Legends & Lost Stories of Skiing History

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[SPEAKER_00]: skiing has some really interesting stories in its past.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And on today's big picture skiing podcast episode, that's what we are going to delve into and find out more about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I think when you visit somewhere new, say I'm going to a new ski resort or a new ski town, one of the things I love most is finding out about what makes that culture, that community, that place special and unique.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And a lot of how that's shaped is from its past.
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[SPEAKER_00]: the influential skiers that used to ski there, or visited there, or built some type of infrastructure, perhaps it was the first chairlift.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All those things, so to lead to making that place unique and that place, that kind of place you want to come back to and love skiing at.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So today's episode, I found someone, and his name is Blake, and his better known as old bald skier on Instagram, you should go check him out, you'll find out some great stories today from him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I was intrigued by his way of short form storytelling on Instagram about some influential skiers, ski races, free skiers, as well as some fun, interesting facts like how we got the green circle to black time and designation of ski trail difficulty.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a really cool story you'll find about there and even down to like how bananas
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[SPEAKER_00]: how we ride cheerlifts today and not just tea bars and surface lifts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I guess this podcast is a story telling one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope that it encourages you to perhaps take a cleaner interest in your own resort or perhaps your favorite resort or or skiing history in general.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ask questions of people that came before you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what was it like?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why did they, why did their runs get built this certain way?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why are we skiing with this type of style today?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Who
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[SPEAKER_00]: who are the figures we are standing on the shoulders of before us to help us get to where we are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this is one really sort of dear to my heart.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love skiing history.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love finding out about what happened before me because that's definitely shaped how I am, how we all are as scared today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I hope you enjoy this episode of the Big Bitches skiing podcast where we take a look at some stories from skiing history and how they've influenced where we are today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Blake, how did you get into skiing history?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Was it something you stumbled upon or a passion from an early age?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's kind of a cool story that comes along with that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So my buddy Steve, who actually owns the ski shop that I'm in right now in Thunder Bay, it's called the ski has to this family started this in like 1963, his dad's or this 1963.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so he's been around skiing his whole life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he knows skiing better than anybody, probably, you know, well, definitely better than me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe he loves skiing more than me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And anyway, he was at the Calgary ski show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he was dealing with a rap at the Calgary ski show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this rap was taking over an account from their senior rap and Steve was saying, like, do you know who your senior rap is?
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, gosh, she's so wicked.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's Lily Morrison, who's not Lily Henry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, okay, yeah, we know Lily and they're like, yeah, but you know, she was in Maltese for Mingo with Glenn Plague.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: well who's who's Glenn Plague and he told me that story and it like it it kind of made me not angry but like it just blew me away because it like I mean I grew up in the 80s and 90s and like Glenn Plague was the man Glenn Plague.
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[SPEAKER_01]: like Scotch, Schmidt, like those guys were the guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And like Maltese, Lomingo, and Blizzard of Oz, those were the movies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And to think that there were these super influential skiers that weren't known to the current generation of skiers kind of bothered me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I thought, okay, if that's the case for these skiers,
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[SPEAKER_01]: these guys who are in the industry, I must be missing some people as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's kind of where I got into like, well, let's talk about like the most influential skiers of the last century, because we didn't just wake up here with fat skis and carving skis and amazing technology, how did and culture, how did we get here?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's kind of kind of how I got down and into that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and we live in an age now where you can take that idea.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't have to wait for some TV show or the radio station decide to do something.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can take it on yourself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And because that's how I found totally that you had the post on Instagram and by the way, old bald skier is Blake's handle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: but you had this post about the crazy connox, and it was just really in 90 seconds you kind of did this great little piece on them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Before 1975, not a single North American skier at every podium at a World Cup downhill event, but that all changed with Ken Reed, Dave Irwin, Dave Murray, Steve Obworsky, and Jungle Jim Hunter, but you probably just know them as the crazy connox.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I knew some things about them, but then being reminded of the kind of the steps,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it's really important.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's fascinating finding out these things that kind of got us to where we're at.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's, that was an eight part of your passion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you're totally like going into those guys for me as well, because I'm Canadian.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The crazy canucks were like, you know, I grew up with these guys, but not really knowing who they are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, like, ste-pod boarsky and cannery specifically.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Those guys are, they were household names, but I was like, literally, they were on TV all the time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: skiing or not you knew where they were but I was it wasn't really until I did this series that I really got to know like what they accomplished and and you know Like can read being the first North American I'm just Canadian North American to win a like a World Cup event That's that's probably a bigger deal than then we can really appreciate right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe we should start there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you're like, okay, I've got to, I want to take on this, this sort of job of bringing some of this history to, to more people, you start researching and you do this, this bit on, on the canucks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, what, what did you discover about them?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, so it actually, it didn't start with the conox.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It started with with Stine Ericsson, who was like, Katek, you know, he's kind of like that you will call them that like the grandfather of modern, the great grandfather of modern modern day skiing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I didn't start with him for any particular reason other than I was like, well, where would all of this stuff have started?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, like found Stine Erics, and I got to learn about him, and then it kind of like moved into, into, into, you know, Franz Klauber actually from Stine Erics, and I went to Ed Lincoln.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the reason for that was I made a mistake in the post and people corrected me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that was really cool, too, because I'm like, oh, yeah, I didn't know that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And like you said, like, I'm just some guy who's like, you know, I'm not a TV, not produced on TV.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have like a network behind me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just researching this stuff and throwing it up on, you know, on on on the computer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And
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[SPEAKER_01]: making a video and putting it up on Instagram and I'm making mistakes and it's cool when people correct those mistakes and you learn about a guy like Ed Lincoln and then people are like, what about what about this guy and that it's kind of like it's been almost organic in that way where people have just kind of, you know, suggested, well if you're going to talk about him, talk about him or her.
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, or these this group of guys, you know, like, like the crazy canucks and then you get in a crazy canucks and there's, there's a whole bunch of you know, it's just like, okay, well, I can't just talk about one crazy canucks and then I got to talk about this out of what and then, and then people are, yeah, it's, it's been a really interesting journey and a fun thing to do on on the off season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you'll see you later in
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[SPEAKER_01]: in the spring, like that's when I'm kind of doing these and they kind of fade off in the summer as I get to do the summer, summer, or five, but yeah, it's cool have to see how everything kind of more is together like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you started with Stein and I'd never heard of Stein Erickson until I had moved to Dea Valley to work as an instructor once he's there and he's pretty deep, you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, what did you learn about this guy, you know, being the great grandfather, perhaps?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, why is he the great grandfather of skiing?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So like, you know, when Simon Erson was born, he was born like the 20s.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was 1927.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was born in Norway.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Skiing back then was nothing like we have today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Skiing back then was basically it was ski jumping.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, and that's what he was kind of getting into.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then they started doing ski racing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was more like slalom type racing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was much different from what we have today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And skiing got into, got into the Olympics at some point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He ends up by winning the Olympics and kind of opening skiing up to the masses.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because it was probably, I don't know this for sure, but it was probably one of the first times that the skiing skiing and the Olympics was televised.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So people could actually watch it in some way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's in newsreels.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so he kind of burst onto the scene and he's like, oh, this is the best gear in the world.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's, okay, Steinheirson, best gear in the world.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, and, and, and, and Sun Valley, contacts and it says come here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We want, we want, we're gonna, we're gonna put you up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna put you up at residents and you're gonna come here and you're gonna ski and you're gonna ski with movie stars and people are just gonna be around you and we just want you to be here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you have to do your one o'clock front flip every day and and grow and in it grew ski culture around him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was kind of like the the nucleus that that like our North American ski culture got it kind of grew grew around and I mean
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[SPEAKER_01]: it's kind of cool that it came out of Sutlay with Sun Valley too because Sun Valley is on its own.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of a little nucleus because I'm sure as you know from one of my posts like Sun Valley was where the first chairlift was was built like the first chairlift, not like one of like the first chairlift.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, so it's St.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Erickson moved there and, you know, and ski culture just kind of was created around him because we're talking now and like the the 50s and 60s and, you know, they're, there's new new clothing, new fabrics, colors, and he just, you know, he just sort of like pushed skiing into like a new modern era.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's just a, he's been, he's been sitting there
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there was that quote like Billy kid said like the women want to ski with him and the men want to ski like him like everybody you know you remember that that old school style of like your knees were locked and like you know like that was Steine Erxen started that that was that was Steine Erxen's major influence one of his major influences on on ski you know
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[SPEAKER_00]: He then did he work for some like did he help the ski school?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to remember.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, he basically like revamped the entire ski school.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they had him over there to like ski and be whatever and then also like, yeah, we want you to teach skiing and he made his own skiing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like he had his own skiing style and he had this thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was called like the delay shoulder turn.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't I don't know what it is because it's hard to see like what
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's when ski media will say kind of took on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you couldn't really see what a skier before him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Look like other than like kids with their toes pointed in and it holds up in the air.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he created his own ski academy style of teaching as a lot of these really influential skiers, skiers did.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's a really common thing that you'll see.
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[SPEAKER_01]: throughout ski history are guys that are are winning the Olympics or doing really well and ski racing take up residents at a certain ski hill ski resort mountain and they kind of make their own their own ski ski style because they you know like I don't know what the the body is in in Australia but like in in Canada it's a CSIA right and you know the CSIA
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[SPEAKER_01]: wasn't around.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't a thing, and you know, so they, you know, all this stuff had to be created.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There was no book.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There was no, it was no YouTube videos.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You want to learn how to ski.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You went to, you went to Sun Valley and you hung out with Stine Ericsson.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, and later on, later on, he went to Dear Valley and did the same thing with them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he took over their ski school.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's where he ended his, and his career was at the URL.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm sure there are probably people listening to it like, well, you know, I know in Australia, anyway, the Austrians had a huge impact influence on many nations outside of their own and how, you know, that that style was was influenced.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, there are these other people that that Stein Ericsson turn with the kind of the body really facing to the outside and you know, the feet close together and sort of that that angulated over angulated look and the really, you know, fled out politely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was totally him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And those those long like sort of almost cross country, you know, old holes, you know, like things, yeah, it's the way where we've come to now, like if you just took a photo from then and a photo from now, they don't even look like the same sport.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like other in the fact that it's two poles and two sticks on your feet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not the same sport.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's wild how far away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you had a real slinky kind of like, you know, a little bit retraction.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He sort of stalled in me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The sound that footage you had in that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a move, like, very similar.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I, I, I, I, I've never had the opportunity to try out the equipment from back then, but I, there's no way I can make it look like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So from Stein, you then started researching Franz Klammer, is that right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so he was a super influential skier as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was in the 70s, but what he did was one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the way that he, what he like clubbered, they called him the king, Kaiser, like the king.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like he, he clubbered people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody could really keep up with him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, unless he fell, it was having an off day or something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: ski culture, but he changed skiing as a sport, by
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[SPEAKER_01]: carving.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he, he, he actually widened his stance in his turns and carved around.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he was using his inside, uh, and, uh, upill and downhill ski and using his, his, his edges to try to carve around the turns.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you have to remember like these skis back in the day here like, you know, they're too 40, I think, like just massively long and straight.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there's a little
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the only way to really control them before this was if you need them wanted to do a turn, you would just kind of pivot your feet and your ankles and just kind of skid around or turn, put your skis in the direction you want to go, and then try to dive into that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Franz figured out to, if you widen your stance, keep your your edges engaged, and allow them to guide you around the corner.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you're not going to lose that speed and you know, as an instructor like when you're teaching racing and you know, you see that snow coming up and we're teaching in slow on or GS or whatever and you're like, look at that's that right there that that snow on the air that speed you're losing you're losing yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's there's a control factor with all that as well, but yeah, he was he was the guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was the guy who who brought that in and that's why he won the the stabbing six Olympics.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, and he was the guy that the crazy canucks were not only chasing, but we're copying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They were emulating him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So from so from him and it's is he Austrian German.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, somewhere there somewhere there we're going to get I'm going to get a lot of crap for that one, but yeah, he's he's either he's either the German German or the fun German and they can't remember a pitch of what it is, but I think he's Austrian yeah, I think he was Austrian oh geez, I shouldn't know that but.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's, and I think that's probably a good point here because the reason I, you know, brought you on and I wasn't, you know, finding you're not like a university major in history, you know, skiing history.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is, this is something you've sort of found interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, and I think even there, just like, like we just mentioned, it makes you then go, oh, I don't know about this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to go find out about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and find out more things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you've got to give Blake a bit of leeway here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I also don't know some of this stuff as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, for the lives from this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope, hopefully, from this, people then like start checking their facts or researching and finding out all this cool stuff about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and like I said, I mean like it was it was a story like it was it was people not knowing who these who some of the the ski gods are that made me realize I'm like, okay, we Something needs to be done about this like he said, I'm just a guy who's figuring figuring that out and then when people do correct me things happen like Who like did you know who invented the Lincoln loop like where the Lincoln loop came from?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why was it called a Lincoln loop?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know
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[SPEAKER_01]: and wasn't in town.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm sitting here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I look, I'm sitting here beside, uh, let's say this is Steve's, um, um, I was padded.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's Seth Morrison.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm, uh, you know, Seth Morrison, that was his trick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That, the Lincoln loop, and I didn't know where that came from.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, it's really cool when people chime in and be like, hey, Franz Glammer is actually Austrian.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I know he is, I, I just looked it up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He is Austrian.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The all streams will be happy to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Been shielding.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Stayed in there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I think I want them over because I call them the fun Germans, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we've got France, Climb, and making, like I guess, pretty an impact on carving turns to keep speed, be cleaner, and win races.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then did that lead you into, because obviously you're Canadian, the canots.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so what was the other lap there was the overlap there was, you know, Franz Clomer was he's a little bit old and then the crazy canox and the, you know, the can read won the first World Cup and I think it was 74 shoot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's another one I should know off the top of my head.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, he competed against Franz Clomer in the Olympics.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, and there was that that overlap and they were called the crazy canucks because, you know, they just kind of let it all go, like they were just, they were going for it and can read basically in an interview.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, you know, I don't really get it why they call us the crazy canucks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we're just doing what Franz Klommer is doing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're just copying him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, we're carving around turns where we're staying on the edge of control.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're diving down at the end of the turn when we should be and you know, just nobody else is doing that yet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that was, so that was like, that was the thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was, France calmer was a major influence on the next,
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[SPEAKER_01]: The crazy connox, essentially, I wouldn't say they dominated in the late 70s and early 80s, but they were there and there was no North American there before them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they were just on the scene and people were wondering, where do these guys come from?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where do these kids come from?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was essentially like, well, just just doing what you guys are doing, but better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because and in some of the thing that caught my eye in some of the footage of these crazy canucks, is it, is it, did look like, like, there's that one where the one the guys is in a wheel, like inside of a tie out, like, I guess I'm just referring to some of the maybe the crazy training, so he would make himself dizzy and then get out and try and get in like a dryland
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't really know what the idea behind that was, but yeah, that was jungle gym hunter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he grew up in in Sean of in Saskatchewan, which, you know, I don't expect you to know Canadian geography, but Saskatchewan is like, it's the great planes, okay, Kansas Saskatchewan.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And North Dakota Saskatchewan, they're basically basically the same.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm probably getting a trouble with saying that too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, he had nowhere to train, and there was no ski hill nearby and he wanted to build up his muscles and build up his ability to ski.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he had to remember there wasn't really even a Canadian ski program.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was like, he was like, how do the first?
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[SPEAKER_01]: part of the first Canadian ski team, especially for downhill anyway, and, you know, he'd had no way to train, so he would like get his dad to drive him down, the Saskatchewan roads, in a talk on top of his truck, like he'd strapped himself down the top of the truck, in a talk, and he built a starting ramp and a hay loft and in his dad's barn,
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, but he was right in the sense that like being a good downhill or a lot of it is being strong and being able to, and being able to outlast your competitors, you know, you're going down the mountain that 120 kilometers an hour for a minute and a half, you know, you're going to get fatigued.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you can beat that fatigued out, and if it means that your throwing
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, so this, so can you go through who are the the crazy connoch members?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so I'll go through the ones that everybody essentially know, because there's no like, you know, you are the crazy connox, you know, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's no like group of guys are the crazy connox.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you got like I'll kind of just go through like the ones that everybody that everybody kind of knows so there's there's jungle jim hunter so he that's it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We just we just talked about And then there's there's Dave or when so Dave or when's from from Thunder Bay which is where I'm at right now And then there's there's Ken read so he was
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, some people will say that he was like the leader of the crazy canucks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would I would probably push back on that and him and he would probably agree to speak.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, they were they were group and there was no necessarily leader.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He may have been one of the more successful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Steve Podborsky and then Todd.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh shoot, what's his name?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Tite Tite is the guy who had that really, he had a really bad crash.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember that, the video you posted that about him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, like super, super bad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They will come back to you, I'm sure, or I'll look it up as you keep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and one of the reasons that I don't, and sorry, and Dave Murray, and Dave Murray was a wicked dude.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's one of the only crazy, he's the only crazy kid up that unfortunately has passed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And but he, he was one of those guys that started his own ski school.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He did it at Whistler and, you know, he's got, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's got followers basically.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like people, people absolutely love this guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Incredible and purple scared and just an awesome and awesome dude.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so yeah, these guys, so it was the first group of guys and Todd kind of came kind of came later.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was a younger kid and he kind of excelled in the 80s.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but this this core group, uh, because actually I'll quickly say it, when I search that I'm chatting with you, it's like no, uh, he doesn't come up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't come up, but it's funny if you look at these, some of the interviews of the crazy canucks, and they'll say, well, who's who's the craziest and, and they'll say, Todd, they'll be like, oh, I was saying it was, it was Todd, but, you know, and, and, and, you know, and, you know, and,
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[SPEAKER_01]: some people will even drop a jungle gym hunter off that as well because he kind of was only on the team with the rest of the guys for like a year and then the other guy's kind of like, you know, Steve, Steve Baborsky, Dave Irwin, Dave Murray and Ken Reed kind of overshadowed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: jungle gym and so then there was this other just group of of guys and yeah that's that's sort of those were those were the core those were the core guys really yeah so as so he is a Steve he he actually won the World Cup downhill
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[SPEAKER_00]: like overall title.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That which, I mean, I think for like an nation, like Canada, who obviously, you know, you have snow, but in that era, you know, that there's no France climber yet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's an historical, that type of person, you know, Stein came from from Scandinavia.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I guess for Canadians, I don't even know if Americans that must have been quite
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[SPEAKER_00]: quite a huge morale boost and young people going, oh wow, we've got we've got the ability to compete on the world's Asian win.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh huge, huge, because I mean, before this, before any North American wine, before Ken Reed was actually like stepped on to the scene and wine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, you know, you have to also imagine someone like like Nancy Green.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so she was she was a huge influence
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[SPEAKER_01]: People up until then were like, one, oh, this is a North, sorry, a European sport, like North Americans, and that's kind of the way that European's thought, like North Americans can never, can never beat us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Europeans used to think that, there was no, there was no good skiing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: North America, you know, but yeah, you got mountains, but like you can't, you can't really ski them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, this group of guys come on the scene and they start winning races and then it's just like, okay, it's open.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, you've got, you know, like we were talking earlier about the Australians or, you know, they're,
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're on the scene in moguls and we got Japanese as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's no longer like a sport that's, you know, that's just for the Europeans.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now it's, yeah, it's, it's global essentially.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but that impact, you know, it's just like you when you see the first double back with something is someone's like, oh, well, you can probably do a triple.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, North Americans can win in the World Cup, yeah, we're also going to take it there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So now, I don't want to jump around too much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you mentioned something important then Nancy Green.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I think.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go because she actually fits in a little bit in the history before that and you did some research on Nancy Green.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm really, really familiar.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know she was a champion and extremely competitive, always wanting to, you know, either best gear on the album.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what did you learn about about Nancy?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So again, when you talk about household names in Canada,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nancy Green in the ski industry in the ski world is so ubiquitous that you just assume that she's that the name's always been there okay like there's there's entire ski leagues and ski programs and you know essentially mountains named after this woman.
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[SPEAKER_01]: started by this woman in her husband and she was like the best female skier in in the 60s and she grew up in in Roslin which is at which is at NBC so Red Mountain grew up skiing that and I don't know if you ever ski red but like it up steep and it's hard.
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, and so she grew up skiing on that and she was she was skiing with the boys and she was trying to keep up with the boys and, you know, she would be the most of the time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so she gets on the Canadian ski team and is like, it's like winning.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's winning the Olympics.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She was, she, or was that she, she essentially almost broke her ankle a couple of days before or a couple of months before the, the, the Olympics in the 60s and, uh, got up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and won the slalom and came second in G.S.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, think about that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Think about having an almost seasoned ending injury and then getting up and winning and event at the Olympics.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's something that really shows so much is in the mind right like, yeah, sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You've always got to be good, but the mind is saying, we're gonna do this despite they're being this critical injury.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and what she did like after after skiing, I mean, not only like did she do well, she was a young, she was a young kid, basically.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She was in her 20s when she was when she was winning all this stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so she retired from from skiing and then it just stays super involved in in Canada, not only in sport, but she was actually a senator in Canada as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So suit she was involved in in politics.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, she's she's also she helps start with slur mountain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you ever heard of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and and and and son peaks as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So her herner has been started essentially started these these two mountains.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And she had like it just an enormous influence on on skiing, on ski culture, on the ski industry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But then was also just just an amazing role model for for young girls and
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[SPEAKER_01]: and beyond.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And for for young boys as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, she basically might let the boys know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, yeah, we can beat you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's still called the Nancy Green program like that early early starting race program in Canada.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember you know being at Silverstar and Sun Peaks and on the weekend you see this all these little kids in Nancy Green vests.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nancy Green Nancy Green ski club is all across the country.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So from Newfoundland to British Columbia up to the UConn, like anywhere that there's a ski hill, a mountain, you know, at Nancy Green is essentially there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And at least in the town, and I don't know exactly where the funding comes from, how it works.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, it's just, you know, some kids learning the basics of skiing and ski racing specifically.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and just kind of love it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, it's huge.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's absolutely massive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's literally countless number of kids have, a countless number of kids have learned how to ski because of because of Nancy Green.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I don't know if you can really say, you probably can't say she's the most influential skier, but she's pretty damn close.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for Canada, like, yeah, I mean, impacting a huge amount of people from an earlier age, which I think is so important in building people up to that national level.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So then after Nancy,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Where did you, is that when you started going, okay, well, not just people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I really enjoyed learning about some of the other things like Where, like, the history of why we have screen circles, blue squares black divers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was cool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I want to hear about that one, all the chair lifts history of chair lifts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So where do you want to go?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's start with the Mickey Mouse thing, because I think that was probably that kind of threw me for a loop.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember how I found out about it, but like I say in the poll, oh, it's like for me, and you know, you see a lot over in Europe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've only skied in North America.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And for me, like the blue green circle to double black diamond, it's just going to system that's always been around and I just thought that's the way it was and when I found out that it was actually Walt Disney that came up with that system, I was pretty much
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[SPEAKER_01]: mind-blowns.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, one, Walt Disney is like, when I think of Disney, I think of California, and I think of Florida.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But sure enough, yeah, he was trying to start a ski resort in California, probably not far from Lake Tahoe, and he needed a way to designate the runs, and he came up with, yeah, green circle for easy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: blue square for for more difficult and then it was just black diving for most difficult and then double blocks came on a little bit later and then the triple blocks just for just for fun we're throwing in there and yeah before that it was kind of like a mismatch of of does it just run names was it I mean like did they even
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, they had, you had no, no, they had like a, you know, a designation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So like I think green circle was was still or was a blue square camera, but I think it was green circle was like still the easiest the easier run and then there was like a yellow triangle, but for for more difficult, but it at another resort it could have been like just just the run name you just had to know like they would call like the easy run the bunny hill the bunny run yeah and the more difficult one and the most difficult one they call it like, you know, like
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[SPEAKER_01]: Devil's Dive or something like that and you just had to kind of know and there was no way it was now You just like oh green circle get take the kids down that and it's like oh I'm gonna go try that this afternoon And this one doubles dive double black dive and let's do it
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so in founding, you know, can funny out more about that stuff?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I always thought, oh, there's gotta be some rule book of like a blue where has to be within this degrees and has to be certain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's not only, there's not only, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I couldn't find anything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a number of governing bodies and there was not one that said, like, yeah, like you said,
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[SPEAKER_01]: from zero to 12 degrees is a green and then from 12 to 18 is a blue and an up from there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's totally just like you find okay, that's the easiest rod and you think like anybody can snow plow down that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, we're going to call all that all that green and then that's the hardest rod on the mountain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you have to be a super expert to be able to do it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, that's a double
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, I say in that in that post and like yeah, it's possible that that double black could have been a blue at rebel stoke because we've all done that right but like what this would be like this would be a green at that man like why is this a black like this is this is kind of ridiculous and you know and there are like
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[SPEAKER_01]: The main at Kimberly's, let's the the longest lit ski right in North America is actually has its own kind of designation that I haven't seen at too many other places.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's actually a blue square with a green circle in the middle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that means it's like it's kind of in between.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not really blue square, and it's not really green.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'll tell you, there are parts on that run that could be again, black, green, and blue threat throughout the whole run.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it must be tricky, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because, yeah, because some places, something gets called a black just because of this 20-foot section that's, you know, the rest of its green,
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[SPEAKER_00]: but you wouldn't send a beginner down there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's really tricky and I guess figuring that out because I know using carve that they draw on the maps and go, okay, well, that one's been designated as a blue or a red in Europe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're starting to read the pitch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: this low bright and so you're getting right so you're getting actual numbers on it and of course it's different because half of it might be 12 and then the other half might be like 28 yeah and so I'm not sure yet with that you know I think they're breaking into sections but you can see which sections are exactly what and you know you look at this black run and it's like 18 degrees it's like
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm, you know, I don't know if that really is a case, but yes, I found that fascinating when you said, no, there's no like if I started a ski resort now, I don't have to adhere to blues being this and whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I even know like at some places, they actually even deliberately make like the blues squares a darker blue.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like that's not just a blue that's a dark blue.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh really?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, which other is great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think that's and they've been like greens because then if because we like like he says a great Asian of the colors, yeah, because because go back what shows that because he realized
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so people will pick up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We can pick up on colors and shapes a lot more quickly than we can pick up on description.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I could flash a card to your face just really quick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And in like a millisecond, you'd be able to know what the shape was on that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If it was a simple shape, like a square or a circle, you'd know the color.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But if I was like, you know, I had this like convoluted designation and I flashed that to you real quick, but I don't know what you just did there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he recognized that from being in animation and that's, again, like, it's really, it was really interesting to learn that a guy like Walt Disney, which I mean, it's funny to say those two words in the same sentence, skiing and Walt Disney, but he had, again, an enormous influence on our industry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the the the the designations that we're all so aware of came from him drawing pictures with Mickey Mouse.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fascinating.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So then then then ski lifts, ski lifts and but not as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The net is bananas.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The net is tell us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So this one was this one again, but kind of blew my mind and there was two things that blew my mind and this one was that You know, the ski lifts came from like moving bananas around and the other one was at the first ski lift like chair lift in the world was actually North America We talked about this a little bit earlier where it was in it was in Sun Valley, Idaho was the first first lift And the tower is still stand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't I don't think the lift is still in operation, but there's they still stands and another at another mountain
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, so there was this guy with his name, James Kern, who worked for Union Pacific and Union Pacific.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have to kind of roll our brain back and think about the 1920s and the 30s, and, you know, before Amazon and Facebook and these huge massive conglomerations or corporations that we have now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And those back then were the railroads, so the railroads were huge, so Union Pacific
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[SPEAKER_01]: The companies that basically ruled the world and knew you know it all that stuff right and so union Pacific on this On this mountain and they wanted a more efficient way to get their their riders and a cooler way too Right cuz this were we're also talking about marketing They wanted a cooler way to get people up the mountain cuz before this people were using you know tea bars were kind of around rope toes for the thing and you know Sometimes they would have like you know the core strong characters or ever to get people up
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, uh, so let me just jump in that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So because I, uh, yeah, I'm just trying to make sure I'm dead and run my mind.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So before it's drag lifts, yes, so it's not like for slip because I guess in my mind, I'm like a lift is a, um,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, is anything that drags you up, but we're saying that this is the first shell.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The first time that a skier like was was carried above the ground, you know, yes, it's like how cool is this like we're taught like this has never been done before.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No one's thought about doing this before, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like we've been we've been up until this point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've been moving rocks in mining and a lot of ski lifts came from from old mines and old mining equipment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and bananas, bananas, from one place to another.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, this guy, James Keren, who worked for Union Pacific, you know, was tasked with converting a hook, like a banana hook.
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[SPEAKER_01]: to put a seat on it and turn it into a chairlift and then install it at Sun Valley, which again, union Pacific owned and boom, the chairlift was born and it's like literally skiing was never the same.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I mean, I don't know, I love surface lifts, like I love tea bars, but I also really love an old center pole chairlift, you know, I love a high speed quiet and a gone love and yeah, I mean, it wasn't always there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like again, like a, you know, Stein Ericsson brought, you know, ski culture and skiing to what it is, you know, more to what it is now and and at the same time around the same time as Stein Ericsson was around the the ski lift was was invented it's it's totally boggers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because I suppose then it opens up different, you know, where you can put a lift because now Yeah, I'm thinking like a, you know, it was a pretty good system just dragging people up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it has pauses, you know, like I know in Australia, Parasha has a lot of surface lifts and they run at the wind, whereas the chairs shut down when we get the sort of weather systems coming in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's
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[SPEAKER_01]: Although I'll tell you, okay, so there's this defunct ski resort ski hill in Thunder Bay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's called Big Thunder and you're allowed to kind of hike around there and in the winter if you're allowed to you know people go up there and ski and I was up there once.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was skiing down and I was in the old T-bar area and there was like a board walk that they had built over a cliff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you could use the T-bar to go over over this cliff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, whether there's a whale, there's a way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it's a lot easier just to pick you up here and drop you off up there and not have to worry about those rocks whatsoever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, the chairlift opened up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, Torrent main that wasn't really accessible that easily.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you could always walk up there if you wanted to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the chairlift really made it so you could do that and, you know, the chairlift morphed into into the gauntlet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you're now you're in close.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, the detachable quads and detachable lifts came around and, you know, the bubble lifts and now we got heated seats and,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's, it's, it's, did you find out, did you find anything out about, you know, when lift companies first sort of, you know, like you think of Palmer and yeah, it's like the big Austrian names.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Did, did your research take you into that yet?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't gotten there yet, but it's definitely something that's interested me because you know, we've got like, now we have a lead near Pama, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think lead near also took over what was, was it, uh, not overmire.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the, that's the clothing company, but, uh, Doppelmire.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Doppelmire.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so they took a, like, late near Pama bought Doppelmire and Doppelmire and got their technology and, and whatever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think, you know, I haven't, I haven't researched that, but it's, it's, it's one that I want to get into, because I think it's really, really interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, and again, that it was really interesting to know that it wasn't one of those big companies that we know of.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The ones that we see on the side of the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the first, the first, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because, you know, like the first elevator was invented by an elevator company that's still around.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like Otis, Otis elevators, like that's, they're still around.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like they started elevators.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, we didn't, it's, it's not the same way for this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was just some guy with these like, yeah, we could, we could put a chair, a chair on that, but people up, let's do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So at this point, you know, what would you say some things you've really learned from now taking this interest in in ski history and sort of going back and and learning where things came from?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what does it really taught you?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, that's a really heavy question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I've been skiing for as long as I know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I think my parents put me on skis the first time at that three.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So skiing for me isn't like a, it's not a pastime.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's like a vocation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's, it's, it's an obsession.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I might, my son will even say, in my, my son has said that I like skiing too much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And though he likes skiing, but he doesn't like skiing as much as I do I guess, but and so it's it's just it's always always been around and where, where, like how I how I got this involved in it and how I got this, um, kind of obsessed with it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't I can't really say, but
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[SPEAKER_01]: The thing, some of the things that I absolutely love about skiing is like, you know, the culture of skiing, how it brings people together.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is, this is true.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not making this up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I had two kids, and I told my wife for only having two kids, because you can only fit for people on a chairlift.
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, being a kid of three, so I'm the middle-middle child, there was, you know, if we were all skiing together as a family at five, which we rarely days may lumped it with ski, but there was always one kid left out or, you know, there'd be a three and a two and there'd be a fight of who's gone with mom and, you know, in this and this sort of thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, you know, it skiing has, you know, influenced a lot a lot of by decisions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and how I got there, the things that I learned through this has been super, super interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think probably one of the more important things that I've learned along the way of doing this, going back to that ski culture thing is talking about the nucleus of a different ski culture
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think one thing that we need to recognize is, you know, we can maybe say there's like a trifecta of skiing and what, like a triad of skiing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One is like the ski community.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One is your local or your regular regular mountain that you go to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And those two things can't exist really without, and sometimes it happens at the ski, at ski help, but they can't, can't exist
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[SPEAKER_01]: And your local ski shop is it's it's I don't like maybe a bike shop would be an equivalent or something but you there are things that you can get and advice that you can get it at a local ski shop you can't get.
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[SPEAKER_01]: anywhere else.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can't go on Amazon and say, well, that boot is the color that I want, and it's in my price point, put it in my cart and check out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because, you know, I've been following your boot fitting obsession on your podcast here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I can tell you that one of the reasons why I Steve who owns the ski house and I are so close is because I actually came in and I bought a pair of boots.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I did just that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like those boots are green.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're 250 bucks and I want them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they didn't work for me and Steve spent.
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[SPEAKER_01]: hours, punching these things out and making them work for me, and we developed a relationship basically over these boots.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's just not something that you can get from a big box store even.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like in the States, they've got tick sporting in Canada, we've got sport check.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You probably have something similar in Australia, you know, I can, I can come into the ski house in Thunder Bay and tell Steve, I'm like, okay, I'm going to be going to travel stoke in March.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What, what skis do you think I could I should bring?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he knows my skis, he knows my skiing ability, he knows what skis I have, and he can set me up with with the right, the right equipment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He can make sure that, and if there's anything that goes wrong, he's there as a support.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He does all the procuring between me and because I'll tell you what, man, I break a lot of stuff and that's the truth and it's that kind of touch that you're not getting from these big box stores or from online retailer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, some of these online retailers are local ski shops by going in and having somebody walk you through that process is invaluable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It can really save you from having a terrible time out of the mountain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I have a friend who's a ski rep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's now working for atomic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's got a...
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[SPEAKER_01]: a theory that he's like, you know what, shops shouldn't have boot walls.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Get rid of boot walls.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Put the boots up like up above or people can't really see them because you don't want somebody coming in and you know doing that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want that boot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hell, I'll take it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You want you want them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, you need boots sit down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's measure your feet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's figure it out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, you let go of the back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, price point, flags all out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, boom, boom, boom, boom.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we'll line you up and we'll get you the boot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's that's right for you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's just it, is that person, that bootfitter, that the owner of the ski shop, the kiddie works at the ski shop, they're there to make sure that you are getting what is best for you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they want you and your family to enjoy the sport as best you could.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Steve has a program here in Thunder Bay which is wicked so he has I think he's got 1500 pairs of kid's skis now and he rents them out seasonally so you can come in like with your four-year-old who's just learning to ski rent a pair of skis for 150 bucks with skis and boots
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then next year, so you bring them back next year by, you know, you don't have to buy another pair of use another 150 bucks and maybe they're using poles now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it comes up all the way up until like, you know, almost 16 years old he has, you know, his skis are that like, and one he's doing that because it's a service he's providing to his to his community, but it's also like, you know, schemes not not that cheap like it's, it's, it can be, it can be quite expensive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and having the ability to come in and for a family of if you got two kids for 300 bucks and just get boots and skis and not have to deal with them in the in the off season, not have to worry about selling them on Facebook and making sure you're getting really good equipment the next year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It really helps with that with that affordability and get sure about there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, it's it's one that's that's the thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the thing for me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That um, you know, kind of brought it around and I was like there's a lot more to To skiing than You know, just watch and guys go down and you know, yeah, yeah, you gotta say some two big flips and whatever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's so much more behind that
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[SPEAKER_01]: and behind that is, you know, your local ski shop and the people who are running your mountain, who are holding your chairs for you, who are grooming the hills, who are going out and cutting down, doing the glating, like all that stuff, you know, what we do, the enjoyment that we get,
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[SPEAKER_01]: couldn't happen without this this group of people, you know, and yeah, you could just love the love this sport more than maybe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think what what I'm getting from that uh ski stories and sharing these ski stories so that these things don't get forgotten.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I know whenever I go to a new ski town, a new ski resort, for me, not new as in it's, it's built new.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I am fascinated by going into a shop or, you know, those cool pubs that have history and there's all this stuff on the wall and I love hearing the stories as about those places.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know this place?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Village idiot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been a rebel so few times, but I don't know about if I don't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you haven't been the village idiot, you haven't been a rebel still.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've the one that came to mind was in in, uh, uh, in red, red mountain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, raptors.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, raptors.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think that's what I think fascinating to everybody, these stories, the history, what built upon what to get us where we are now, chair lifts, starting from, you know, the being of carrying bananas to places.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, and, you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: innovations in ski style from all over the world and, you know, influential figures like Nancy Green, I think finding out about those stories is so interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I want to urge you to keep like finding out these more interesting things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe I'm going to point out now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Get on Instagram, follow app, old bald skier, and comment on some of the videos or even maybe you should make one what should be the next topic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And pin it at the top and people should put in, I wanna, like, what about this?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this is where I know a fascinating story looking to India is totally.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, because that's what I love about your channel like, like, you know, I sort of know of these canoxes, crazy canoxes, but, you know, what are some other little facts that we don't know about?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Where did ski run difficulty designation?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll just come from, like that's, yeah, it's really cool, so you're in this unique space and being interested in feeling in the blanks for us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So thank you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and there's more guys coming up like I know people are are, you know, they're like, well, what's going on with glam play and Scotchmit guys like, you know, like Shane McConkey Canadian Canadian kid, by the way, you know, like what what's going on with you says that like there's there's so many there that need to be need to be explored and they're they are they are coming, but I'm just just a regular dude, you know, making this up as I go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you haven't changed that, it's like I'm giving you some props here that the editing to take the photos and you sort of bring them to life and cut it out in 90 seconds.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know that is really difficult, but there's this kind of like an art and something to that that I think is good for ourselves when you have to make these videos you go what really, what can be cut, what's really interesting as opposed to having 60 minutes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it can be tough to figure out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I appreciate you mentioning the photos because they take those, take a little bit more time than you might think.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's their side note.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's some nuance to it for sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I could pump out with so many more of these if I just kind of, maybe dump it down a bit, but I kind of want to just, it's fun for me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I want people to be entertained and educated at the same time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So thanks for mentioning that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: yeah, no problems.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, I guess as we wrap this up, I would say my hope in reaching out to you and bringing this up is I hope that maybe encourages people to go to their local ski shop and talk to the, you know, the guy that started, hey, why did your dad start this ski shop?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, maybe find our little bit of history in your area or if you're, you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: in not just the skiing down the mountain, but finding out where did this place how did it start, why is it done this way?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I think it just ties you further into the fabric of skiing and that's what I love about, but I do love about skiing so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I have a tendency to ramble and I know you're trying to wrap up here, but one of the things that I was chatting with Steve about, like I was like, when did this shop start and how did it start?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's actually kind of a funny story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was his dad and his dad Bill Scullion and his business partner, Bill Sheen, owned a men's clothing store and they put in the front window, they put a display of men's clothing, but then had like skis there as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And people were coming in about the skis and not the clothing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's the something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's start a ski shop.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then, you know, here they are like 60 some years later, still running a ski shop.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like stuff like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's just sort of a cool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We think we know the direction life is going to take us in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, once you start doing that on the world interacts with you, it often tells you, no, hang on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Your calling is to do is to do this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, any final, any other final words you would say before we, um, yeah, before we finish this up,
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, but I do want to thank you for giving me the opportunity to do this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is nice to know that people are engaging with this and absorbing it because it's nice also when people are commenting and I can kind of, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: back and forth with them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is really nice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I also do want to say like I said to you earlier, I found your channel this year with my kids.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was teaching them some drills and I found I found your channel and I found it really helpful to get the drills and I needed to get my kids from getting rid of a certain habit and getting into something else.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate what you do as
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[SPEAKER_01]: it's great and it's it's so great that we have these communities like YouTube and Instagram that that are used appropriately like that and You know where yes, I haven't fun with it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think yeah, and thanks for the problem me on today This was this was pretty fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I could I could talk to you, but it's can for another three hours easy
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's that's what this podcast is about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's it's so you can then sit in the car on the bus, you know, out on a walk and listen to a ski conversation, because maybe your wife doesn't want to hear more skiing chat with you, because you're like you and I, the two obsessed with suit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she'll fill get up in the middle of dinner if I'm chat or like at the end of dinner, buddy and I are just drinking beers chatting is really I'm going to get out of here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, cool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know that situation, so yeah, I'm sure a lot of the listeners do too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, thanks so much for your time and Yeah, keep putting those those great stories out there and thanks everyone else for for listening to the podcast