[SPEAKER_03]: That shows awesome.
01:48:38.615 --> 01:48:44.584
[SPEAKER_03]: But like, that's what Matt Graham, like the mogul, you know, the guy from Australia.
01:48:44.784 --> 01:48:45.165
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:48:45.505 --> 01:48:46.727
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what he's kind of.
01:48:47.315 --> 01:49:12.647
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's the what he would say is promise slow to medium for him in the bum that's like boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom
01:49:12.627 --> 01:49:18.995
[SPEAKER_01]: Whistler moguls without being able to jump in a real mogul line, like a zip-a-lock, like a zip-a-lock.
01:49:19.195 --> 01:49:26.043
[SPEAKER_01]: And I had the opportunity very late in the season to quickly jump in one, and it was one run.
01:49:26.844 --> 01:49:28.586
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was my best run of the season.
01:49:28.626 --> 01:49:33.632
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think I was 120 or 130 turns per minute in there.
01:49:34.613 --> 01:49:36.255
[SPEAKER_01]: You can call me out on that.
01:49:36.235 --> 01:49:38.919
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, let's see, we've got 130.
01:49:38.939 --> 01:49:40.281
[SPEAKER_01]: 130.
01:49:40.441 --> 01:49:51.257
[SPEAKER_01]: So that, it really drives important metrics in moguls, a tempo, and you need to be in a rut line or a manufactured course to get that.
01:49:51.598 --> 01:49:57.166
[SPEAKER_01]: And I actually think that calves should increase it from eight turns to at least 12.
01:49:57.647 --> 01:50:01.112
[SPEAKER_01]: Too many people can bluff their way through eight turns.
01:50:01.092 --> 01:50:03.315
[SPEAKER_01]: and they can blow out out and then blow out.
01:50:03.396 --> 01:50:13.090
[SPEAKER_01]: Like we want, you know, I think, you know, on a a carving turn, you take up a lot of the hill, but a short turn or mogles, I think they should push it to 12 turns.
01:50:13.711 --> 01:50:15.334
[SPEAKER_01]: So another funny story.
01:50:15.434 --> 01:50:17.878
[SPEAKER_03]: Can I just tell you, you know, what's the Matt Graham?
01:50:17.998 --> 01:50:18.839
[SPEAKER_03]: So Limpian level.
01:50:19.580 --> 01:50:20.582
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:50:20.602 --> 01:50:21.243
[SPEAKER_01]: Gold medal.
01:50:21.724 --> 01:50:22.044
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:50:22.124 --> 01:50:23.546
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:50:23.566 --> 01:50:23.927
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, he.
01:50:24.667 --> 01:50:29.132
[SPEAKER_03]: Guess his turn tempo 170 180 very close 169.
01:50:29.933 --> 01:50:30.454
[SPEAKER_03]: That was it.
01:50:30.474 --> 01:50:31.295
[SPEAKER_03]: I saw him.
01:50:31.355 --> 01:50:53.560
[SPEAKER_03]: I was there hint attacks into talks that the mogul slope there and that's not even the steepest one but it was on a section that I remember so where I got my high ski IQ for mogul as well the bumps were compressed closest so you had to go turn turn turn turn so it helped you the environment was there and you but if you go to like
01:50:54.215 --> 01:51:01.491
[SPEAKER_03]: They're big, long you're going to be doing like, yeah, probably like 60 turns per minute, so to because you
01:51:01.893 --> 01:51:03.655
[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, the bumps are spread out that way.
01:51:03.675 --> 01:51:05.257
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a really, really variable.
01:51:05.277 --> 01:51:06.899
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not, it's not rhythmic.
01:51:06.959 --> 01:51:08.081
[SPEAKER_01]: So a funny story.
01:51:08.121 --> 01:51:10.624
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, I'll just go back to three weeks ago.
01:51:11.025 --> 01:51:13.568
[SPEAKER_01]: And you already mentioned his name, Riley, Riley McGlashon.
01:51:14.048 --> 01:51:17.853
[SPEAKER_01]: So we were, he was one of the coaches here and we were doing some skiing together.
01:51:18.594 --> 01:51:22.259
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is a fun story because it shows the fun in skiing.
01:51:22.279 --> 01:51:25.723
[SPEAKER_01]: We're up there kind of training early one morning before we're meeting the groups.
01:51:25.703 --> 01:51:30.791
[SPEAKER_01]: And basically, we're talking about boot skiing and we are like, oh, we both do that.
01:51:30.871 --> 01:51:31.692
[SPEAKER_01]: We both like that.
01:51:31.773 --> 01:51:35.018
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know if you boot ski or people out there, but it's great fun.
01:51:35.338 --> 01:51:44.753
[SPEAKER_01]: So we got to the top of the jersey cream lift and he had Nina there and asked Nina to take his ski so he could boot ski all the way back wasn't that far, but back to the restaurant.
01:51:45.093 --> 01:51:46.716
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was kind of feeling left out.
01:51:46.696 --> 01:51:53.968
[SPEAKER_01]: But fortunately, one of the guys on the chairlift pool took my ski, so Raleigh and I boot ski down to the restaurant.
01:51:54.069 --> 01:52:03.665
[SPEAKER_01]: My point is that, you know, that is where carve thinks we were doing short turns if that makes sense.
01:52:03.685 --> 01:52:09.615
[SPEAKER_01]: Because our feet were, but the tempo, you know, was between 130 or my feet,
01:52:09.595 --> 01:52:14.541
[SPEAKER_01]: fastest was, and I'll have to pull this up, but I don't know when my phone is, but it was 190.
01:52:14.581 --> 01:52:22.350
[SPEAKER_01]: And of course, you don't have the swing weight of the seats, just the boots, but and you only need aid of them.
01:52:22.390 --> 01:52:24.713
[SPEAKER_01]: So you get the poles going really quick and you do that.
01:52:25.014 --> 01:52:26.175
[SPEAKER_01]: But super fun, right?
01:52:26.235 --> 01:52:27.857
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, there's something else you wouldn't say.
01:52:27.877 --> 01:52:29.839
[SPEAKER_03]: So I want to be got those snow blades.
01:52:30.440 --> 01:52:30.760
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:52:30.780 --> 01:52:32.903
[SPEAKER_03]: Probably go hack this the short turn.
01:52:33.608 --> 01:52:33.948
[SPEAKER_03]: thing.
01:52:34.249 --> 01:52:36.211
[SPEAKER_01]: You wouldn't get the G force because it wasn't it.
01:52:36.251 --> 01:52:49.105
[SPEAKER_01]: We, yes, so even though I was at 120, it was between 116 and 125 and he was the same ski IQ because you, you don't get all the identical.
01:52:49.605 --> 01:52:52.488
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, and if you had snow blades in the bumps, would that help?
01:52:52.929 --> 01:53:03.480
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think you could turn your feet really quickly, but you haven't got this big lever out front of you for
01:53:03.460 --> 01:53:15.271
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, tempo, go and do some boot skiing and all of a sudden you'll easily be able to do a hundred turns per minute and go, okay, all I need to do is kind of do that with skis on my face.
01:53:15.791 --> 01:53:16.552
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it makes sense.
01:53:16.872 --> 01:53:17.332
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:53:17.473 --> 01:53:33.467
[SPEAKER_01]: It's ski, ski IQ in short turns isn't rewarded at all by tempo, but it's just ways we can manipulate the tool to get different outcomes on the snow, which helps our versatility and adaptability.
01:53:33.447 --> 01:53:46.579
[SPEAKER_03]: that 83, that turn tempo, if you know you're in there, you're going to have to be turning your feet fast enough, you're going to have to set the edge and it holds so then you can get it across and do it again on the other side.
01:53:47.082 --> 01:53:50.826
[SPEAKER_03]: if it's not grabbing, then you'd turn tempo, and they up there.
01:53:51.287 --> 01:54:07.405
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I sent you a shitty phone video, sorry, if I'd use that word, on to you of one of a pretty high scoring run, and that tempo would have been around 83 or 84.
01:54:07.965 --> 01:54:10.508
[SPEAKER_01]: And I tell you why I know, because,
01:54:10.488 --> 01:54:21.128
[SPEAKER_01]: I was skiing on a pitch where you would be surprised at how tuned into you are on your tempo, on given pitches, on a consistent snow surface.
01:54:21.969 --> 01:54:27.720
[SPEAKER_01]: It's incredible how repeatable your tempo is when you do a lot of training.
01:54:27.700 --> 01:54:28.781
[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
01:54:28.801 --> 01:54:30.323
[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
01:54:30.343 --> 01:54:33.147
[SPEAKER_03]: So we've sort of covered the short turns.
01:54:33.227 --> 01:54:36.430
[SPEAKER_03]: We sort of went into the mogul tips a little bit there.
01:54:37.151 --> 01:54:45.001
[SPEAKER_03]: Basically, if you don't have a zip-aligned course, you're kind of, you're going to be a little bit.
01:54:47.283 --> 01:54:52.830
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you're going to be blocked a little bit on how well you can do
01:54:52.945 --> 01:54:58.535
[SPEAKER_03]: So you need the bumps to actually kind of push up and down on you a little bit and it would you would you agree with that?
01:54:59.357 --> 01:55:05.047
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, so it's it's all driven by tempo weight release G force and edge sim right?
01:55:05.067 --> 01:55:14.143
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, you put your feet pretty close together You don't get you don't get you get hardly any edge angle in that don't even worry about anything like that It's about
01:55:14.326 --> 01:55:16.389
[SPEAKER_03]: Tempo's being a World Cup bump skill.
01:55:16.429 --> 01:55:17.411
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that's it.
01:55:17.431 --> 01:55:18.372
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the signature.
01:55:18.392 --> 01:55:31.072
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yes, and carve hadn't told me this, but looking at my own schools and then jumping into a rut line and a manufactured professional mogul course and all of a sudden bang straight over 170.
01:55:31.833 --> 01:55:36.300
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a Tempo driven weight releases in there, which is pressure.
01:55:36.280 --> 01:55:38.867
[SPEAKER_01]: GeForce is in there and Ed Sims in there.
01:55:39.107 --> 01:55:40.371
[SPEAKER_01]: So really it tempo.
01:55:40.611 --> 01:55:41.173
[SPEAKER_01]: You've got to be good.
01:55:41.193 --> 01:55:45.965
[SPEAKER_01]: You've got to go fast and stay in your line and that's going to drive your best results in bumps.
01:55:46.246 --> 01:55:51.199
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, of course, there's a lot of improved I like that that is the center line.
01:55:51.600 --> 01:55:52.703
[SPEAKER_01]: Because
01:55:52.683 --> 01:56:14.015
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, broad brush here and I've been out of Australia for a while, but many countries around the world, including Australia, you know, we learn to get in the bumps, sticking to a rut line and do the rut line, and it's really good for your skin, because it comes more down around athleticism and foot speed without fancy.
01:56:14.035 --> 01:56:19.703
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, my time in Canada, they buy us towards this
01:56:19.852 --> 01:56:46.602
[SPEAKER_01]: round a bump line and you know there's pros and cons to both and in my opinion having three or four different ways to have options down the bumps is the right way to go but what you lose by having a round line all the time is foot speed and tempo and that natural
01:56:46.582 --> 01:56:51.048
[SPEAKER_01]: it's set on Matt Graham or whoever it was, which is a World Cup skier.
01:56:51.549 --> 01:57:06.168
[SPEAKER_01]: Is there opportunity to select a different non World Cup mogul line and push around sub-seignatures and drive some things in there probably, but you know if you're going to start somewhere with moguls, I think that's a pretty good one.
01:57:06.208 --> 01:57:14.800
[SPEAKER_03]: How fast can you ski through these bumps and keep it together?
01:57:15.235 --> 01:57:29.472
[SPEAKER_03]: It'll be cool the day when Carve then recognizes zip line, like you're doing what's going you as a zip line style, and we're going to use a free style, free ride, mogul run, differently.
01:57:29.512 --> 01:57:32.836
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, look forward to that day.
01:57:34.058 --> 01:57:38.543
[SPEAKER_03]: We've talked for a long time here, but it hasn't felt
01:57:39.350 --> 01:57:40.391
[SPEAKER_03]: long for me anyway.
01:57:40.531 --> 01:57:43.714
[SPEAKER_03]: I've really wanted to have this chat with you for a while, Mark.
01:57:43.774 --> 01:57:45.336
[SPEAKER_03]: You're a wealth of knowledge.
01:57:46.177 --> 01:57:48.860
[SPEAKER_03]: I really hope there's some great takeaways for people.
01:57:49.020 --> 01:57:51.582
[SPEAKER_03]: I know there's a bunch for me already.
01:57:51.642 --> 01:58:01.272
[SPEAKER_03]: Is there anything you wanted to close out this chat with or remind us or, you know, we're both into our teaching, is there?
01:58:01.312 --> 01:58:02.553
[SPEAKER_03]: Would you wrap this up?
01:58:02.573 --> 01:58:09.120
[SPEAKER_03]: Would you have a summary message for the
01:58:10.720 --> 01:58:15.066
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's a great way to ask me to finish, so I obviously didn't have any prepared for that.
01:58:15.546 --> 01:58:29.024
[SPEAKER_01]: But I would step back from a lot of what we've been talking about and remember that what we're trying to do out there when we're with others or certainly when we're teaching is to instill the love of the sport.
01:58:29.745 --> 01:58:32.509
[SPEAKER_01]: And that isn't all around.
01:58:32.489 --> 01:58:36.095
[SPEAKER_01]: performance, which has kind of been most of our conversation today.
01:58:36.155 --> 01:58:41.463
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's about, you know, our philosophy within the PSIC is an adventure.
01:58:41.683 --> 01:58:44.367
[SPEAKER_01]: Making an adventure, all of those bits.
01:58:44.728 --> 01:58:51.358
[SPEAKER_01]: So there might be times where you're not working on performance, because it's not the right thing to do.
01:58:51.338 --> 01:58:57.607
[SPEAKER_01]: fun, safe learning, you know, kind of hit all the bits and that philosophy.
01:58:58.007 --> 01:59:21.160
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess the other one that we slightly touched on that we didn't is some of the off-piece stuff, you know, and again this, I don't want this to sound like a sales pitch, but you know, the big mountain program and it's not relative at all hills, but it certainly is here at Whistler or some of the mountains
01:59:22.355 --> 01:59:37.815
[SPEAKER_01]: We've had more feedback on that pathway and we're talking hundreds of people that have gone through this now that is And these are all ski pros and many of them are level three or level fours from, you know, Canadian organizations or a world and
01:59:37.795 --> 01:59:47.485
[SPEAKER_01]: overwhelmingly what I'm blown away back is this is the best course I've ever taken because it's kind of like you were saying what do I get out of this?
01:59:47.565 --> 02:00:03.381
[SPEAKER_01]: We take these incredible scares you know and put them in an environment that they can just there's so much low hanging fruit and what we're talking about with expert traversing and expert side sleeping and how to navigate entrances
02:00:03.361 --> 02:00:06.267
[SPEAKER_01]: and decision-making and consequential terrain.
02:00:06.788 --> 02:00:17.009
[SPEAKER_01]: So as much as we've been talking about performance, step back, have a broad picture about instilling the love of the sport and folks out there.
02:00:17.470 --> 02:00:20.195
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a dance with the mountain and that includes the whole mountain.
02:00:20.556 --> 02:00:23.462
[SPEAKER_01]: And the off-piece and the big mountain program.
02:00:23.442 --> 02:00:25.346
[SPEAKER_01]: is part of that as well.
02:00:25.686 --> 02:00:36.827
[SPEAKER_01]: So just kind of balancing out, you know, where definitely, most of our focus has been and on carve and the instrument panel and there's more to skin than just this.
02:00:37.007 --> 02:00:38.129
[SPEAKER_01]: It's an incredible tool.
02:00:38.490 --> 02:00:40.353
[SPEAKER_01]: And I encourage everyone to use it.
02:00:40.373 --> 02:00:45.703
[SPEAKER_01]: It's been amazing shortening that feedback loop for me, but it's not everything.
02:00:46.207 --> 02:01:04.198
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, it may be sort of think of how carve do have their little circle of sort of skiing and you know you've got your short turn, your moguls, your powder, your parallel, all these different sort of turn types in there, it's it's like that.
02:01:04.853 --> 02:01:31.755
[SPEAKER_03]: but you should also probably another piece of the pie, which is a percentage of your ski season that is just pure fun, that is like a no social aspect that you're doing it for that, because humans just need all these different parts, I think, to really be totally happy and if fulfilled, I'm getting a bit as a tarot care, but I see where you're coming from,
02:01:32.360 --> 02:01:39.901
[SPEAKER_03]: And I guess the good messages here, there's a lot of people that get into carbon get narrowly focused and that's all they're worried about is next year.
02:01:39.961 --> 02:01:46.639
[SPEAKER_03]: I need to get out of 1, 4, 9, and I need to crack 150 to be happy when, yeah, there's.
02:01:47.294 --> 02:02:10.973
[SPEAKER_01]: skiing if we go back before that it was all about enjoying the mountains and yeah and you know and just to flip back and forwards them the joy and enthusiasm in people's voice when you've just worked with them and they go that's my best ski like you ever is amazing so I'm not taking away from from that at all and I think on Carv
02:02:10.953 --> 02:02:18.231
[SPEAKER_01]: a huge amount of low hanging fruit with carve is to help some of that community aspects of the app.
02:02:18.672 --> 02:02:26.110
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I know this season but the season before I spent quite a bit of time in Europe and Switzerland and I would actually
02:02:26.090 --> 02:02:33.561
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, try and meet up with some of the high ski IQ skiers on that mountain.
02:02:33.581 --> 02:02:35.464
[SPEAKER_01]: Zamat, Chavinia, etc.
02:02:36.085 --> 02:02:37.567
[SPEAKER_01]: And I couldn't find them.
02:02:37.587 --> 02:02:43.035
[SPEAKER_01]: There was no way in the app that could sort of show permission base, but help me
02:02:44.146 --> 02:02:53.335
[SPEAKER_01]: spend time in a community with similar likes or help me navigate that mountain or find those runs where those skiers will get out.
02:02:53.435 --> 02:03:14.035
[SPEAKER_01]: Now listen I track them down because of the ski world small and you know I know you and you know that and so that certainly helped but I think that community aspect of driving car of people helping support people they can really help with
02:03:14.251 --> 02:03:20.959
[SPEAKER_03]: cap off the segment here I would totally agree and I'm pretty sure that's they're working that's a big focus for them as well.
02:03:21.419 --> 02:03:31.471
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah Mark, just really appreciate your time, expertise, and the way you explain things, you can you can tell you you really think about it before you sort of spit it out.
02:03:31.511 --> 02:03:39.820
[SPEAKER_03]: So I appreciate that because the listeners I want them to have a great
02:03:40.188 --> 02:03:58.551
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you for that, and mate, hopefully we get to ski, we've never skied together, we've met in Whistler briefly, but yeah, I'm looking forward to the day, we get to go ski and I can go, yeah, check out one 70 something on the ski IQ.
02:03:58.936 --> 02:04:00.360
[SPEAKER_01]: Well thank you for having me Tom.
02:04:00.380 --> 02:04:08.183
[SPEAKER_01]: It's been a pleasure and I'm a skiing nerd and I love talking about skiing and if you know, if anyone's coming to whistle, get a hold of me.
02:04:08.544 --> 02:04:10.711
[SPEAKER_01]: I love skiing with people and new people.
02:04:10.851 --> 02:04:11.894
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, next.
02:04:11.914 --> 02:04:12.456
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.